Some random questions...

[Elvode]

It's not about controlling another personality, they control themselves, it's not time consuming unless you have other things to do the entire day everyday other than forcing.

Don't know if this is what you mean by Alexandra David Neel, can't remember the name of the writer who went to Tibet to explore the tulpa phenomenon and ended up with a corrupt one that was harassing people, to me it seems like a very very very VERY RARE case...

I've never heard of a bad tulpa other than that story or in creepypasta.

People with a none healthy mind can get a lot of help from a tulpa, they do a number of things that is good for the host.

I've been suffering from depression my entire life with panic attacks and what not, my tulpa have always been supportive and helpful, I've had him for 13 years and nothing bad have ever happened, I've seen a lot older tulpas and they are also very kind.

I don't see why anyone would worry about tulpas at all.

[kat2]

It's not about controlling another personality, they control themselves, it's not time consuming unless you have other things to do the entire day everyday other than forcing.

Don't know if this is what you mean by Alexandra David Neel, can't remember the name of the writer who went to Tibet to explore the tulpa phenomenon and ended up with a corrupt one that was harassing people, to me it seems like a very very very VERY RARE case...

I've never heard of a bad tulpa other than that story or in creepypasta.

People with a none healthy mind can get a lot of help from a tulpa, they do a number of things that is good for the host.

I've been suffering from depression my entire life with panic attacks and what not, my tulpa have always been supportive and helpful, I've had him for 13 years and nothing bad have ever happened, I've seen a lot older tulpas and they are also very kind.

I don't see why anyone would worry about tulpas at all.

At this point i see that you are totally in a deny position, would be useless to show you more documented or even warnings that budists gives about these practices.

 

Its like to play with pyrotechny. Ive been doing it all my life since 6yo. Ive been doing very dangerous tricks with them, because it was boring to just hear the doing "boom", we had to do something funnier and the same time dangerous. Just to give you an example... holding them in the hands and throw them in the last few seconds and exploding in our faces practically.

There are people who lost hands, eyes, been burnt and others injuries. Should i recomend to do these practices or even saying that is funny and really, really safe because i never been hurt and its all in your mind? Nope.

[Luminesce]

It is all in your mind.

 

The only people who have these negative experiences are those who believe they were possible, or believe they have little to no control over them.

 

Nobody in this community has these experiences, because the community as a whole does not believe in them. Only people who've come from more fear-mongering communities have ever reported such negative experiences.

 

The dark spirit stuff is all the same, that kind of thing never happens to anyone who doesn't believe in it. Or rather, happens quite often to those who believe it can and will, and who have dis-empowering beliefs that give away their control to their imagination.

 

If you have difficulty differentiating reality from imagination, or generally controlling your mind/thoughts, tulpas are not for you. Only irresponsible or mentally impaired hosts create "bad" tulpas. Or... Those who are told it is extremely likely, and believe it. We don't believe that here, and if you disagree, it is not safe for you to make a tulpa.

[kat2]

It is all in your mind.

 

The only people who have these negative experiences are those who believe they were possible, or believe they have little to no control over them.

 

Nobody in this community has these experiences, because the community as a whole does not believe in them. Only people who've come from more fear-mongering communities have ever reported such negative experiences.

 

The dark spirit stuff is all the same, that kind of thing never happens to anyone who doesn't believe in it. Or rather, happens quite often to those who believe it can and will, and who have dis-empowering beliefs that give away their control to their imagination.

 

If you have difficulty differentiating reality from imagination, or generally controlling your mind/thoughts, tulpas are not for you. Only irresponsible or mentally impaired hosts create "bad" tulpas. Or... Those who are told it is extremely likely, and believe it. We don't believe that here, and if you disagree, it is not safe for you to make a tulpa.

You seem to know a lot... can you explain me the Alexandra David Neel case and why is your word over buddhist lamas?

 

"The dark spirit stuff is all the same, that kind of thing never happens to anyone who doesn't believe in it. Or rather, happens quite often to those who believe it can and will, and who have dis-empowering beliefs that give away their control to their imagination. "

Is not just "dark spirits". You are saying that you must to believe in order to them to exist. And i think its very, very wrong.

My father had a "paranormal" experience in which a light entity told him to find his "partner" (not going to explain the background, too large), "go and find her" (almost like that, hard to traduce). He never gave a fuck about ghost, angels or paranormal stuffs. And i am a hell of serious about it. He doesnt need to lie to his very own family, does he? Nope. So if that thing happened to my father and he doesnt believe in that kind of stuff, why not negative entities harm people in the same way my father was helped?

