Guest Anonymous December 23, 2015 December 23, 2015 What he was referring to is the difference between having a tulpa and one thinking they have one, but actually just imagining things entirely. Which, yes, is a humongous difference (although it also ignores anything in between, like having a young, not-yet-developed tulpa, or some other kind of thoughtform). 'cause, like... in one case there's a person there, and in the other case there isn't. Greets, AG I resent this kind of attitude when I see it on the forum. I disagree that there is a big difference. Not really. I am tired of these kinds of statements because it forms a line between those who supposedly have "genuine" tulpas and those who "only think the have a tulpa but don't or are imagining it." I think a very realistic hallucination would be pretty much indistinguishable from something real. It isn't necessary to believe the thoughform/tulpa is real for you to treat your thoughtform/tulpa as a person. Either view is valid and plausible. I do agree that your tulpa is real sentience for you. that's great, nothing wrong with that. There is also nothing wrong with how I view Melian as part of myself and dependent apparent sentience. That being said, both thoughtforms are equally valid and good, because each gives us what we need in companionship and love. But let's not derail this thread with this old argument again. You have your view, I have mine. There are no "genuine" thoughtforms more genuine than someone else's.
Lacquer December 23, 2015 December 23, 2015 I am 85% sure that this guy is just a troll, but humoring bait can be fun. I'm a big advocate for not making tulpas based on preexisting characters or OC donut steel characters that would fit into a show they would like. Same for making sparkledogs or edgy demons with five eyes and eleven arms and claws for elbows. I think that a normal, "boring" form is one that would be more stable through the years and wouldn't serve as a reminder of dumb choices one made as a kid when they were obsessed with a certain video game. And then there's the whole identity crisis issue, but that's already been discussed and debated to death. But if someone has heard my spiel and still decides to go through with whatever weird form that my stick-in-the-mud sensibilities would think would be shortsighted, I'll respect their decision. A tulpa is a very personal thing and only you can make the decisions that go along with it. My only wish is that more people would take it seriously and not treat tulpas like they're toys.
Brassow December 23, 2015 December 23, 2015 It appears we have a fascist tulpamancer... buddy you aren't gonna change anything. "Try to get a better understanding of things before making your judgement." -Khan, Metro 2033
Guest Anonymous December 23, 2015 December 23, 2015 I resent this kind of attitude when I see it on the forum. I disagree that there is a big difference. Not really. I am tired of these kinds of statements because it forms a line between those who supposedly have "genuine" tulpas and those who "only think the have a tulpa but don't or are imagining it." I think a very realistic hallucination would be pretty much indistinguishable from something real. It isn't necessary to believe the thoughform/tulpa is real for you to treat your thoughtform/tulpa as a person. Either view is valid and plausible. I do agree that your tulpa is real sentience for you. that's great, nothing wrong with that. There is also nothing wrong with how I view Melian as part of myself and dependent apparent sentience. That being said, both thoughtforms are equally valid and good, because each gives us what we need in companionship and love. But let's not derail this thread with this old argument again. You have your view, I have mine. There are no "genuine" thoughtforms more genuine than someone else's. You missed my point... that was a purely factual approach to things. Of course there's a gigantic difference between talking to an actual person or a hallucination, simply because of the difference between set_exist 1 and set_exist 0, to put it in a humorous way. I just pointed that out. I was not trying to go into any ethical, philosophical or psychological implications at all; it was simply about set_exist 0 or 1, that I think that this was his / her point. Because, after all, no matter what we think we know or believe in, and no matter if we will ever know the truth, set_exist is always 0 or 1, no matter what, for everything. Again - purely in a factual sense, not at all going into how that even matters at all. And not at all going into a thing I personally value highly as a philosophical concept, "personal truth", either. (Schrödinger's Cat, anyone?) That's all I was saying, so yeah. Sorry if I was being unclear and you misunderstood. Greets, AG
Luminesce December 23, 2015 December 23, 2015 many people have been creating horrible physical forms for their tulpas, such as rabbits and ponies... What do you have against rabbits? Racist. Anyways this is a troll. Pretending to be "honest" at the end of the post but with "all users read" in the title is not legit. Thoughtform is unaffected by form at its core, it's just a voice and personality. What you imagine attached to those is extra. Hi! I'm Lumi, host of Reisen, Tewi, Flandre and Lucilyn. Everyone deserves to love and be loved. It's human nature. My tulpas and I have a Q&A thread, which was the first (and largest) of its kind. Feel free to ask us about tulpamancy stuff there.
Guest Anonymous December 23, 2015 December 23, 2015 What do you have against rabbits? Racist. Anyways this is a troll. Pretending to be "honest" at the end of the post but with "all users read" in the title is not legit. Thoughtform is unaffected by form at its core, it's just a voice and personality. What you imagine attached to those is extra. Eeeh, not a good generalization to make either! :P For example, Rina's form is very important to her. And I double-checked with her to see if I should say "important" or "very important"! :D Greets, AG
Luminesce December 23, 2015 December 23, 2015 I'm just talking about the absolute minimum requirements to have a tulpa, everything else is definitely important too. But you can have a tulpa with a voice and a mindset/personality behind it and nothing else. Form doesn't actually mean anything to the extent that it could be a negative thing, as the OP's implying. Still a troll though, title's too obvious. Hi! I'm Lumi, host of Reisen, Tewi, Flandre and Lucilyn. Everyone deserves to love and be loved. It's human nature. My tulpas and I have a Q&A thread, which was the first (and largest) of its kind. Feel free to ask us about tulpamancy stuff there.
