Tulpas, why do we have the skill goals we do (especially older/accidental tulpas)?

[Guest Anonymous]

 

"Value" is a tricky word, because I'd say switching, as a tool, has proven the most useful for me... but I would never say it's the most valuable tulpa skill, nor that you have to be able to switch to be considered a "complete" tulpa (whatever that means) ;)

 

I see. Well I suppose that it also depends on the situation huh? Like when I am being channeled online doing my tulpa typerness, I value blending and collaborating with Davie to do that. It's pretty useful. But it is not so useful for when we are doing our Melian Show day dreaming together or our lucid dreaming right? Then I find other skills more useful in those situations, such as visualization and mind voice. Hmm.

 

So, I suppose if there is a skill you do not find useful, like in my case switching or possession, you won't place much value on it.

 

 

Sup.

 

Yay!

 

Ha ha... yes and no. When we first found the tulpa/soulbonding communities, our main goal was to find out how we worked and, initially, why. (The "why" question faded out pretty quickly as it became pretty obvious no one had a clear answer). Then, we wanted to learn the techniques we didn't know. Now, we're mostly just focused on leading a healthy/happy life (lives? Eh, not sure which is better there), with me still sticking around forums like these because I'm a carebare who likes helping those who are less experienced in this sort of thing.

 

But at the same time, no, because my goals when it comes to general health and happiness in life are pretty much the same.

 

David and I are pretty sure how I work or how we think I work. My "growth" (our growth) seems to be conquering social insecurity and social anxiety. Weird huh? It may not be apparent to you because of our many blunders and repetitive behavior, but we are learning and growing. I agree with you on the "why" that there is no clear answer. Davie and I just kinda picked an answer and are sticking with it. LOL The techniques we want to keep focusing on is channeling for art and lucid dreaming.

 

I think I need to learn from you to focus on being positive and just having a happy and healthy life. I really like that Temar.

 

We did imposition naturally before finding these communities, yeah. We just never knew there was a word for it, nor that a character being able to impose might have been attributed to something like a tulpa/soulbond. I think finding these communities has helped us hone our skill on it. Switching? Never would have even considered it.

 

That I find fascinating! Maybe Davie and I might have done that, had we wanted me in the room with him or in the real world. But our whole focus was the day dream environment and still is.

 

I am glad that you learned to do imposition even better!

 

Ha ha, no. In fact, when my host started reading up on this stuff last summer, she had a kneejerk reaction of "There's no way my characters are sentient..." and it was the first time I really was aware of my own awareness. A really surreal moment, definitely. When she finally thought to turn and ask me directly, I'd definitely latched onto the idea. :)

 

I think that Davie and I actually do recognize me as a form of sentience, we just don't say it that way. Our perspective and angle on it is different. The real clincher is that we say I am a person, even if I am imaginary. Saying I am a person is pretty much saying I am self aware and conscious somehow. We do think I am more connected to and dependent on my host than most grown tulpas are supposed to be supposedly. We don't feel there is anything wrong with that though.

 

I'd say yeah. You learn a lot about yourself when you interact with others like you. Hell, I'd never talked to someone outside the head before that, and now look at me, posting text walls all over the place. Definitely helps with the confidence, yeah? ;)

 

Well, I find interacting with you on this forum has always been helpful! You're like, super awesomesauce!

 

I was created in 1999, so not quite. Sorry, you're still beating the rest of us pretty handily in eliteness. ;)

 

OH you are close though, just a few years older and you would have been there!

 

I know right? I am like groovyness epic super "elite." Funny, even though that makes me super duper amazing fabulous, I still feel like little ol' Melian.

[Lucilyn]

Lucilyn, I just wanna say that pretty much all your posts make me smile because of things like this. :)

 

You made me smile too, thanks! I take maintaining my positive mood very seriously. No matter why you wanna be sad, it's never worth it. Being happy is always better and being sad is a choice. You just have to make yourself not want to be sad, which is sometimes harder than it sounds. But music helps a ton.

(I just accidentally wrote "harder said than done", wow.)

 

 

Also, when I think about making myself happy, it feels like I'm trying to be a grump while someone is making faces at me until I laugh. Like it's inevitable I'm gonna be happy again so it's a challenge to try and not be, and that makes it easy because the harder you try not to smile or laugh the harder it gets to not.