 

"If you have difficulty differentiating reality from imagination, or generally controlling your mind/thoughts, tulpas are not for you. Only irresponsible or mentally impaired hosts create "bad" tulpas. Or... Those who are told it is extremely likely, and believe it. We don't believe that here, and if you disagree, it is not safe for you to make a tulpa."

 

Well, thats the kind of advise people need when visits this forums. What if they have those problems, but they really want to give a try for x reason, and they end with a hell of a psychiatric threatment because it awfuly failed.

What ive been saying was right, then.

[Luminesce]

I don't know, from what I've seen most people who started tulpamancy with pre-existing problems either improve, or don't. A schizophrenic either gains control over their thoughts, or continues having the same problems they always had. There has never been a case of a perfectly healthy person creating a tulpa and having it ruin their life, except in creepypastas. People who run into problems were already predisposed to those problems.

 

Anyways, you asked and I answered. I have no wish to argue or change your belief system, but if you ask for advice on how to not feel bad, I will do my best to help with my understanding. I didn't say spirits never interacted with those who don't believe in them, I said people who don't believe in negative entities don't really have problems with them. And though there may be exceptions, more importantly, those who do believe in negative entities, believe they are often around them, and believe they wish ill on them, are incredibly more likely to suffer from those negative experiences. The people who believe in negative entities are almost always the ones who have problems with them. Whatever your beliefs, I know that to be fact.

 

Maybe the answer is that you're lowering your vibration by thinking of all the negativity and inviting bad experiences subconsciously? That's generally what I've been told in my foray into new age spirituality. Positive thinking and empowering beliefs seem to make you somewhat invincible in that aspect.

 

You gave a "What if" for tulpamancy ruining someone's life, but we haven't really seen anything to prove that's a possibility worth fearing. Healthy-minded individuals will have no serious problems. Those with a history of depression or autism seem to almost always benefit. Schizophrenics differ greatly in their symptoms, some have done just fine while others simply added fuel to their delusional fires. I've not seen anybody come out worse than they were already likely to be, I've just seen people fail to grasp the subject and allow their imagination to hurt them. In people with intense mental problems impairing their ability to differentiate imagination from reality, not relatively healthy minded individuals. Even those suffering from depression and similar problems shouldn't run into too much trouble if they're well able to control their imagination. Although negative thinking often impedes progress and hurts motivation, I've not seen it create an "evil tulpa". They're part of your mind. They understand you as well as or better than you understand yourself, and a thousandfold better than any other human ever could. There's simply no reason for them to cause problems. They're in it with you, they understand your point of view and reasoning, and really they're shaped by a lot of those things too. A lot of tulpas are very similar to their hosts but with more preferred traits their host doesn't express for one reason or another, such as aspects of the opposite gender or "sensitive" feelings like love or happiness.

 

I digress. I don't know what the Tibetan monks experienced, just what I've experienced, and what a good majority of this forum has experienced. And I don't generally trust negative information handed down from ancient times as it tends to be skewed, and you can't investigate the legitimacy of the claims. The experience of those around me and myself in recent times is much more reliable. That's how I form my answers. If you believe otherwise, you're free to. If you think creating a tulpa will almost surely lead to bad experiences, then don't do so.

 

You just have to take our word for it if you want to make one, that they are not innately anything other than understanding and part of you. That nobody runs into problems that do them harm, with our beliefs. Or you can not take our word for it. But as things go, those who share our beliefs seem to have much more pleasant experiences. And those who refuse them and instead believe in disempowering, negative beliefs, often create that reality for themselves.

[kat2]

I don't know, from what I've seen most people who started tulpamancy with pre-existing problems either improve, or don't. A schizophrenic either gains control over their thoughts, or continues having the same problems they always had. There has never been a case of a perfectly healthy person creating a tulpa and having it ruin their life, except in creepypastas. People who run into problems were already predisposed to those problems.

 

Anyways, you asked and I answered. I have no wish to argue or change your belief system, but if you ask for advice on how to not feel bad, I will do my best to help with my understanding. I didn't say spirits never interacted with those who don't believe in them, I said people who don't believe in negative entities don't really have problems with them. And though there may be exceptions, more importantly, those who do believe in negative entities, believe they are often around them, and believe they wish ill on them, are incredibly more likely to suffer from those negative experiences. The people who believe in negative entities are almost always the ones who have problems with them. Whatever your beliefs, I know that to be fact.

