Lumi's Dreaming Thread; Dreams of Moon

[tulpa001]

That is a rather good song.

 

Sorry your run ended on a sour note. Still, it is practically impossible for dream stuff to be consistent, in any dimension.

 

But happy full moon!

 

I'm really wondering if maybe hypnotism can be used to trigger a lucid dream. My recent research suggests it is possible.

[Luminesce]

I wouldn't call it a sour note, she was just hoping for more lucid dream scenarios, and I think it's a given we're used to disappointment in that area. So much so we don't really get disappointed anymore. That being said, she seemed pretty happy with the last dream she had, went on a mini adventure that started with her as Link rescuing someone and turned into a boy (I would say me, in -) travelling with a fairly realistic-human-looking Chara (- Asriel's position, relation to her wise). Towards the end of the dream (and yes, she couldn't remember the first fourth or so, with some minor details from throughout the dream before it) they happened upon a store that presumably showcased interesting animals, with a window planter sort of thing housing some vegetation - and a dang lot of axolotls. I don't know why, don't ask. Anyways, they weren't moving, and Lucilyn was freaking out about how cute they were, but apparently Chara had never heard of axolotls and thought they were weird plants. Apparently her gasp when she saw one move was the highlight of the dream and what made it memorable afterward. Fair enough I guess, seems like a funny scenario only our dreaming mind could make up.

 

While Undertale is one of our top five favorite games, I wouldn't say I was ever super attached to any of the characters outside of the game, so don't go judging me for that dream. Chara showing up in very real-human form was as random an inclusion as the axolotls were. But I can tell where each of the influences of the dream were from, interestingly enough. Being Link at the start was from seeing a lot of Breath of the Wild, Undertale was honestly totally random, the place they were in was a livelier version of my home town, and the axolotls were from Yakuza 0, where our brother who is a huge fan of them kept one in his inventory the whole game. There is no explaining however how our brain decided to put that scenario together..

 

 

Anyways, I guess you could say I'm back, though it feels weird to talk like I've been gone (because I still talk to my tulpas whether I'm fronting or not - and the last time I was fronting was one one five days ago). I'll be here (fronting, that is) until at least Sunday, when we leave for California. At that point we'll really be feeling it out as we go. The vague plan is for Tewi to learn the ins and outs of our job, but for Reisen to be the one actually doing it, since we'll be dealing with customers. For all I know it'll be too hard and Tewi will be the one doing it, or it might not be a big deal and I'll just be doing everything. Either we'll be switching often (I'll also be visiting several family-s, both grandparents' houses and my brother who I'll be working for, so that'll be me), or it'll just be me the whole time, we'll see.

 

You'll see too, because we'll still be keeping up with the forum on our laptop regardless.

 

@Tulpa, the full moon is tomorrow (and the next day) but thanks, and hypnotism isn't our style (we're the types it wouldn't work on - not very invested in it working, prefer lucidity of mind at all times) but I imagine it could help with lucid dreaming either way. Having the mind so focused on lucid dreaming, whether as a direct result of the hypnosis or not, should make having one pretty likely. Especially when you're completely focused on lucid dreaming while also believing that it will happen while also falling asleep. My personal feelings toward hypnosis overall don't really apply here because that method lines up with ones we know to work anyways.

[Luminesce]

Got to bed a little late at 2AM last night, wasn't in a good mood so I didn't post (made the mistake of (playing shovel knight) racing my brother to beat shovel knight at 11:30, finished at like 1:30AM) and I also thought it was Thursday when it was still Wednesday, so I thought I had less time than I wanted before leaving. Anyways, I actually remembered a dream from last-last night this morning, a fairly Yakuza 0 inspired yet still original story. It was pretty long and thorough, I liked it. Last night I know that during the night I had remembered bits of lots of dreams, and that the last time I got back to sleep (10:30AM to 11:30AM when I had to get up) I had a fairly long and vivid dream. Somehow forgot about it a few hours later. I also had a surprisingly long dream after falling asleep for like twenty minutes around that time.

