Well, more like two questions

[Mirath]

So, years ago, I started almost daydreaming/zoning out when I listened to music, creating some form of small setting in my mind (which, thanks to this site, I can think is a wonderland due to its non-changing nature). During these times, I essentially created a five-piece band (excluding the two techs, extra female vocalist, small orchestral gathering... You get the idea) to 'play' the music. Now, at this night, I just realised that I don't actually need to do anything, they just play along themselves. Which is pretty awesome if you ask me.

 

I have a feeling they could be some form of servitor, due to how much I used to parrot/puppet them in the beginning, and now they pretty much do just that for whatever song is playing without my input.

 

Now, my second kinda-related question - How much work does it take to turn a servitor into a tulpa? I think there's a guide somewhere on here, but I thought I'd get everyone's opinion as well

[Vos]

We have some distinct disembodied voices in our wonderland that only have one purpose, and that's to whisper. I would imagine that, if we tried to turn that into a tulpa, it might be a little bit easier considering that we have some experience now, but it'd still take a bit of work. It's hard to say, it's probably dependent on the person.

[Evil]

Well, technically speaking, transforming a servitor into a tulpa would not be 'that' hard. I suppose that after all, you would need to perform the acts of active and passive forcing just like any other tulpamancer. A servitor functions more as a repeated series of actions that you have already planned in your mind, e.g a band, a city full of people... A common reference is that NPCs in wonderlands (characters that seem sentient, but are merely parts of the wonderland, and, the wonderland itself) are a form of servitor, for they serve a specific purpose; townsfolk in a wonderland contribute to many, many things, making the wonderland look like an actual habitable land, for one, making familiarity prominent there, too, there are many other advantages your mind will bring to the table.

 

 

Something that people fail to understand quite often is that your mind, on the subconscious/unconscious level of thought, DOES play a certain role in tulpamancy. Aside from the concept of will, need and overall 'lust', the mind can play other roles in the formation of semi-autonomous thoughtforms, even though that opinion seems to get some hate here and there.

 

Of course, forcing a servitor would definitely be a step ahead from forcing a concept, an idea, an idea that represents the tulpa. But the term servitor is a very broad one, one the community itself doesn't know in all specific details, as there is no specific definition on the practical level of things for what a servitor does, which is why I was hesitant to employ the term while forming my response to your inquiry. It is worthy of noting that a lot of people tend to have a vivid imagination, that does help them to visualize such things in their mind's eyes, and consequently, make the characters in question more.... vivid. A good friend of mine had imagined a rock band in his head for his mindfolks to enjoy, and they would play songs from their library, but they exhibited no signs of sentience. Perhaps.

 

With development, progress and commitment, though, anything is possible. Godspeed!

[SparrowNR]

Temar:

 

Do your band members have personalities or a sense of identity? It sounds like you have the visualization and vocal parts down, but it's hard for something to be sentient if they don't have a sense of presence or self.

 

Might be worth a try though, yeah? Maybe pull one of the band members out of the familiar environment and into somewhere else in the Wonderland (like, a green room or something), and have some one on one time with them? Talk to them, ask them questions about themselves, and all that Forcing stuff. Worst that can happen is if nothing sparks.

[Mirath]

Temar:

 

Do your band members have personalities or a sense of identity? It sounds like you have the visualization and vocal parts down, but it's hard for something to be sentient if they don't have a sense of presence or self.

 

Might be worth a try though, yeah? Maybe pull one of the band members out of the familiar environment and into somewhere else in the Wonderland (like, a green room or something), and have some one on one time with them? Talk to them, ask them questions about themselves, and all that Forcing stuff. Worst that can happen is if nothing sparks.

 

I'd say they (well, two of them that I mainly focus on) have some form of personality. And yeah, that does sound like a good idea

[Evil]

Although, I feel the need to ask if you truly think it would be a good decision to make them into tulpas, if you had the chance to. Many tulpas can be quite a bother, and using those folks as a shortcut to tulpamancy wouldn't really work in the best of ways.

[Mirath]

Although, I feel the need to ask if you truly think it would be a good decision to make them into tulpas, if you had the chance to. Many tulpas can be quite a bother, and using those folks as a shortcut to tulpamancy wouldn't really work in the best of ways.

 

Hm? No, I'm not currently interested in making them tulpas, I was just asking because the question had been in my mind for a while. Although I see where you're coming from in that respect. Besides, I don't think I have the concentration for more than one developing tulpa at a time.

[SparrowNR]

Although, I feel the need to ask if you truly think it would be a good decision to make them into tulpas, if you had the chance to. Many tulpas can be quite a bother, and using those folks as a shortcut to tulpamancy wouldn't really work in the best of ways.

 

Temar:

 

Talking hypothetically, I don't see how "upgrading" a servitor would necessarily lead to a more troublesome tulpa than building one from the ground up. Just because it's a "shortcut" doesn't mean it can't lead to good people, you know? And that's using the term "shortcut" loosely, since those servitors have years' worth of attention put into them.

 

Though I do agree with your overall point about thinking carefully before making any sort of sentient entity, shortcut or not.

[Lacquer]

I think Evil was saying that making all of the band members into tulpas all at once would be a lot of people running around in your head to deal with. What I took away from his post was that if Mirath goes down this path, it should be one tulpa at a time.

[SparrowNR]

I think Evil was saying that making all of the band members into tulpas all at once would be a lot of people running around in your head to deal with. What I took away from his post was that if Mirath goes down this path, it should be one tulpa at a time.

 

Temar:

 

Ah. In that case, I'd agree.