Lucid Dreaming and Tulpa Forcing

[Luminesce]

Five years attempting to do something that could technically happen every single night, happening very poorly, short-lived and unfulfillingly a single time. I guess you could call that a success, but I call it four years and 364 days of failure.

 

What is so great about ordinary dreams is how unpredictable and weird and funny they can be. My lucid dreams turn out to be repetition of the waking day dreams I do, and so not nearly as interesting in not having that unpredictable nature.

 

I don't know what world you live in where lucid dreaming is akin to waking life, but it's definitely not so for... every other person I've ever heard accounts from? Only natural lucid dreamers ever say "It's not that great." People who have strived for years and met success usually speak pretty highly of it.

 

That being said, you apparently daydream constantly. I can count the number of daydreams I've ever had on my fingers. Also.. My dreams tend to be very boring, mundane life scenarios. You know what the most interesting boring, mundane life scenario I can remember was? Standing in line at Disneyland, on some spiral staircase, in which the dream ended as we got to our turn. That's about par for the course.

 

Now, I do have relatively interesting wait-why-and-how-did-that-even-just-happen dreams every long once in a while, like me and a bunch of "other orphans" sneaking out at night and taking a truck on a joyride two yards away where we ding-dong-ditched an old guy. But that's.. yet another type of occurrence I can count on my fingers. Most of my fully-formed dreams are just situations I may find myself in in real life.

 

Although in my periods of decent dream recall, even though my dreams are rather foggy or outright nonsensical fluff, I do usually get some decent insight into my mind's current priorities based on what I was thinking and feeling in them. A couple days ago I had a dream "where I was solving puzzles, that other people were also trying to solve but generally relying on me for." Quotes because that's literally all I know, I don't actually remember scenery. But that was essentially what I'd been doing for two days... Helping Twitch Plays Undertale accomplish anything at all.

 

But yeah, my dreams haven't earned their continued control of themselves. I'd take lucid control of every dream I had if I could. Sure, I have a few very specific goals for lucid dreams, but after those, I think I'd do a better job of dreaming than my brain does on its own. So many places to explore, landscapes to sculpt, infinite interactions to simulate, and an awful lot of time to practice stuff whilst asleep should I have that many lucid dreams. But above all, I just want to hug my tulpas. It's been too long.

[Guest Anonymous]

Melian and I have dream adventures like movies. The dreams that are "lucid" are not generally separate dreams. What I mean by that is this: I am dreaming, or Melian and I are dreaming, and at some point, it occurs to us that we are dreaming. We usually just let the dream play out as normal with out really changing much, like watching a movie. I am not sure if that is a true lucid dream, as we are not attempting to change much. It does tend to reduce the "scariness" of nightmare like dreams and takes away a little bit from our reactions to dream events (as we know they are not "real"). But we let the dream just sort of play out.

 

The truly lucid dreams we start out knowing the dream is lucid. Usually this happens when Melian catches me in that half awake state early in the morning. Yes, I can dream while awake or partially awake. I found something called wake induced lucid dreaming once, but apparently that has more to do with deliberately entering lucid dreaming from sleep paralysis. This is more like we sort of keep dreaming while sort of kind of not all the way asleep.

 

These lucid dreams are more like the Melian Show day dream in a half dream state. So they are very similar to the ordinary Melian Show day dreams. The one big difference is Melian is much more autonomous in these. You might find that interesting actually. She is much, much more autonomous, like she borrows her dream persona aspect for the half away Melian show day dreams.

 

Those may not be classic lucid dreaming but something else, another kind of dreaming skill. I have never found anyone else who describes deliberate day dreaming while partially awake.