 

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When I naively thought we were a day ahead and had little time before I had to leave, which put me in a bad mood because I wanted to spend time with my tulpas, Flan reminded me that we'd have effectively nothing but time to ourselves for the 2ish weeks I'd be gone. Being able to look forward to the nights there makes it a lot easier. Related to the time away, I've got an idea of a new thing to do to force progress. Like when I started the Full Promises thread (our progress report), or this thread, though there's no reason to make a thread this time. I'm going to make a new routine for every time I wake up in the morning and, depending on how quickly it goes, possibly whenever I wake up during the night.

 

And that's a lot. Often. Thinking anything at all feels like a loss. Not being able to drift back to sleep puts a damper on enjoying sleep in the first place, and even as much as reality checking was hard to get used to doing. And my current plan is to think - every time I wake up - "I need to try to remember my dreams. Even if there's literally nothing left to remember, I have to sit here in this tired state trying to remember any bits and pieces possible. Don't feel like it? Do you ever want to meet your tulpas? This is the sacrifice of time and effort necessary. No ifs and or buts. Deal with wanting to sleep and not being able to for a bit, or accept never lucid dreaming."

 

It might be an even bigger deal than I make it sound. We're all here in waking life with clarity of thought and effort to burn. But this will be a commitment that will actually interfere with my leisurely sleeping through the night, all nights. But I don't care, I barely get tired after only 4-5 hours of sleep anyways. And if I do get tired, I can go to sleep earlier. It's not a matter I'm budging on. In case this isn't carrying enough impact, I'll state that this will almost assuredly immediately increase our dream recall to all dreams after a few hours of sleep and greatly increase the vividity of them all too. Forcing myself to try and remember even when there's nothing, and to remember more when there's only "some", will make a huge difference in the recall on its own. But becoming that mentally awake between sleep cycles - when my brain has no choice but to go back to sleep anyways - will make the dreams much more vivid, too. And general nighttime activity will help everything overall.

 

Yeah, that's about it. Guilt tripping myself to work overtime on lucid dreaming. I'll try it tonight, and Flan will be with me anyways so it's not even that new to me (for those that don't know, Flan and I sometimes go over our dreams throughout the night during waking periods, usually more than six times per night). But this time with more forced effort from me. My tulpas don't seem to have my motivation issues and so naturally follow suit on stuff like this it seems, whenever I make a big effort-ful change they just do it without a second thought when fronting. I envy them, but that doesn't change my situation, so I have to make it work somehow. "It" being myself.

[Luminesce]

Was rather difficult to remember what to do when I woke up each time last night, took me a moment the first few times. I didn't even talk to Flan because I was too busy remembering dreams. Not sure if I did well enough to have an immediate effect, but we'll see. This is also my last night sleeping at home for a bit more than two weeks.

 

Honestly, the promise of that much time alone to spend with my tulpas is completely offsetting any effort-anxiety I have about this trip. But I shouldn't get too comfy because I do have a job to learn to do after all. Depending on if there's any actual interaction with the customers or just business, I might just do everything myself. For a change. Gotta be able to say I did something recently without relying on Tewi right?

 

... Maybe we'll take turns.

[Luminesce]

Successfully remembered about every dream I had (at least the last third or so of them) all night, starting from 2 hours in. There's no time to bother needing to be convinced to do it, it's just "What I'm going to do" ie a habit already. So, cool, that was fast. I still don't remember the dreams very well later on though.

 

Might or might not be able to post the next day or so, so I'm doing so now.

[tulpa001]

Wow! Yeah, we hardly remember any of the dreams we used to. They just don't like sticking around, except for the oddest of highlights.

[Luminesce]

Got to where we were going at 4AM and slept solidly from then until 8:30AM, at which point after being up for a few minutes we apparently decided to sleep until 12 which was also solid, as in I just woke up like it was seconds later no dreams whatsoever. And uh, we is referring to my older brother whom I'm working for and I, not the tups.

 

Work starts Friday, when I'll have to get up at ~7AM. For now I'm just gonna sleep and re-commence dream recall - called it off for the two nights where I had to sleep on couches, for less than 8 hours, in what I consider "public" (ie in the vicinity of anyone else at all). Got my own (guest) room now though, so here we go!

