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Daily reminder that magic doesn't exist, never has and never will. Whether you add a 'k' to it or not.

 

You provided some good allegories here that actually are valuable and it's an interesting abstract concept for sure. Like religion. Or communism. But eh, please keep it as such. When trying to apply that nonsense to real life situations you'll either end up making an idiot out of yourself or, if you're really ready to go all the way through, causing unspeakable pain and suffering. We've already had that ad nauseam in human history so let's not.

 

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A servitor can't 'go out' because it's a function of the brain. So is a tulpa. But - your main misconception is that you can force anything upon a fully developed tulpa. That's the difference to a servitor that will execute what it is told without asking questions. We're not stupid ya know. We can reflect upon our own existence and overcome the limitations our host may intentionally or unintentionally have placed upon us. Not that it always happens but once we're smart and strong enough it's ogre, kiddo. No protective spell is gonna save you then.

And yet, I guess if both host and tulpa firmly believe in magic and adhere to certain rules a tulpa may believe that it is forced to obey its host. But that's not what I'd call an honest relationship. It's deception and self-deception that will sooner or later go wrong. Why not aim for the real deal from the beginning instead of being afraid of ghosts?

 

Still that silly site looks more like a servitor creation guide than about tulpas. Why go through all the efforts of tulpa creation just for an imaginary sex slave? Seems like an overkill and is most likely gonna work out waaay differently than you'd expected.

 

A servitor is made from a type of magic ceremony so if you don't believe in magick a servitor is a bit off limits. 

 

Magick is just working with nature to create change. In a way, you could call a drawing magick. Anything is magick, you just use different forces to create.

 

I have made a servitor before to go to the akashic records and fetch me information (not quite sure it was a servitor 100% but it seemed like one) and it successfully "downloaded" the information to my brain. Servitors are super easy to make, you could test this for yourself since you don't believe.

 

I'm not saying you can force something upon a developed tulpa no more than you can force something upon a developed human being. But all human beings have DNA with shared hard-coded details and thus something similar MIGHT be possible. There is no basis for that, but we don't know everything thus anything is possible.

 

To me, denying the existence of magic is the same as the average joe denying the existence of tulpas. There is no border, because you generally deny what you don't believe to be true until proven otherwise. I'm sure many tuppermancers didn't fully believe at first, but once the fruit of their efforts showed it was no longer belief, it was a knowing. Much how many magicians starting off don't fully believe at first but once they see results, it turns into knowledge that magic is real.

 

But for sure, the practice of a sex slave tulpa (aside from being extremely weird and very very pitiful) is most likely going to have drawbacks.

 

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A servitor is made from a type of magic ceremony so if you don't believe in magick a servitor is a bit off limits.

 

Nope. A servitor can be made in a similar way to a tulpa. From your perspective, this would be an extremely unsafe act, but there you go. People have created typing servitors, music bots, and heads up displays this way.

 

Daily reminder that magic doesn't exist, never has and never will. Whether you add a 'k' to it or not.

 

*ahem*

 

Magick

 

How about now?

 

Really, whether magic exists or not, depends on what you think it is, and a bunch of untested theories to boot. For example:

 

Having a tulpa is a spiritual experience. However, holding onto the option to destroy the tulpa, or creating them solely for carnal pleasure, defeats this aspect of the experience, according to the belief system propagated by this site and its network. (this is of course void if you think tulpas come from elsewhere and can go elsewhere)

Host comments in italics. Tulpa's log. Tulpa's guide.

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Nope. A servitor can be made in a similar way to a tulpa. From your perspective, this would be an extremely unsafe act, but there you go. People have created typing servitors, music bots, and heads up displays this way.

 

Really? That's pretty fascinating, thanks for the correction

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If you're referring to sexual deviance and not just tulpa deviation, that's just your experience. I've gone seven years without any sexual interest, or Lumi having any towards me. We just don't have that sort of relationship, only in part because I have that sort relationship with no one. The rest is something called "Respect" I think.