 

It's my brain, without mind altering drugs. LOL

[Linkzelda]

I don't know what world you live in where lucid dreaming is akin to waking life' date=' but it's definitely not so for... every other person I've ever heard accounts from? [/quote']

 

This is probably because those anecdotal cases are limited, and the probability of people who couldn't recall them having some virtual experiential reality in their sleep is there. I'd say it's not so far-fetched for the mind to make it akin to waking life, or even in a more vivid sense. It's not so much of feeling it's an exact, spatio-temporal reality as this one, but rather the ease of there being an internal representation of the world altogether, albeit with some nuances that begs for some reality checks, and other systematic testing.

[Luminesce]

Daydreaming while "half-asleep" is rather effective, and while it's not necessarily lucid dreaming it requires a little more "mmph" than normal daydreaming. Realizing you're dreaming but choosing to let the dream play out is a legitimate way to lucid dream, but.. I just feel like that's wasted opportunity. Very rarely do I have any dreams I'd consider worth my time when I could make it more interesting.

 

I think the main difference here is dream vividness, because the way you talk about non-lucid dreams seems to imply you're still at lucid-dream levels of immersion, just without direct awareness of the dream. Most of my dreams aren't like that. Actually, almost every time I manage to have a very vivid dream, I also manage to become somewhat lucid. It's like a 50% chance. Usually happens toward the end though so I get a very little actual time to do anything before waking up. Doesn't happen often in the first place, though.

 

Candy isn't so sweet to those who have it all the time. I'm like a poor starving African child who's only ever tasted a single Hershey's Kiss.

[Guest Anonymous]

@Linkzelda

 

Note, I did not say Melian and I have dreams that are like waking life. I said that some of our more lucid dreams are similar to the Melian Show day dreams, which are nothing like real life in any stretch of the imagination.

[Luminesce]

Yeah I got that. My "daydreams", should I actually have any, are nothing compared to a lucid dream. I've had just enough experience with the latter to know they can feel beyond-lifelike. Daydreams to me are more akin to those sleepy thoughts you have when half-awake that sometimes form a story. Foggy, incomplete and unfulfilling.

[Guest Anonymous]

Candy isn't so sweet to those who have it all the time. I'm like a poor starving African child who's only ever tasted a single Hershey's Kiss.

 

Melian: Awwww!

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Yeah I got that. My "daydreams", should I actually have any, are nothing compared to a lucid dream. I've had just enough experience with the latter to know they can feel beyond-lifelike. Daydreams to me are more akin to those sleepy thoughts you have when half-awake that sometimes form a story. Foggy, incomplete and unfulfilling.

 

I was in high school by the time I began to realize my day dreaming and dreams were exceptionally vivid. I was puzzled that others didn't have that trait and, even more shocking, had trouble remembering having any dreams at all or not even "dreaming in color."

 

I am sorry to have all the candy Lumi. If I had an USB cable for my brain, I would do a Vulcan mind meld with you.

[Linkzelda]

I think the main difference here is dream vividness' date=' because the way you talk about non-lucid dreams seems to imply you're still at lucid-dream levels of immersion, just without direct awareness of the dream. Most of my dreams aren't like that.[/quote']

 

If there’s experiences akin to lucid-dream levels of immersion, those are usually in the form of DILDs for me. I would agree with you that sometimes dreams where one is aware, but doesn’t take an initiative can be a waste of an opportunity at times, but I found that some non-lucid dreams end up being greater than the lucid dreams themselves. Usually, when I want to be militant in creating the direction, I’m in it for collecting some heuristic rather than reveling for reveling's sake.

 

Probably because with lucid dreaming with wanting to take militant control of the direction leads to going so high in this seemingly omnipotent way of thinking, and the course of action and planning also may lead me to just go along with the flow while finding ways to maintain awareness. Or, I just appreciate that I was lucid altogether at some point, and just let the experience dissipate my awareness into a non-lucid one.

 

@Linkzelda

 

Note, I did not say Melian and I have dreams that are like waking life. I said that some of our more lucid dreams are similar to the Melian Show day dreams, which are nothing like real life in any stretch of the imagination.

 

Oh.