 

Since all I've got is this laptop that really can't/shouldn't-be-used-to run games and, you know, nothing at all except Pokemon on the 3DS, my tulpas should be way more active for the next couple weeks. And I look forward to that a lot.

[Luminesce]

Yesterday - Had some awesome dreams, they were just impressively cool and fun. One of them was a game set up roughly like TF2 where you could choose classes on the fly/between lives to go fight with, but there were a ton of playable Touhou characters (and a few Nintendo ones, I think...)

 

Last night - Remembered slightly fewer dreams, but they were still good ones. I'll have to get up around 7:30AM on Friday, so today I plan to get up earlier than 12. We'll see when that ends up being.

 

I've been playing Pokemon Moon constantly and consistently the past few days. I'm halfway through the Elite 4 right now, figured I'd post here before finishing that and going to sleep. Honestly, I'd go to sleep earlier and wake up early, but I came to the conclusion I just like the nighttime better than the daytime. I would rather stay up 'til 3AM and sleep five hours to wake up at 8AM, than go to sleep at 12 and sleep five hours to 5AM, because it would mean my waking time was moreso spent in the morning, which I'm not fond of generally. It's not as cozy, not as fun. But I might change my mind real quick when I have to get up so soon after going to sleep.

 

Also, I can't really overstate (can easily understate) how much fun this Pokemon playthrough is, especially right now. Most of my tulpas are watching, one of them cheering, because my dream team has pokemon based on them after all. It's a good time.

[Luminesce]

Last night, I dunno, I dreamed a few random scenarios thematically related to some scenarios I've come across in the last week or so, nothing special. But I only got six hours of sleep before getting up not knowing when I'd be picked up to go to work, just to call my brother an hour later to find out they decided to start the fair tomorrow not today. Tomorrow I don't leave until 10:45AM. And I woke up at 6:30AM today. Whatever. I even figured out how to put my hair in a ponytail (to hide under a hat, for working with food). Can't see myself ever doing that by choice in the future.

 

I guess I'll get enough sleep I should be able to focus on dream recall tonight. I was tired all day, but I'm sure now that it's 9 and I've got nothing to do I'll be wide awake... or not, we'll see.

[Luminesce]

I really haven't posted since work started, huh? Well, I've got a couple days off. I've remembered some of my dreams like 66% of the time maybe, they've mostly been related to things I experienced recently as before. To be honest the last three days my legs hurt too much from so much standing to actually sleep when I got home around midnight, to the point where I've been distracted from even talking to Flan who's always right here waiting for me, and then I didn't get to sleep too long either. Wish I could say more but I've really forgotten what I dreamed about most of those times. Some cool adventure-y ones, one where someone talked about switching as a non-tulpa concept and I was like "Oh cool, they do it too!", and some abstractions of events that happened recently, and probably some other things.

 

Tuesday and Wednesday (yesterday and today, I guess) I have off, Thursday and Friday I work from 3:00 to 11:00, and then Saturday, Sunday and Monday I work from 11:00 to 11:00 or so, then I should be going home on Tuesday the 30th.

 

 

I was reading back through our PR thread for an old post about Reisen, and I happened on this quote that.. I dunno, you know? One of those things that makes you pause, makes you feel something complicated. But I've written about it before, about how proud/happy I am for my tulpas and all that they've done.

Also, I realized recently that everything I've been doing for the last eight or so months, was once entirely taken care of by Lumi. It's weird to imagine that. I know he didn't necessarily excel at everything, but I still respect just how much he managed to do. I never want to downplay how much he takes care of us and himself. He's a good host.

 

Except I suppose that's sort of in reverse here. It was just one of those posts that felt so strikingly independent from me, like my tulpas are entirely separate individuals not just in my mind. Plus I was being praised so honestly from someone like Tewi no less, that caught me really off guard. Like I said, I don't know how to explain how it made me feel, it just did.

 

There was also this snippet that felt the same in a more comical way, Tewi telling me from the past that I wasn't allowed to do something.

By the way, you're not allowed to click this, Lumi. Scarlet and I say so.

 

It's not too big of a deal, if only because I'll do what she says. The long version of which is here, the tl;dr here.

 

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I've been listening to a ton of YTPMVs tonight, reminiscing. I have so many fond memories tied to so many of them.