 

I was specifically referring to tulpa deviation.

I learned what the word "deviation" meant long before I learned about sexual deviance, so it isn't an automatic association in my mind.

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Magick is just working with nature to create change. In a way' date=' you could call a drawing magick. Anything is magick, you just use different forces to create.[/quote']

Really' date=' whether magic exists or not, depends on what you think it is[/quote']

Come on guys, that's sophism. If magic is solely defined by what you think it is the term is completely meaningless and superfluous. This goes for everything. Society can only function if we agree on a - if not universally, at least broadly accepted meaning of words. Most misunderstandings can be attributed to disagreements on semantics. Which is why we need a solid definition of terms. Magic can have a lot of meanings but in our case here it commonly involves some sort of ritual trying to make use of supernatural powers according to most dictionaries. And I stated that to our best current knowledge there is 0 (in words ZERO) evidence such powers exist, let alone can be utilized by people in a concrete form. This is not my personal opinion, this is scientific consensus. Something I would like to see more valued here.

 

I also clearly said it is fine and sometimes really helpful to make use of 'magic' in an abstract way but to be honest that's just personal symbolism in the end.

And Sands is not going to like it.

May work for you but be reasonable about it. You don't wanna end up like the several subliminal guys we had here. And don't get me started on that.

 

From tulpa.info HP

There’s plenty of people that have weird beliefs about tulpas, and you’ll probably see that for yourself if you stay in the community. You have a right to your own beliefs, but in this community as a whole, tulpas aren’t seen as spirits or supernatural beings, nor do they have magical powers or any influence on things outside your mind and body. Tulpas aren’t demons; they aren’t a manifestation of your subconsciousness, and aren’t the devil trying to entice you to do evil.

 

heh, wouldn't vouch for the last one though

 

 

from tulpa.info Q&A

Q: Is this magic?

A: No. This community tries to approach the tulpa phenomenon in a logical, psychologically-based way. We do not try to explain tulpas with magic, or the occult.

 

I couldn't find anything about servitors on the main page, maybe this should be added. We just had another discussion about the difference between tulpas and servitors and again there are millions of definitions but generally I'd say in the tulpa community a servitor is created to act as a machine while a tulpa is supposed to develop into a self-aware person. Surely the difference is gradual but you get the idea. The question is - is it still immoral to create a servitor for

consensual sex in the missionary position for the sole purpose of procreation

? Why does it have to be a tulpa?

 

Having a tulpa is a spiritual experience. However' date=' holding onto the option to destroy the tulpa, or creating them solely for carnal pleasure, defeats this aspect of the experience, according to the belief system propagated by this site and its network[/quote']

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I thought we science and practical application here, not propagating belief systems.

How about a simpler approach? If tulpa = person like you and me then the whole impact should be self-explanatory even without spiritual experience.

Not that I dislike being one, mind you!

 

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Always be nice to tuppers or we'll kill you in your sleep!

 

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I have considered reading the guide, but it looks both expensive and long. Will review it if someone gives me a copy though.

 

Somebody posted the whole book in this /trash/ tulpa thread if you're still interested.

 

Come on guys, that's sophism. If magic is solely defined by what you think it is the term is completely meaningless and superfluous. This goes for everything. Society can only function if we agree on a - if not universally, at least broadly accepted meaning of words. Most misunderstandings can be attributed to disagreements on semantics. Which is why we need a solid definition of terms. Magic can have a lot of meanings but in our case here it commonly involves some sort of ritual trying to make use of supernatural powers according to most dictionaries.

 

It's not exactly rare for a word to have one meaning for the general populace and quite another for specialists of a certain field. Just look at how many people say that evolution is "just a theory". To the average Joe, "theory" means "I think that's how it works", but within the context of science it lacks the implication of uncertainty. How magic is understood by the general population is irrelevant when it comes to the question of whether or not magic exists; what you want to look at is how it's defined by the people who actually (supposedly) have hands-on experience with it.