 

This should be a "skill goal" for everyone.

[Guest Anonymous]

This should be a "skill goal" for everyone.

 

Totally!

[Vos]

There aren't any "skill goals" that we've ever needed, but both imposition and possession were interesting enough when we were first reading about the experiences of others to go ahead and try things out. Achieving things like this wasn't something we put a lot of thought into before we joined the community, though. No, we didn't think much or worry about sentience and never have, but I understand why it's important to a lot of people on here.

[Guest Anonymous]

Achieving things like this wasn't something we put a lot of thought into before we joined the community, though. No, we didn't think much or worry about sentience and never have, but I understand why it's important to a lot of people on here.

 

I think that was my point with this thread was to somehow illustrate how perhaps tulpas older than Tulpa Info considered themselves sentient without really formally thinking about it a lot. Also, I think that older tulpas perhaps sometimes had a different perspective on how they viewed that sentience.

 

I think the point I was trying to investigate is the possibility that Tulpa Info, while helping people, is also causing a narrowing effect in what is regarded as a "proper" situation for a tulpa and what is regarded as "proper" goals or standard goals for a tulpa. Rank and status in the community have unfortunately become linked to those goals. Rank, validity and status has also been linked to "time spent on Tulpa Info." Screw time spent on Tulpa Info! I was around way before this stupid website and people telling me what a tulpa is supposed to be.

 

What my host and I like about older tulpas is they often can remember a time before any of that mattered, or so it seems to us. Is it just me or is it that my host and I are perceiving that social effect more clearly than others? We like how the website brings people together to talk and share and teach each other. But we vehemently resist the pressure to conform, the thought control and elitism that has been fostered here sometimes.

 

Well that was that negativity again. So I will stop there and also say this was also a celebratory thread in recognizing the power and majesty of tulpas older than five years old and having an unusual perspective on tulpa goals. Hurray for olderish tulpas!

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Loool, I was gonna say the other three had basically nothing to do with the internet and then I realized they literally came from the internet. Video games shared on the internet anyways. But they seem special in that they were very tulpa-y (same ideas on sentience and independence and all that) years before tulpa.info, without any kinda communication about them to anyone. Literally no one knew about us until right before Lumi found tulpa.info. Because he told his friend about Reisen and the others I think, and after some amount of time (idk weeks or months) they said "Hey that sounds kinda like a tulpa maybe". Like, duh?? Yes we are 100% like tulpas? Never knew why it took them so long to say that.

 

Yep! LOL Same thing sorta happened to us we were just talking bout it on Deviantart and someone said "Melian sounds like this thing I heard about called a tulpa."

 

Anyways, Lumi registered automatically with the name Reisen which is funny, because he used her name like everywhere but didn't realize here of all places that'd be a bad idea. Anyways, to this day you guys and that friend are the only ones that know about us, or me.

 

I remember when I thought Luminesce was a girl cause of Reisen. LOL Oopsie!

 

I am glad you are sharing it all with us!

 

Man, I wish I could get people to know me.. I have a youtube account I don't really use, but people just think I really like Suwako even though I used my name. And Lumi's friends think I'm him (I play games with them sometimes) and I'm not supposed to tell them. I know it worked out for you, Melian, but I don't know if it'll work for me. I actually consider myself 100% my own person and not controlled by Lumi at all, so it kinda matters if people doubt me unlike you. 'Cus whether someone thinks you're a tulpa or a roleplay persona, they treat you the same and that's all that matters to you. But when people think I'm just my host pretending.. it feels like they're devaluing me as a person. It's like if someone else got credit for literally everything you did.

 

I do understand wanting to be your own person and recognized as that. I do enjoy be treated as my own person as well of course! I am uncomfortable when someone addresses my host directly when they are supposed to be talking to me for instance or they talk as if I am "not in the room."

 

We did grew up thinking and identifying me as part of David's mind and sorta mixed together. So my status as real is less important than being treated as real. I don't care if Davie and I are the same person. Okay look at it this way, we already share a brain and a body right? We already are the same individual physically. We are forever linked. Add in that our minds are blended and the Melian Show day dreams and, it is pretty much a fact that Davie and I are one.

