A guide makes me afraid to make a tulpa.

[Linkzelda]

Apologies if I was not clear enough, it's getting late here and while I do know it is a bit impolite to answer in such conditions I found less offense in this than not answering at all for the time being.

 

Hey, more power to you for putting in your opinion, and not backing down.

 

But something, if I may add, on circumstances of one being aware of the sense of liberation of what they can do with their mind while also considering the well-being of their tulpa—it’s not really too shocking for a person to create an ethical schemata of assessing the creation, development, and interaction of a tulpa in the first place. The scenario we were fixated on seemed to be dependent on how far we took out of context of a person not being able to do whatever they want with their mind for the sake (and this is for this circumstance) of flourishing development of a tulpa; almost like a person who had no competency to gauge their own subjective meaning of what is right and wrong (morally and ethically) in not just the reality they exist in, but also within.

 

Like OP who mentioned that they felt you took their statement out of context, maybe you took things to the extreme, and undermined any competency they had when it comes to them acknowledging that they can do whatever they want with their mind. And even if there were cases of a person being extremely negative towards developing a tulpa, and stagnating whatever chances of interaction that they may have with them, self-destructive acts seems to be a futile endeavor, especially if the person is aware that just going in a pit-pattering rage in their mind probably isn’t going to bear anything fruitful, is all.

 

"This is my mind, sure, I can do a lot of things but I can't do stuff that my tulpa would wholeheartedly disagree with, with her being and 'soul' (if you know what I'm saying)", I'd take my tulpa's position over whatever I'd do in the future because I, personally, genuinely care.

 

Seemingly heart-warming sentiment, but what if solely taking their position, for better or for worse, over your own ends up in circumstances that threatens your existence? Granted, we could just pull up how a tulpa would probably want to reciprocate for the well-being of everyone, but the premise behind what I’m quoting you is that, and this is me inferring the premise from said quote, mind you, whatever course of action you take in your mind will actually have detrimental effects that will have permanent scars on a tulpa if it ends up being an act of bad faith. But what if a tulpa is able to absolve from that sphere of thoughts you’re creating that’s just a part of that grandiose spectrum of your mind in general?

 

What would you do then if they see the construction of thoughts, belief systems, and such towards the fear of their well-being at risk without them even partaking in the stream of thoughts in the first place? They would probably be looking at their host’s doom and gloom at work, and it would probably be an act of bad faith for them to not acknowledge that their host is worrying too much.

 

Just an analogue on the tables being turned, and how contradicting it would be for either side to engage in self-destructing behavior in the first place. To emphasize my point, even if circumstances like that were probable, it may not be a pragmatic thing to occur simply because of the circular destruction that may ensue on who’s well-being is being at risk, and such. Though, as always, questionable stuff for sure.

[Thatrandomnerd1]

 

 

Like OP who mentioned that they felt you took their statement out of context, maybe you took things to the extreme, and undermined any competency they had when it comes to them acknowledging that they can do whatever they want with their mind. And even if there were cases of a person being extremely negative towards developing a tulpa, and stagnating whatever chances of interaction that they may have with them, self-destructive acts seems to be a futile endeavor, especially if the person is aware that just going in a pit-pattering rage in their mind probably isn’t going to bear anything fruitful, is all.

 

I feel like this whole thread has deviated from what I'm originally trying to say.

Let me explain if I shall:

The guide made it seem like i was too young to have the right to make a Tulpa. My context of saying it's "my mind" is me saying that i have the right to make a Tulpa if I wanted too. I'm not trying to be some sort of beliefs nazi saying that "it's my mind and my Tulpas will have to deal with it." That's not what I'm saying at all.

 

Hopefully this cleared it up. (Yes I know I'm bad at explaining things)

[Linkzelda]

Oh, I knew we were deviating somewhat. I just thought it was an interesting discussion on what-if scenarios, and the chain of events that may ensue on the moral obligations we all create for ourselves with tulpas, as well.

 

I didn't think of you as a beliefs nazi, or anything like that, but I guess the clarification is useful for those that thought otherwise.

[Guest Anonymous]

 

Hey, more power to you for putting in your opinion, and not backing down.

 

But something, if I may add, on circumstances of one being aware of the sense of liberation of what they can do with their mind while also considering the well-being of their tulpa—it’s not really too shocking for a person to create an ethical schemata of assessing the creation, development, and interaction of a tulpa in the first place. The scenario we were fixated on seemed to be dependent on how far we took out of context of a person not being able to do whatever they want with their mind for the sake (and this is for this circumstance) of flourishing development of a tulpa; almost like a person who had no competency to gauge their own subjective meaning of what is right and wrong (morally and ethically) in not just the reality they exist in, but also within.

 

Like OP who mentioned that they felt you took their statement out of context, maybe you took things to the extreme, and undermined any competency they had when it comes to them acknowledging that they can do whatever they want with their mind. And even if there were cases of a person being extremely negative towards developing a tulpa, and stagnating whatever chances of interaction that they may have with them, self-destructive acts seems to be a futile endeavor, especially if the person is aware that just going in a pit-pattering rage in their mind probably isn’t going to bear anything fruitful, is all.