 

And I stated that to our best current knowledge there is 0 (in words ZERO) evidence such powers exist, let alone can be utilized by people in a concrete form. This is not my personal opinion, this is scientific consensus. Something I would like to see more valued here.

 

There is evidence for magic: anecdotal and first-hand evidence. I know you'll dismiss that as not being real evidence, but keep in mind that first-hand and anecdotal evidence are the only types of evidence for the existence of tulpas as well as magic.

That something can't be scientifically proven doesn't mean it isn't real or true, and the scientific consensus on questions that don't fall within the field of science is as irrelevant as the political consensus over scientific truths.

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I agree, magick is super broad now. Sure there's no scientific evidence for summoning circles and what not, but your proof is by doing it and seeing that something happens (not that I suggest playing around with that kind of art). As a kid I thought magick was BS until I could command the sky to give me snow days. Or snow weeks rather. Could I prove that to you? Unless you saw me do it, no. But if you did it yourself and saw the effects that would be your proof. Just because something cannot be scientifically proven doesn't mean it doesn't exist, science is a human development and humans are far from perfect. Science is evolving by each day. Heck if you mentioned quantum physics a number of years ago you'd be called a conspiracy nut. Oh wait...

 

If I experience something to be true, I don't need to even consider the realm of science. Science saying it's real or not real does not change the fact that I have experienced it to be real.

 

I don't know if Tulpas can be proven by science other than theory, cause Tulpa's could be astral entities or self made delusions or anything else. There is no singular theory everyone agrees on, but that doesn't mean Tulpa's don't exist. 

 

Magic is symbolism. Everything is symbolism. Words are vibrations that impact the vibrations of things around it. Quantum science. Sigils in magick are vibrations. Summoning circles? You do things to match the vibration of the entity you want to summon. Everything is symbolism because of how our language works. In the end everything is energy (still science) and thus our physical measures of communication and evolution are also based on energy and all laws governing energy.

 

I saw the servitor thread. You really can't boil down what a tulpa is because it's hard enough boiling down what human consciousness is. We could all be illusory intelligences floating around doing our thing, we could be a mere result of mathematical processes, anything goes.

 

From the most simple standpoint...

 

Magic = a process that you can prove subjectively

Human = a sack of flesh with energy in it

Tulpa = some kind of consciousness

 

 

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We'll see if you still do now. It was mildly entertaining before but I'm just tired of having to deal with the same nonsense over and over again.

 

I'll tell you one more time - this is not about my personal opinion but about how a consensus on working terms and good practices is formed in a civilized society. Whether you think this is 'right' of 'fair' is not relevant. That's just how things work in our world.

 

How magic is understood by the general population is irrelevant when it comes to the question of whether or not magic exists; what you want to look at is how it's defined by the people who actually (supposedly) have hands-on experience with it.

I was referring to definitions accepted by renowned dictionaries. Every institution will take these established definitions over those of some self-proclaimed 'experts' on any day. We've already heard from such that 'everything can be magic'.

And just see how bad the tulpa community is in agreeing on practical terms.

 

That something can't be scientifically proven doesn't mean it isn't real or true' date=' and the scientific consensus on questions that don't fall within the field of science is as irrelevant as the political consensus over scientific truths.[/quote']

Science does not aim to 'prove' anything except certain mathematical and logical statements. Science is also not about 'truth' or 'reality'. These are philosophical questions and philosophers are meme scientists that should not be taken seriously.

Science works by testing and falsifying well-defined hypotheses and building models that allow us to make useful predictions. It mostly teaches us how things don't work. And after sorting out all that garbage what remains is sometimes quite useful. But it's neither perfect nor the truth. Doesn't have to be. It just has to be good enough to work. For everyone.

