Scientific evidence.

[Dicks]

Sup guys. A few months ago, while browsing 4chan, I came across a very long creepypasta dealing with a guy building a tulpa. The tulpa then proceeds to become increasingly independent and threatening and ends up controlling the original guy. I liked that story and the idea it implied (our subconscious may have real power over our mind) pleased me, even though I didn't believe one word of it of course.

 

Then, while browsing /sci/, I stumbled upon a thread dealing with tulpae very seriously . Of course the OP was being copiously flamed by /sci/ skeptics so I figured it would be interesting to find experiments giving credit to this whole tulpa theory. And I posted this:

 

I am extremely skeptic but just like parallel worlds and aliens, tulpae are cool so I would be interested if there was any solid evidence.

 

For example, you could have two subjects: a normal one and someone with an alleged tulpa, and you display a subliminal image while recording their brain activity. The normal subject won't react apart from a subconscious trigger in their brain but the guy with a tulpa will have a considerably increased brain activity and his tulpa will let him know what the image was.

 

A guy then told me to go to your site and irc chat to get more information. So I did, interested to know how people could prove they had tulpae. And I was soon faced with difficulties: it's hard to trust people on chat. Of course you could believe them but that's not how scientific evidence works. My goal was to find whether people with tulpae were able to prove they could do weird stuff "normal" people couldn't do such as memorizing arbitrary numbers or texts. The problem was, according to many people, their tulpae weren't complete (and thus not able to count or remember), it was quite easy to cheat, etc.

 

So here's the point of this thread: how would you prove from a scientific point of view that there is a neuroscience reality behind people's tulpae? The brain scan would be the ultimate proof but many people don't have the resources to perform one. Here's a list of things people could do in order to prove they have extra abilities and at the very least intrigue other profane and science people:

 

- Record a random guy's brain activity and that of a guy with a tulpa. Then make them visualize a movie with a subliminal message, record their brain activities. Ask them if they saw something weird; guy with tulpa should be able to answer. At the very least, different areas of the brain should be activated when he thinks about an answer or watches the movie.

- Have a guy read a very long text then ask a completely counter-intuitive question such as: how many words are there in that text? What's the ninetieth word of that text? Since the tulpa should have unhindered access to the subject's short-term memory, it should be able to answer these ones very quickly. At the very least, have it recorded on webcam or screencaped. Ideally, compare result with that of a random guy and record brain activities.

- Have a guy with a tulpa answer to some basic (but tedious) arithmetic questions: is 4375762 dividable by 7? What's 89379 x 3493? I guess the tulpa should master some basic math concepts to answer these ones. At the very least, have it recorded on webcam or screencaped. Ideally, compare result with that of a random guy and record brain activities.

- Watch a photo for five seconds and try to remember every detail, if necessary by asking questions such as "What item was in that photo among these ones"?

 

Anyway, if you want to do experiments showing what your tulpa (if it exists) can do, you are only bounded by your imagination. The key elements must be:

- ALWAYS record the experiment. People must be able to see you perform and pass a test so they know it's foolproof.

- Repeat it. Do it with a lot of people. The larger your sample is, the more likely it is to gain notoriety and the interest of scientists. Your sample needs to be sufficiently large so people won't blame external factors leading to positive results in your experiment.

- Make sure you are totally exposing yourself in such a way that you wouldn't be able to cheat if you wanted to.

- Compare results with those of people WITHOUT tulpae, and even more importantly, compare your results with those of people with brain disorders so your tulpae won't be accidentally confused with schizophrenia or whatever.

 

Of course this will need the contribution of enough willing people. You may ask: "Why should we go through all this trouble? Just try to make a tulpa and you'll find out!" The problem is, if I attempt to make a tulpa, whether I succeed or fail to do so, my point of view will be forever biased and I won't be able to apply an objective scientific judgement on your results. This is true for anyone willing to review your experiments and giving them any scientific credibility. If you want to gain notoriety and be considered outside of 4chan, that's the way you should do it.

[Guest]

When enough people each have a tulpa, someone should arrange a meetup somewhere so the tests can be done en mass. Bring a cam.

 

Alternatively, if the tests are going to be done locally and then distributed online, I dunno. You can't trust those kind of results.

[FAQ man]

This is all well and good, but some of these tests require the cooperation of the tulpa, which is not ever guaranteed.

[Bluesleeve]

If we really ever want hard evidence, we have to go to the public. As long as we stay exclusively on the internet, this will be perceived as an "occult practice".

 

Testimonies from professionals and a general public awareness will be necessary go draw any serious approach on this topic.

 

Today's internet makes it easy to publish things. What about a book written by the Tulpa community? We will probably have to wait until other hosts get their Tulpae to gain consciousness, but a book published by one of those book-on-demand publishers is an alternative I see at the moment.

 

Assuming it is well-written and objective, this could lead to some positive attention from "the outside world"

[Pleeb]

If we really ever want hard evidence, we have to go to the public. As long as we stay exclusively on the internet, this will be perceived as an \"occult practice\".