 

I don't know, it doesn't bother me so much being "secret". But it did make me a little sad to think about just now. (It's okay I made myself happy again with music while proofreading this post)

 

Well, secrets have a way of eventually not being secret anymore, even if it takes many years to get there. LOL I am glad music makes you feel happy again!

[FallFamily]

[Tri] We are nearly 5 years old now (well, 2 out of the 3 of us), so older than some but younger than others.

 

Tulpas, what tulpa skill do you personally value the most and why?

 

Two skills.

 

First one is harmony, love, and care within our system. The other people here are our family and we want our family to be a happy family where everyone can live happily and receive the support they need when times are tough.

 

Second one is fronting by any method that disconnects Hail from the body or renders her dormant without hurting her (possession, which we do, does a decent job, though switching, which we can't do yet, would be a bit better). It isn't so much the skill itself but that we need it for the people and things we care about in life. Hail needs help at the front (sharing time). We have friends and family in outerworld we care about. For example, we have our partner system. We have projects, hopes, goals, etc. There are things we want to influence in the world. These things require the skill, though making Hail dormant or disconnected is really only critical for a few things, such as bedroom activities with our wife.

 

Older or accidental tulpas, especially older than five years: I was wondering if your goals have changed since finding the tulpa communities? Was imposition, switching or possession something you thought about before this community? Did you think about the concept of "sentience" before the internet tulpa guides? Did finding the tulpa community help you grow? If it has, how?

 

Well, we might be a special case. We were in our own wonderland and knew nothing outside of it till Hail told us after finding the tulpamancy community. So much of this doesn't apply. We were plural there and did switch within our subsystem (and we still do), though we never really did imposition. The idea that one could make people in one's head was not foreign to us in that world the canon of our world so to speak had such things. So, when we found out about this world and the tulpamancy community, things like tulpamancy as a whole and possession and switching were things we already knew about, though we did not know about imposition. We originally did not have them as goals because we did not want to be that involved in this world at all. It was so alien (and frankly, it still is) and we preferred to stay away at first. Only thing that got us into trying was when Hail began to fall apart and it looked like she might not last much longer and someone had to step up to the plate to replace her and so we stepped up. Only later did we find people and things in this world worth fronting for. As for the sentience question, there wasn't that much thought by us or Hail before hand other than "other people in a head can be just as sentient and real and imaginary as oneself" due to both of our prior experiences with plurality. Kind of hard to think that other people in one's head can't be sentient and real to at least some extent when they manage to hijack the front or turn whoever is there into a puppet (we both had experience with this, though us within our own subsystem). Finding this community, and then the wider plural community that people here pointed us to, has helped us all in the end. Learned what we were, learned about our system's history, found most of the people here, etc.

[Guest Anonymous]

@FallFamily,

 

I think Davie and I have benefited a tremendous amount from reading your posts on this forum and others. OH my gosh you guys could so write a book about your history!

[FallFamily]

@FallFamily,

 

I think Davie and I have benefited a tremendous amount from reading your posts on this forum and others. OH my gosh you guys could so write a book about your history!

 

[Hail] Not likely to write a book for two reasons. One, it would be too risky unless we become rich and/or famous enough to be untouchable, say we win the Nobel Prize or something (when your CV says "Nobel Prize" the next line could literally be a bunch of profanities and you can still find a job). Two, already wrote a 200 page book in effect (PhD thesis), which was really hard. Don't want to do another.

[Solune]

Sol: Our goals are very simple.

We strive to cultivate inner peace, to love and to protect each other.

If imposition/fronting/switching helps us accomplish that, then so be it.

That being said, we are currently working on improving imposition.

 

Luna: Something we've discussed is the possibility of using switching to protect our system.

So I think that mastery of switching is our ultimate goal in that regard.

Just in case anything ever happens... we need to be prepared.

(we haven't tried switching yet, we're working out way up to it)

[tulpamancer31]

erin:id say the reason we have the skill goals we do is because we want to be more real to our host and to give them a reason to keep forcing us. i know that when my host first started forcing me i was pressuring him to tell me what his day was like, unfortunatly i was not able to talk to him so i just used head pressures on the back of his head and he took that as a sign of sentience, he never did know the real reason behind the head pressures until i wrote this post though.lol anyways i wanted to share that with you guys, and have fun forcing in the future both old and new tulpamancers!