Of course negative people will be suffering more easily an atack, because they DO open doors for them to come. Some entities feed with fear and suffering...

I do have experience with THAT.

 

Maybe the answer is that you're lowering your vibration by thinking of all the negativity and inviting bad experiences subconsciously? That's generally what I've been told in my foray into new age spirituality. Positive thinking and empowering beliefs seem to make you somewhat invincible in that aspect.

Yes all you want. Being positive it a very form of life. You can receive heavy atacks anyways:

You can be the most positive person in the world, but with some experiences you can go down, quickly. Like the story i will just tell you.

My plants were in bad state and i am not good taking care of them for some reasons. I went to a flourist (i think is called like that) and found a mature woman of about 60yearish, pretty well cared it seems. I talked with her a lot, more than u usually do with any person. She had some problems in her life ofc., but she handled them very positively and done with them. I also am impressed how positive she is, i am not joking, not remotely. She also knows reiki, she meditated and studied those kind of stuff. She also offered me to teach me. BUT, recently, she got an atack from her sister, who is in black magic and demon handling. You cannot believe how she was changing lately, and getting sick. She started to get a like a negative aura or impression, but never lost her positive thoughts. Her face got a tick in her right eye. She told me she was levitating at night... one day when i went to visit her SHE DIDNT EVEN RECOGNIZE ME. I insisted and then she remembered about me... she told me that she was not right and that i should come later in the week. I didnt come back since then and i hope she is okay, because i felt that she is the most positive and good person ive met out there... ill problably visit her soon.

 

So tell me, how can a positive person like that, go down like she did? Is she creating it with her mind? Nope. Those things do exist.

 

You gave a "What if" for tulpamancy ruining someone's life, but we haven't really seen anything to prove that's a possibility worth fearing. Healthy-minded individuals will have no serious problems. Those with a history of depression or autism seem to almost always benefit. Schizophrenics differ greatly in their symptoms, some have done just fine while others simply added fuel to their delusional fires. I've not seen anybody come out worse than they were already likely to be, I've just seen people fail to grasp the subject and allow their imagination to hurt them. In people with intense mental problems impairing their ability to differentiate imagination from reality, not relatively healthy minded individuals. Even those suffering from depression and similar problems shouldn't run into too much trouble if they're well able to control their imagination. Although negative thinking often impedes progress and hurts motivation, I've not seen it create an "evil tulpa". They're part of your mind. They understand you as well as or better than you understand yourself, and a thousandfold better than any other human ever could. There's simply no reason for them to cause problems. They're in it with you, they understand your point of view and reasoning, and really they're shaped by a lot of those things too. A lot of tulpas are very similar to their hosts but with more preferred traits their host doesn't express for one reason or another, such as aspects of the opposite gender or "sensitive" feelings like love or happiness.

Is this a lie?

or how could Alexandra David Neel' tulpas go wrong? does she had some mental issues or she was negative (i sotnrgly dont believe that if you read about her life)?

I digress. I don't know what the Tibetan monks experienced, just what I've experienced, and what a good majority of this forum has experienced. And I don't generally trust negative information handed down from ancient times as it tends to be skewed, and you can't investigate the legitimacy of the claims. The experience of those around me and myself in recent times is much more reliable. That's how I form my answers. If you believe otherwise, you're free to. If you think creating a tulpa will almost surely lead to bad experiences, then don't do so.

What if only people who had good experiences are posting? how can you know?

And that was my very first thoguht about tulpas... creating them accidentally when i am not ready for them. If i like a character and i am constantly thinking on it, lets make it short, doing the process of creating a tulpa accidentally but i dont want it. Yet something in my mind starts growing... i would fuck up, right?

You just have to take our word for it if you want to make one, that they are not innately anything other than understanding and part of you. That nobody runs into problems that do them harm, with our beliefs. Or you can not take our word for it. But as things go, those who share our beliefs seem to have much more pleasant experiences. And those who refuse them and instead believe in disempowering, negative beliefs, often create that reality for themselves.

Its okay to be that positive, i like it and i am not even sarcastic. But some people like me, just cant. I am not refusing your positive beliefs, but being critic about them. You can take my pyrotechny testimony, did i never been harm because ive allways thought in a very positive way about it? or when i did risky maneuvers with my bike in the wild streets (yep i like to bike at high speeds in the streets)? or i am just very lucky or blessed that i never took an extern agent to be harm? Ive also been in situations in where i could be dead, but nothing happened.There are who say that we create our own reality...