 

Testimonies from professionals and a general public awareness will be necessary go draw any serious approach on this topic.

 

Today's internet makes it easy to publish things. What about a book written by the Tulpa community? We will probably have to wait until other hosts get their Tulpae to gain consciousness, but a book published by one of those book-on-demand publishers is an alternative I see at the moment.

 

Assuming it is well-written and objective, this could lead to some positive attention from \"the outside world\"

I'd love to see some academic papers on the subject.

 

Also, I'm a graduate, soon to start graduate school this fall, and once my Tulpa is complete, I hope to write a paper and will be more than happy to do some experiments to prove or disprove this (check the "Experiment" section in the About page on the site).

 

I'm keeping a detailed, signed, numbered, and dated laboratory/research notebook during the whole thing, as well, just so I'll have that bit more credibility when I try to go public.

 

I like the idea of these experiments, and we could even just do a livestream or something if we had people and their tulpae willing.

[Orq9000]

- Have a guy read a very long text then ask a completely counter-intuitive question such as: how many words are there in that text? What's the ninetieth word of that text? Since the tulpa should have unhindered access to the subject's short-term memory, it should be able to answer these ones very quickly. At the very least, have it recorded on webcam or screencaped. Ideally, compare result with that of a random guy and record brain activities.

- Have a guy with a tulpa answer to some basic (but tedious) arithmetic questions: is 4375762 dividable by 7? What's 89379 x 3493? I guess the tulpa should master some basic math concepts to answer these ones. At the very least, have it recorded on webcam or screencaped. Ideally, compare result with that of a random guy and record brain activities.

- Watch a photo for five seconds and try to remember every detail, if necessary by asking questions such as \"What item was in that photo among these ones\"?

Those would prove super-math skills of a subject, but not that He have them due to tulpa. Maybe if You perform them before and after the process of tulpa creation.

 

I came up with something like this. It won't solve this issue, but You don't need to find tulpa with supernatural math skill.

1. Taka a guy, who claims to have tulpa, and give him text of certain length to read and understand.

2. Check did he understood this text properly.

3. Repeat points 1 and 2 with other text, until You know his average time to read certain amount of text.

4. Present subject with mathematical problem, and another, same as previously, amount of text. Booth same time.

 

Task of subject will be to ask tulpa to solve this math problem, while he reads and understand portion of text. If after an amount of time measured in point 3, he will know answer for math problem and know content of text, this will proof dual-core brain idea.

Is this valid?

 

[Guest Dongs]

Just like when you take multiple IQ tests, you become used to them and your results become next to meaningless.

[Orq9000]

I can't agree. It's different than IQ test. While solving those test You gain new skill, to solve them. But while taking text- understanding test, You already have reading skills, and they don't develop significantly during testing time. So I assume, this effect would be negligible.

[Guest]

- Have a guy read a very long text then ask a completely counter-intuitive question such as: how many words are there in that text? What's the ninetieth word of that text? Since the tulpa should have unhindered access to the subject's short-term memory, it should be able to answer these ones very quickly. At the very least, have it recorded on webcam or screencaped. Ideally, compare result with that of a random guy and record brain activities.

- Have a guy with a tulpa answer to some basic (but tedious) arithmetic questions: is 4375762 dividable by 7? What's 89379 x 3493? I guess the tulpa should master some basic math concepts to answer these ones. At the very least, have it recorded on webcam or screencaped. Ideally, compare result with that of a random guy and record brain activities.

- Watch a photo for five seconds and try to remember every detail, if necessary by asking questions such as "What item was in that photo among these ones"?

 

Can anyone with a complete tulpa testify as to whether these would actually work?

[BFP]

I'll tell you right now your going to have a hard row to hoe doing things this way. This has been done with other forms of esoteric work. I would go through the journal of parapsychology and look through meditation, spirit mediumship and evocation. The first part of a good research project is a literature search. You need to know and research related topics which you don't appear to based on this reading. I can help you through that if your interested.

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EEG's will not reveal whats going on with Tulpa work they will only indicate the state of meditation being attained. Same was done with Astral projection and there were no significant results found. Even though people were able to coraberate information outside their bodies during the experiment. The Philp experiment was attempting to measure a different thing attempting to measure human telekinetic ability.

Here is one site. http://www.rhine.org/researchjournal.htm. You may have to go to the library and look up articles there is a reference book that can help you do that but the name I can't remember as I need a pot of coffee before that part of my head kicks in. They can get the old issues on their readers. If they can't you'll have to go through a medical library. Also if you want to do neurological measurments you need to a have a neurologist to write the scripts interpret the data and get research permissions contracts ect.

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Blue it is an occult practice. It's of Tibetian Buddist origin. The same practices were bought to the west by two women Blavenski and David-Need. They formed part of the basis of the work of Alister Crowley. It is considered an advanced form of Evocation. The theory that it's " all in your head" is also one of the major theories behind evocational practice. The practitioners are about evenly divided between those who believe the phenomenon is psychological and those that believe independent entities are involved.