 

 

Seemingly heart-warming sentiment, but what if solely taking their position, for better or for worse, over your own ends up in circumstances that threatens your existence? Granted, we could just pull up how a tulpa would probably want to reciprocate for the well-being of everyone, but the premise behind what I’m quoting you is that, and this is me inferring the premise from said quote, mind you, whatever course of action you take in your mind will actually have detrimental effects that will have permanent scars on a tulpa if it ends up being an act of bad faith. But what if a tulpa is able to absolve from that sphere of thoughts you’re creating that’s just a part of that grandiose spectrum of your mind in general?

 

What would you do then if they see the construction of thoughts, belief systems, and such towards the fear of their well-being at risk without them even partaking in the stream of thoughts in the first place? They would probably be looking at their host’s doom and gloom at work, and it would probably be an act of bad faith for them to not acknowledge that their host is worrying too much.

 

Just an analogue on the tables being turned, and how contradicting it would be for either side to engage in self-destructing behavior in the first place. To emphasize my point, even if circumstances like that were probable, it may not be a pragmatic thing to occur simply because of the circular destruction that may ensue on who’s well-being is being at risk, and such. Though, as always, questionable stuff for sure.

 

Haha, thanks for bothering to answer to my poorly-formatted post then.

Of course, I think you're right in that case. I may have taken things to the extreme degree but that's what I've been trying to do with every newbie. Am I dead serious when I speak of tulpa-development and forcing? Not really, because if anyone acts in such a way, tulpamancy will be rendered to, well, an obsession before anything else. Which is quite unhealthy, but this hyperbole was merely purposed to make one realize how 'deep' tulpamancing is, and would prevent potential 'harm' to the tulpa. Yes, yes, I'm deviating from the topic but I found that principle quite interesting if anything so I was willing to discuss it for a bit.

 

Now to what you said in the second part of your post, what comes before anything is one's life and safety. I don't mean to speak of myself plenty but my tulpa told me that my life would come before hers. While I did take that with a bit of salt, I agree with her, in the end. Anything that threatens 'my' existence or 'her' existence overrides this principle though, as circumstances are to be taken in that case, and the "It's my mind I do what I want" principle is simply no more after crossing that limit. Of course, what you speak of is really heavily reliant on how a tulpa functions, but I'm speaking of younger thoughtforms that are weakened and in need of attention, sharing the 'mindpower' (sounds extreme I know). My message was merely meant to make OP realize the importance of a tulpa in taking decisions and that you cannot really neglect a young tulpa, not that he would, but hey, you see that mistake in plenty of what newbies do, with all due respect. Are there exceptions? Of course, and then your conditions do apply to them. At this point I'm really agreeing with your points mainly but I just thought I'd make that... "outlier" clearer than before. What happens later, I mean, what you speak of by "self-destructing behavior" is something far more deeper than the right to do what you want with your mind. I believe that a host's sanity and good mental health is essential, no, primordial overall. Not that tulpas should be neglected, and some of them could take a role in helping their host, but I just found that mentality to be kind of throttling to actual 'progress' with a younger tulpa.

 

Indeed, indeed! Questionable stuff for sure! Thanks, Linkzelda, it was really a pleasure discussing with you.

[Elvode]

I was searching through the forums looking for guides for research and i found one and started reading it. It started out good and informative but, then I got to an area where it had lists and descriptions of what people shouldn't make Tulpas. It said teens which automatically rules me out (I'm 15). Then it talked about you shouldn't make a Tulpa because you think it's cool or would be fun.

 

This has deterred me from making my own Tulpa. It also has given me the feeling that if I did make a Tulpa and told people about myself that they would think I'm stupid or not fit to have a Tulpas. This has discouraged me from this community.

 

Feel like I'm in a place I shouldn't be here in this community.

 

):

 

You shouldn't feel that way, in my opinion at least, my tulpa spoke to me when I was 10, he was sentient and vocal, we grew up together and there's nothing wrong with that, we'v been together for 13 years and without him I would have been lost during my teenage years.

No one can tell if other people are fit or not to have a tulpa, a tulpa is a companion for life and everyone has the right to experience it, a tulpa is always growing just like a person, developing new ideas, thoughts and developing it's personality even further, the possibility with possesion, it's very useful in some cases when you really need it.

It is fun to have a tulpa and it's important to have fun together while experiencing life.

To me it seems like there must be a special purpose for everything, I didn't have a purpose for my tulpa when he was created, he found his own purpose, creating a tulpa without a purpose or because it's fun doesn't make it wrong, cause they will like people find their place in the world and their purpose with you.

[Thatrandomnerd1]

 

You shouldn't feel that way, in my opinion at least, my tulpa spoke to me when I was 10, he was sentient and vocal, we grew up together and there's nothing wrong with that, we'v been together for 13 years and without him I would have been lost during my teenage years.

No one can tell if other people are fit or not to have a tulpa, a tulpa is a companion for life and everyone has the right to experience it, a tulpa is always growing just like a person, developing new ideas, thoughts and developing it's personality even further, the possibility with possesion, it's very useful in some cases when you really need it.

It is fun to have a tulpa and it's important to have fun together while experiencing life.

To me it seems like there must be a special purpose for everything, I didn't have a purpose for my tulpa when he was created, he found his own purpose, creating a tulpa without a purpose or because it's fun doesn't make it wrong, cause they will like people find their place in the world and their purpose with you.

 

*applauds* very inspirational my friend. Thank you for saying that. :D