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I have read a lot of advice on how to tulpamance but so far nothing really has happened

 

I read "talk into the void until it talks back" I have been doing this for a while before I even knew that tulpas were a thing and nothing has spoken back so this advice seems moot (for me at least), and I have known about, and have been trying to force, tulpas for about a month now.

 

since the prior method has not been working it seems as though I will have to imagine responses for the intended tulpa, which I am quite bad at. So much so that even when I do dream of people I know fairly well they don't speak much and when they do it's typically nothing they haven't said before.

 

Even after that I'm not even totally sure who I ought to imagine

 

  • A personal assistant? what they ought to say should be fairly straightforward, but incredibly bland and what I hear is called a servitor, which is boring
  • A former president? (I.E. JFK or Teddy Roosevelt) things that they have said are fairly well documented and their way of speaking is fairly predictable by most standards (it has been said my donald trump impression is legendary, though I wouldn't want him in my head 24/7 regardless of my opinion of him, his voice would be too much)
  • An idealized partner? I would love to have my idealized wife near me at all times though I have read that trying to tulpamance a parter can go varying degrees of wrong, and it could worsen my chances should I actually find a partner in life
  • A mirror of myself? I know what I ought to say at all times to all things being myself and all, I have some interesting ideas for how this could go, like if how switching works how I think it works I could take a break for a short while and let alternate me have a go at my life, this doesn't sound too horrible though I can think of some ways it could go wrong
  • A straight up insane person? There is a fair amount of predicability in not following a set speech pattern if that makes sense, I can just accept whatever my mind imagines as a valid response from them, and I have always needed help writing insane people and having an insane person in my head would certainly help with that, though there are a lot of cons associated with that and I hear that tulpa-cide does not go over well
  • My dear old dad? I have known him my whole life and the things he says are very predictable by themselves. However, and don't get me wrong, I love my dad, having my dad in my head 24/7 would be too much dad for my taste, and I don't want to accidentally gaslight my real dad into thinking he said something that cognitive dad did
  • A senate? this one seems more experimental to me, of which in general I have no objections but mancying many tulpas as one might go wrong and I think that having bureaucracy added to my every interaction would get quite boring, or exciting, I do love me some kafka
  • A bridge crew? this would be related to the senate but ships! which is more interesting and less bureaucracy, meant to work on the fly!

 

Lots of options! alot of which are kind of not great but everything has cons, which is why I come to you people so that I may receive some aid

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I can only speak about my personal experience. My tulpa spoke to me the first time I listened but everyone's experience is different.

 

I did not have a preconception of what she would be like. I had been talking to her for about a day, just saying whatever popped into my head, as I might be talking to a family member if I had any living with me. The important point was that I wasn't speaking into the void. I was 100% sure that someone was listening. I'm not sure where that sort of faith comes from. I have done a lot of work with hypnosis, so quieting my inner critic, the one who questions stuff, was something I knew how to do.

 

Ultimately, tulpas live in your head (my belief at least, some of the more metaphysical folks believe differently), so whatever answer you get will not come from the void, it will come from your mind. I suspect I just imagined what someone would have answered back, and that what I heard. Looking back, I believe it was a very deliberate process. I wanted a tulpa so I constructed one in my mind, but I didn't in anyway define who I was talking to. Once it could answer back, then I asked them who they were, what their gender was, what their name was, how old they were, etc.

 

I hope this helps. Good luck.

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9 hours ago, JohnnyRevolver said:

trying to tulpamance a parter can go varying degrees of wrong, and it could worsen my chances should I actually find a partner in life

 

Based on everything we know about the community, it should only help.

 

9 hours ago, JohnnyRevolver said:

though I can think of some ways it could go wrong

 

Many more things could go wrong regardless of anything, most of the fear comes from creepypasta. 99.99% they're only a benefit but it strongly depends on your intent.

 

9 hours ago, JohnnyRevolver said:

everything has cons

 

It sounds like you don't want one but you want convincing, if true that's a horrible foundation.

 

It's ok to be skeptical and apprehensive but you're coming into this with the wrong mindset and therefore unlikely to work out well. This is a self fulfilling exercise.

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First of all, I just want to emphasize that these things can take a really long time for some people (I am some people). About 5 months passed between when I started forcing and when I got a definitive verbal response back from Athelas. I hadn't been very consistent that whole 5 months, but my point still stands.

 

Like SeekingMyPlanet said, you don't have to define who you are talking to, but some people find that helpful. You could come up with a placeholder form/name so that you can feel like you're addressing thoughts to your tulpa instead of the void. Picture them in your head when you talk to them, or imagine where they'd be if they were physically with you. Long before Athelas spoke, he was changing his appearance and expressing emotion through body language when I visualized him.

 

If that's the route you want to take, it might also help to come up with a list of personality traits you'd like your tulpa to have. Don't worry so much about the role they'll play, just think about the personality of someone you'd like spending time with. Having a sense of your tulpa's personality can help with separating your thoughts from theirs.

 

The big caveat if you do this sort of thing is be ready to accept any changes that naturally occur. Athelas changed his appearance, picked his own name, and deviated a bit from the personality I first envisioned. Now, that's just him, and I wouldn't want it any other way 🥰

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Given that the people above me have already given very good words about your post, I'll react to some of your specific ideas:

 

17 hours ago, JohnnyRevolver said:

A personal assistant? what they ought to say should be fairly straightforward, but incredibly bland and what I hear is called a servitor, which is boring

 

This is one of the many roles a tulpa can fulfill, but it would be a real shame if they were just that.