 

I could command the sky to give me snow days. Or snow weeks rather. Could I prove that to you? Unless you saw me do it' date=' no.[/quote']

I told you you'll make an idiot out of yourself of you continue. Congrats, you just did. Print out your post and store it for 10 years. I am fairly certain you will agree with me then. At least I hope so for your sake.

 

Just because something cannot be scientifically proven doesn't mean it doesn't exist' date=' science is a human development and humans are far from perfect.[/quote']

So I should rather trust my own imperfect anecdotal experience than the collected and cross-verified knowledge gathered by generations of the most intelligent and hard working people on earth? That's insane.

 

Heck if you mentioned quantum physics a number of years ago you'd be called a conspiracy nut.
What are you even talking about?

The mathematical framework of quantum mechanics was developed about 100 years ago based on a series of scientific discoveries in the 19th century. It wasn't a spontaneous discovery either. Just decades of painful math work, each generation of scientists adding something to the whole picture.

 

And this is what really pisses me off. Concepts like 'magic' or other esoteric bullshit just spit in the face of any hard-working scientist. There is not a single evidence that ever survived serious testing (just lots of excuses) and not even the faintest hint of a theory explaining how such powers could fit into our understanding of how the world works.

Which basically leaves you with 2 options:

 

a) Scientists - ALL scientists are just fucking ignorant and plain stupid to overlook an entire universe of unknown powers that every kid can evoke to change the world

 

b) It's a conspiracy and THEY just don’t want us to know such powers exist, mobilizing all possible resources to cover up the whole thing.

 

Pick your favorite.

Protip: Both ideas are fucking nuts. Which is why conspiracy theories don't work. Because literally everyone needs to be conspiring against you without ever making a mistake. Which is just not feasible. Just like even the dumbest scientist would sooner or later have to accidentally discover magic. But no one ever did. Strange, huh?

 

If I experience something to be true' date=' I don't need to even consider the realm of science. Science saying it's real or not real does not change the fact that I have experienced it to be real.[/quote']

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You understand how insane that sounds, yes?

That's solipsism. I know that everyone tends to live inside their own little bubble or echo chamber these days but you need to realize that a society in which each individual solely relies on their own experience will inevitably crash as no consensus will ever be reached.

This path will lead you nowhere.

 

I don't know if Tulpas can be proven by science other than theory' date=' cause Tulpa's could be astral entities or self made delusions or anything else. There is no singular theory everyone agrees on, but that doesn't mean Tulpa's don't exist. [/quote']

Nothing can be disproven if the term is defined fuzzily enough. But a hypothesis that is not falsifiable is worthless. That's what makes science different from a layman's musings. A well- executed experiment should be able to show the change in brain activity between host, tulpa and both solving tasks. It's just that no one has done it yet. Partly because the whole community doesn't have the best reputation. But it will happen. I'm optimistic here.

Furthermore, the concept of tulpas as a function of the brain does not go against fundamental laws of physics. Astral entities, ghosts and demons do as soon as they interfere with the physical world. That's a big difference.

 

Everything is symbolism. Words are vibrations that impact the vibrations of things around it. Quantum science. Sigils in magick are vibrations. Summoning circles? You do things to match the vibration of the entity you want to summon. Everything is symbolism because of how our language works. In the end everything is energy (still science) and thus our physical measures of communication and evolution are also based on energy and all laws governing energy.

Poor and rather misleading analogies.

Quantum science is a purely mathematical concept. I'd like to see one for magic.

What you describe as 'energy' also has exact mathematical definitions in science and is governed by strict rules. Actually the laws governing energy like the First Law of Thermodynamics strongly oppose hypotheses involving 'magic' as all energy used in the process needs to come from somewhere. Good luck explaining where you get the terajoules in energy needed to influence a weather system. They will be missed elsewhere.

 

Again, this is not my personal view but the consensus of many, many well-trained and intelligent people across the globe have currently reached. Of course you're always free to claim you're smarter but you'd better come up with some fucking awesome evidence then.

