A tulpa's form is illusion, even if its mind isn't.

[Guest Anonymous]

That isn't an argument against the OP at all then. It is agreeing with it.

[Raetin]

 

I am talking about feeling sensations, like a physical reaction, not so much an emotional one. Any physical sensations the tulpa experiences cannot be real.

 

You can imagine how physical sensations feel like, right? Take a dream for example. All of those physical sensations you are feeling in that dream are not experienced physically!! It still feels real!! Just because your body is not feeling it, does not make it feel fake. Imagined pain and Real pain can feel very identical to each other in some cases. Just because they don't have a real body to experience these sensations doesn't make it feel any less.

 

Now, for a sensation you have never felt before such as someone walking through them is up to how your mind will think it will feel. What they feel though is what they f**king feel.

 

I think you're mixing up how perception works. Whether it's imagined or real perception doesn't change the fact that what they're experiencing feels very much real.

[Guest Anonymous]

You guys keep splitting hairs.

 

I am not about perception of the illusion. It is simple. The imposed form is an illusion. The tulpas form in your mind is also an illusion, like a dream. They are not real.

 

That is all I am saying. Therefore the form, and everything associated with the form, is a type of make believe.

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Never mind. It is all confusing me when I thought it was a simple statement.

[Raetin]

You guys keep splitting hairs.

 

I am not about perception of the illusion. It is simple. The imposed form is an illusion. The tulpas form in your mind is also an illusion, like a dream. They are not real.

 

That is all I am saying. Therefore the form, and everything associated with the form, is a type of make believe.

 

Well, now that you're explaining it like this, it makes a lot more sense. I can agree with that. I just want to point out though that "make believe" is an understatement. Imagined perception can be very powerful as well. I've had a dream that actually felt more real than real life. I guess you could say my imagined senses were heightened.

[Guest Anonymous]

Why does tulpamancy have to be so confusing? I am so confused now.

 

As far as Melian is concerned. Her form is an illusion. If and when I impose her, her imposed form will also be an illusion. Her sentience may possibly be real. But her form or imposed form will never be. Maybe that is different from other tulpas.

[NoneFromHell]

Why does tulpamancy have to be so confusing? I am so confused now.

 

As far as Melian is concerned. Her form is an illusion. If and when I impose her, her imposed form will also be an illusion. Her sentience may possibly be real. But her form or imposed form will never be. Maybe that is different from other tulpas.

 

Nah, this is pretty much right. But if your Melian would feel heavy pain because something happens to her in a melian show, her reaction to this pain would be real, if she is not playing around, right? Let's take it one step further: Let's imagine this. Melian breaks a bone in the melian show, and simply feels pain because your brain knows that she should feel pain. The pain is technically an illusion, but her reaction to the pain is not. It is not because you want her to feel pain, she just does because she should.

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The way you put it with your "Therefore the form, and everything associated with the form, is a type of make believe." would imply that it would be an illusion aswell that melian is feeling pain,

which she is even though the pain is just created by an illusion. You're not splitting enough hairs here.

[Raetin]

Rereading your op, I can see that I was arguing about something else entirely, haha. Sorry about that. The reason I started was because (I think) you were saying that their behaviors and reactions are illusionary. If we consider they're sentient (which I do), then that is not true at all.

 

What is illusionary is their sensation of stimulus. This could be their form and the things that happen to it. Since they do not have a physical body, the sensations must be imagined, of course.

[Guest Anonymous]

BUT all of our senses are interpreted by our brain and therefore technically illusion. Someone is going to say this, so I said it first.

[NoneFromHell]

BUT all of our senses are interpreted by our brain and therefore technically illusion. Someone is going to say this, so I said it first.

 

And this is the reason everything starts to itch as soon as you have in mind that some insect could be on your body.

[Raetin]

BUT all of our senses are interpreted by our brain and therefore technically illusion. Someone is going to say this, so I said it first.

 

That's what I've been implying on my rant on how the brain perceives these senses. You were differentiating between what is real and what is imagined, so I had to put that there isn't much a difference; they can still feel the same. Glad you know it though.