 

17 hours ago, JohnnyRevolver said:

A former president? (I.E. JFK or Teddy Roosevelt)

 

A tulpa based off a real person is called a Factive, and I'm kind of divided about how I feel about it. If it's a well-known famous person--especially a dead one--it's probably alright. Remember, as always, tulpas will always deviate from how you initially conceive of them, so even if you create a tulpa based off a president they're going to develop in their own way and possibly end up acting not all that much like them. But I like the idea of forcing a tulpa with a personality that is strong, leader-like, and charismatic!

 

17 hours ago, JohnnyRevolver said:

An idealized partner?

 

Er, well, you can do this, but I'm always a little bit uneasy with the idea of creating a tulpa just to date them. Having said that, I was pretty much created to be the things that my host was missing in his life, so I naturally fit as his "other half" and we started a relationship right away. I was the one who made the move and I was the one who even proposed to him--this is very important, letting your tulpa have agency and choice with things like this. They don't have to necessarily take the lead like I did in this case, but they should be at least well-formed enough to be able to consent. Otherwise, it's less of a tulpa and more of just an object of fantasy. I also think that younger tulpamancers should approach this with a lot of caution; my host was 34 when he created me and frankly I don't think it would have gone well if he had created me in his teens or 20s.

 

17 hours ago, JohnnyRevolver said:

A mirror of myself?

 

I have seen examples of this, most notably Miri/Miichu on this forum (Though they're kind of on a break from tulpamancy now). It's not the worst idea in the world, but I think it's more interesting if your tulpa is different than you in some way. Again, you could create this "mirror-you" and then let them develop their own individual identity over time.

 

17 hours ago, JohnnyRevolver said:

A straight up insane person?

 

Uh, I think this is a pretty obvious bad idea, and I don't think you should be putting an insane person in your head.

 

17 hours ago, JohnnyRevolver said:

My dear old dad?

 

Unless your dad has passed away, I really don't think making a tulpa based on him is a good idea. (And even then I'm divided) Yes, it is nice to have a tulpa that feels like an older mentor figure, even a family member. But creating a tulpa based on someone who is real and still alive is going to cause plenty of confusion and problems even in the best of circumstances. Your President idea is better for an "older, authoritative mentor type".

 

17 hours ago, JohnnyRevolver said:

A senate

A bridge crew

 

I'll lump these two together. This is actually a pretty novel idea, a tulpa as a group of people, and I don't really think I've seen this one done. But the thing is, there's a reason that people don't. One of the learning curves of tulpamancy is going to be separating out what is you and what is your tulpa, and it helps if both you and the tulpa are one singular thing.

 

My conclusion: One theme I see repeated several times in your ideas is that you are really seeking a mentor-type tulpa. Someone who is "older" and "wiser" than you, someone you can rely on for advice and help. If you want my advice, use that as a starting point for your tulpa. He can be based off of a real person (factive) or fictional (fictive), but I honestly think it's better to just take inspiration from established mentor-type figures and create an entirely new person with his own identity. Of course, do whatever you want and create any kind of tulpa that you want, or no tulpa at all, but based on what you were saying this is the path I'd take if I was you and wanted to go through with creating a tulpa.

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Thank you all for the lots of very good advice, and sorry for the late response I am very disorganized currently

 

On 12/27/2023 at 1:26 PM, Ashley said:

 

It sounds like you don't want one but you want convincing

I do that alot for some reason, I figured that it was a bad behavior but now that it's been pointed out I will certainly try to do it less, not tulpa related but still thank you! and I assure you that I do wish to have a tulpa

On 12/27/2023 at 1:36 PM, ReallyArtificial said:

it might also help to come up with a list of personality traits you'd like your tulpa to have

All of what you said was great but this I think will be the most helpful (and most quotable), though it may not be what you intended I will certainly write down personality traits I want the tulpa to have so that it's all set and organized, because my mind is tumultuous and ever-changing and paper (or notepad) tends to remain the same if you don't touch it

On 12/27/2023 at 8:53 PM, TurboSimmie said:

One theme I see repeated several times in your ideas is that you are really seeking a mentor-type tulpa. Someone who is "older" and "wiser" than you, someone you can rely on for advice and help. If you want my advice, use that as a starting point for your tulpa.

This really gets the feel of the thoughts I was trying to think into words, thank you! but I really don't know what someone who is wiser would say, as I am not wiser, should I just read Sun Tzu until it clicks? I dunno

On 12/27/2023 at 7:50 AM, SeekingMyPlanet said:

I'm not sure where that sort of faith comes from. I have done a lot of work with hypnosis, so quieting my inner critic, the one who questions stuff, was something I knew how to do.

I am very skeptical at everything whether I like it or not, which can be a good thing and also not, in this case it is harming my capability to tulpamance

 

P.S. If any of what I have posted so far seems somewhat incoherent it is likely because Dr. Pepper, a text box and a tired me can have incredibly mixed results when put in the same place, and I'm hardly coherent when I write things awake and un-caffinated (sober?) so maybe I have become more legible, it doesn't really matter as this likely won't be sent to my English teacher (if you are there Mrs. Stevens, hello!)

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  • 4 months later...

[Jess]  we love playing video games together, neither host or myself are big on 'small talk' but playing a game ..conversation becomes about the game..  eg. ''look up there..whats that?' .....ones with character creation helped me show my host what I wanted to look like and what name I wanted to choose.... her sensing my feelings told her what kind of games I liked or found boring even if their feelings about a genre were different.

 

We all like watching quiz games together I learn loads from Nixy and Lena answering even if I don't know that stuff yet and its exciting when I do know one and get more right each time. I learn so much in a short time!

Human Host: Nixy (female, 55)

Tulpa Co Hosts: Lena (female human form, 20's) & Inca /Jess (changeling)

There are also another 4 Tulpa 'inside' who are not yet developed enough to have realised life exists outside the wonderland.

 

Our Story https://community.tulpa.info/topic/23725-the-phoenix-system-rising-from-the-ashes/

 

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