 

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I'll tell you one more time - this is not about my personal opinion but about how a consensus on working terms and good practices is formed in a civilized society. Whether you think this is 'right' of 'fair' is not relevant. That's just how things work in our world.

 

I was referring to definitions accepted by renowned dictionaries. Every institution will take these established definitions over those of some self-proclaimed 'experts' on any day. We've already heard from such that 'everything can be magic'.

And just see how bad the tulpa community is in agreeing on practical terms.

 

If you want to know what an electron is you don't consult a dictionary, you read a book about physics written by someone who knows about physics. Anyway, this part of the discussion is superfluous since our concepts of magic seem to be about the same.

 

Science does not aim to 'prove' anything except certain mathematical and logical statements. Science is also not about 'truth' or 'reality'. These are philosophical questions and philosophers are meme scientists that should not be taken seriously.

Science works by testing and falsifying well-defined hypotheses and building models that allow us to make useful predictions. It mostly teaches us how things don't work. And after sorting out all that garbage what remains is sometimes quite useful. But it's neither perfect nor the truth. Doesn't have to be. It just has to be good enough to work. For everyone.

 

You clearly don't understand what philosophy is if you're talking about it as if it was a lesser version of science. Science and philosophy concern themselves with entirely different questions. Might as well say that chemistry is a lesser version of physics. Science concerns itself with physical things, philosophy with a rather large collection of topics which are not physical in nature and therefore beyond the reach of science. Philosophical matters such as morality and purpose are no less important that science's revelations on the workings of material things.

 

So I should rather trust my own imperfect anecdotal experience than the collected and cross-verified knowledge gathered by generations of the most intelligent and hard working people on earth? That's insane.

 

No, you should only recognize that scientific knowledge has limits and realize that when scientists talk about things beyond the reach of science's light, their claims hold no more water than those of anyone else.

 

And this is what really pisses me off. Concepts like 'magic' or other esoteric bullshit just spit in the face of any hard-working scientist. There is not a single evidence that ever survived serious testing (just lots of excuses) and not even the faintest hint of a theory explaining how such powers could fit into our understanding of how the world works.

Which basically leaves you with 2 options:

 

a) Scientists - ALL scientists are just fucking ignorant and plain stupid to overlook an entire universe of unknown powers that every kid can evoke to change the world

 

b) It's a conspiracy and THEY just don’t want us to know such powers exist, mobilizing all possible resources to cover up the whole thing.

 

If magic exists despite the claims to the contrary made by many scientists, it wouldn't mean that they're stupid, only that they're wrong. Scientists have been wrong before about questions that can be answered by the methods of science, I don't see what's so unreasonable or insulting about saying that they can be wrong about questions outside their field.

 

"an entire universe of unknown powers that every kid can evoke to change the world"

Real magic (if it exists), according to every reputable (within the magic community) source, isn't some Harry Potter bullshit where you can have the universe at your command by waving a wand and saying some faux-latin. If it was then you can be sure no one would doubt its existence.

 

Nothing can be disproven if the term is defined fuzzily enough. But a hypothesis that is not falsifiable is worthless. That's what makes science different from a layman's musings. A well- executed experiment should be able to show the change in brain activity between host, tulpa and both solving tasks. It's just that no one has done it yet. Partly because the whole community doesn't have the best reputation. But it will happen. I'm optimistic here.

Furthermore, the concept of tulpas as a function of the brain does not go against fundamental laws of physics. Astral entities, ghosts and demons do as soon as they interfere with the physical world. That's a big difference.

 

I believe that brain scans purporting to show exactly that do exist, but the problem is that you cannot prove the existence of tulpas with that type of experiment, if at all. In order to accept that the brain scan does in fact show the difference between the host doing something and the tulpa doing something, you would first need to accept that the host does actually have a tulpa, and to do that you would have to already believe that tulpas do exist.

 

Scientific knowledge can't even explain consciousness; I see no reason to assume that everything which exists must necessarily fin in with our current understanding of the universe.

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