Lacquer December 23, 2015 December 23, 2015 Eeeh, not a good generalization to make either! :P For example, Rina's form is very important to her. And I double-checked with her to see if I should say "important" or "very important"! :D Greets, AG Yeah, a tattoo can be very important to a person, but they're still the same person that they were before they got the tattoo.
Guest Anonymous December 23, 2015 December 23, 2015 You missed my point... that was a purely factual approach to things. Of course there's a gigantic difference between talking to an actual person or a hallucination, simply because of the difference between set_exist 1 and set_exist 0, to put it in a humorous way. I just pointed that out. I was not trying to go into any ethical, philosophical or psychological implications at all; it was simply about set_exist 0 or 1, that I think that this was his / her point. Because, after all, no matter what we think we know or believe in, and no matter if we will ever know the truth, set_exist is always 0 or 1, no matter what, for everything. Again - purely in a factual sense, not at all going into how that even matters at all. And not at all going into a thing I personally value highly as a philosophical concept, "personal truth", either. (Schrödinger's Cat, anyone?) That's all I was saying, so yeah. Sorry if I was being unclear and you misunderstood. Greets, AG Thank you for clarifying. I am sorry if I misinterpreted your meaning. You know what I think? This is going to sound really corny. But I think getting past the "my thoughtform is a tulpa and therefore more sentient than other inferior thoughtforms" is the only way to really finally understand the true nature of a tulpa. Just like I am beginning to understand Melian better than I ever thought I would. I didn't come here to understand her better, only to write and share her and have fun and socialize. But I ended up understanding her better anyway. I am very grateful to this community for that. Tulpa (in the modern internet tulpa sense) is only a word and a concept put together a mere three years ago or so, maybe a bit more. Who defined it? What makes anyone know any more about what is in my mind than myself? Dude last night my apparently sentient thoughtform (tulpa or not, hallucination or not, day dream or not, role playing or not) was sending me flash images in dreams of the art she wants us to do together, one piece after another. I don't care what she is made out of. The experience itself is what is REAL. She is made in my mind and she is part of me. I think mind voice, switching, imposition, possession and all of those "advanced" skills people have dreamed up as so apparently progressive are totally irrelevant if you already have a deeper connection to your thoughtform in your own way. And I do just that in dreams, way before I got here. I have been calling her a dreamform since the beginning for a reason, even though people have called me pretentious for doing so. She lives in dreams and day dreams, not the real world. Melian is a dreamform and has been for almost forty years. If someone three years ago can revision and redefine the concept of "tulpa," I sure as hell can coin my own term for my own thoughtform. Dreamform. Melian is not a tulpa. She may be a tulpa cousin. But she doesn't need another person defining what is right and what is wrong and where we are going or what we are going to do about it. Oh and returning to the point of the thread, if someone wants their tulpa to be a friggin pony, I have no problem with that at all. The OP here is stupid. It is just more of the elitist, judgemental crap I have had my fill of. The OP can take the complaint and shove it up his ass.
Guest Anonymous December 24, 2015 December 24, 2015 Thank you for clarifying. I am sorry if I misinterpreted your meaning. You know what I think? This is going to sound really corny. But I think getting past the "my thoughtform is a tulpa and therefore more sentient than other inferior thoughtforms" is the only way to really finally understand the true nature of a tulpa. Just like I am beginning to understand Melian better than I ever thought I would. I didn't come here to understand her better, only to write and share her and have fun and socialize. But I ended up understanding her better anyway. I am very grateful to this community for that. Tulpa (in the modern internet tulpa sense) is only a word and a concept put together a mere three years ago or so, maybe a bit more. Who defined it? What makes anyone know any more about what is in my mind than myself? Dude last night my apparently sentient thoughtform (tulpa or not, hallucination or not, day dream or not, role playing or not) was sending me flash images in dreams of the art she wants us to do together, one piece after another. I don't care what she is made out of. The experience itself is what is REAL. She is made in my mind and she is part of me. I think mind voice, switching, imposition, possession and all of those "advanced" skills people have dreamed up as so apparently progressive are totally irrelevant if you already have a deeper connection to your thoughtform in your own way. And I do just that in dreams, way before I got here. I have been calling her a dreamform since the beginning for a reason, even though people have called me pretentious for doing so. She lives in dreams and day dreams, not the real world. Melian is a dreamform and has been for almost forty years. If someone three years ago can revision and redefine the concept of "tulpa," I sure as hell can coin my own term for my own thoughtform. Dreamform. Melian is not a tulpa. She may be a tulpa cousin. But she doesn't need another person defining what is right and what is wrong and where we are going or what we are going to do about it. Oh and returning to the point of the thread, if someone wants their tulpa to be a friggin pony, I have no problem with that at all. The OP here is stupid. It is just more of the elitist, judgemental crap I have had my fill of. The OP can take the complaint and shove it up his ass. Honestly, tulpa is just a word to me. It describes something, a kind of being. How it's born, how it exists. It's a convenient little way to say what she is in one word... and it also happens to be a word that's highly imprecise as to what it's actually meant to describe, making it even more convenient because that makes it less likely to use the word incorrectly. But I know what Esterina is without that word. I mean, seriously, when it comes down to it, the answer to "What is she?" is easy to answer. She's just some person. At the end of the day that's really all there is to it - she's just some random person, like me, like you, like anyone else, that inhabits my body together with me... she just so happens to not have a body of her own, and didn't start existing the good ol' standard-human-way. Is that called a tulpa? Okay, then she's a tulpa. Is that not called a tulpa? Fine, then I'll just find another word. Who knows, maybe I'll think of one myself. "Wobbletock" does still sound pretty neat. In either case, I really don't care. It's just a word - I don't need that word to know what and, more importantly, who Esterina is. Greets, AG
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