Thats why i wouldnt just play with my mind creating an entity inside my mind after all the testimonies ive heard along my life. I think its just as risky as me saying that its okay to do these examples i gave you. And also saying that "only a minority who refused my beliefs died in street accidents or got harm with pyrotechny".

Sorry if i make you think i am trolling, its my way to learn to be critic at everything.

[sushi]

In the case of Alexandra David-Neel, she was learning about tulpas in a completely different context from us. She was learning about tulpas from Tibetans who believed that tulpas were supernatural entities that sometimes turned against their creators. Apparently there is a folktale about a tulpa made in the image of a man who kills the man and takes over his life.

 

Basically, Alexandra David-Neel was taught that tulpas were something to fear, and that belief made it into something worth fearing.

[Adamaï]

Ok, you're indeed very, very critical. I was too. I read those little horror storys, just as you did, and was scared about it. But I tought "heck, like im living now, can't be good, I need to change something" and just started with it. Long story short, it all went fine amd I'm happy over what changed. And now to this ancient incident of this french woman who wrote the book. It was a quite different approch to a thoughtform than the modern one we use today, I'm not even sure if you can call those Tulpae. The point is: Toughts will always have the power to change a person. But toughts have just as much power as you gige them over you! That is absolutly what we are doing here in this forum: Let toughts allow to grow. But if you don't wnat this, you always can put out the shears and trim it to what you think is right (what is morally just outright bad, but you CAN). If you think that a tulpae can be evil, it can be evil (really really unlikely to happen tough). It is your head, your brain, your mind. If it is too much, pull the brake.

So, but why nobody (or nearly nobody), writes about a bad tulpa you ask? I'll just compare it with your example: Creating a tulpa is as dangerous as swimming. Most of the people got instructed, are swimming around and habe agreat time. Some didn't got instructed, but learned it with trying over and over again. But there is always that guy, who overestimates himself, swimming right to the middle of a lake. He thinks he hasnot enogh power to make it back and starts panicking, and makes it worse with his fear. (Ok maybe too much explaination) The point is, people drowned in soup, but do you now need to fear eating soup? Its just an everyday task, without much danger. In life you always are risking to get hurt, at every given moment.

[kat2]

In the case of Alexandra David-Neel, she was learning about tulpas in a completely different context from us. She was learning about tulpas from Tibetans who believed that tulpas were supernatural entities that sometimes turned against their creators. Apparently there is a folktale about a tulpa made in the image of a man who kills the man and takes over his life.

 

Basically, Alexandra David-Neel was taught that tulpas were something to fear, and that belief made it into something worth fearing.

 

Good point. But what if she didnt think about it like you are describing it? that woman was fearless, she was like superating things all the time. Still fishy to me. She created a friendly smilling little fat monk...

I completly understand your words and i think its valid.

 

Ok, you're indeed very, very critical. I was too. I read those little horror storys, just as you did, and was scared about it. But I tought "heck, like im living now, can't be good, I need to change something" and just started with it. Long story short, it all went fine amd I'm happy over what changed. And now to this ancient incident of this french woman who wrote the book. It was a quite different approch to a thoughtform than the modern one we use today, I'm not even sure if you can call those Tulpae. The point is: Toughts will always have the power to change a person. But toughts have just as much power as you gige them over you! That is absolutly what we are doing here in this forum: Let toughts allow to grow. But if you don't wnat this, you always can put out the shears and trim it to what you think is right (what is morally just outright bad, but you CAN). If you think that a tulpae can be evil, it can be evil (really really unlikely to happen tough). It is your head, your brain, your mind. If it is too much, pull the brake.

So, but why nobody (or nearly nobody), writes about a bad tulpa you ask? I'll just compare it with your example: Creating a tulpa is as dangerous as swimming. Most of the people got instructed, are swimming around and habe agreat time. Some didn't got instructed, but learned it with trying over and over again. But there is always that guy, who overestimates himself, swimming right to the middle of a lake. He thinks he hasnot enogh power to make it back and starts panicking, and makes it worse with his fear. (Ok maybe too much explaination) The point is, people drowned in soup, but do you now need to fear eating soup? Its just an everyday task, without much danger. In life you always are risking to get hurt, at every given moment.

You are trashing external factors and giving an example even less risky.

[Adamaï]

Yeah kinda wrote some shit down didn't I? Well all I wanted to say: It's (nearly) impossible to do it wrong if you're fit in the head. You always have a failsafe if it turns out horrible. Sorry for this super long post where I just didn't say anything.