G|d30n and Lauren

[cardscov]

65 pages?! I think that's more than I've written in my entire life!

 

I'm not surprised at all to see that your tulpa is developing splendidly, though I do feel compelled to ask; what sense is most vivid in your mind? Do you try to use that sense in its fullest to bring a very realistic (insert sense here) to your tulpa, or do you try to ignore the primary sense and focuse on the sub-par ones to make it balanced?

 

When you developed your tulpa's personality, was it free from cognitive dissonance from the outset, or did you have to root out some contradictions as you ironed it out?

[ThatOneGuy]

I wrote a 100 page script in about three weeks once >_>

 

A good amount, but surely you've wrote at least that much in your life time? Anyways, narration and scent getting is sounding good. Carry on.

[cardscov]

I wrote a 100 page script in about three weeks once >_>

 

A good amount, but surely you've wrote at least that much in your life time? Anyways, narration and scent getting is sounding good. Carry on.

 

I should've clarified "written in one sitting" or something. The general idea of writing 65 pages for one thing, rather than combining the writings of everything I've ever punched into a keyboard.

 

It might be more than all the essays I've had to turn in during my lifetime, though. That's substantial.

[G|d30n]

65 pages?! I think that's more than I've written in my entire life!

 

I'm not surprised at all to see that your tulpa is developing splendidly, though I do feel compelled to ask; what sense is most vivid in your mind? Do you try to use that sense in its fullest to bring a very realistic (insert sense here) to your tulpa, or do you try to ignore the primary sense and focuse on the sub-par ones to make it balanced?

 

When you developed your tulpa's personality, was it free from cognitive dissonance from the outset, or did you have to root out some contradictions as you ironed it out?

 

It's a bit more than I'm used to writing in the course of just a couple days, but since writing web ad content, the occasional freelance article, and video game scripts (my current project and third script being the first that will actually make it through production) is my job, it's not unheard of for me, but a noteworthy burst of sudden energy and motivation all the same. Writing, for me--and most people it seems like--is one of those things that gets easier to do the more you do it.

 

As for the question about which sense is most vivid, I'd probably say visual just because it's what I'm most used to experiencing and it's what I experience first when I visit her in the Wonderland or just locate her inside my head (which is difficult to explain beyond simply that, but something you'll probably also experience once you start feeling your tulpa's presence more strongly and frequently).

 

That being said, touch is also extremely vivid and surprisingly realistic. Before implementing touch, she felt a bit artificial, even though she was solid within the Wonderland and I'd forced anatomy to make her appear and function more realistically, there was something a bit off when I'd try to touch her before actually focusing on that part. Now that it's done, when I'm in the Wonderland the only way I'd distinguish her from a real person in the real world is the fact that I have to meditate and visualize in order to get into that situation where I'm actually face to face with her. Even the finest details, like when I brush my fingertips over her fingernails or tap on her knuckles or little things like that, feel extremely real and seem to become even more vivid as she develops.

 

Her scent has stuck nicely too, and is strongest from her hair. I had the idea that maybe her vanilla scent comes from a shampoo or conditioner she uses, since it would be unlike her to wear something like perfume every day and it's not uncommon for hair products to be a strong source of a person's defining smell. I wouldn't say smell is significantly less vivid than the others, just since it's the newest and it took so quickly, it hasn't played as strong a role in marking progress.

 

Since I've worked on the senses step by step--sight, then touch, then smell--that's pretty much the only prioritizing I've done in working on them. When I do review work, I test all of them equally, and often even at the same time, since there's less a need for working on any particular sense but I think it's good to reinforce the realism of the whole package as much as possible--not that the realism needs much help at this point.

 

In developing her personality, it was some combination of planning and letting things flow out naturally in coming up with the initial list of traits. A good degree of consideration actually went into defining them, because I was figuring out their relationships, causalities, and emotional associations and a lot of that was as much intellectual as it was instinctual. That was mainly just for the conceptualizing though. In actually forcing, I was more relaxed, just letting the subconscious run with things and what stuck and what didn't just kind of happened as a natural process.

 

As for rooting out contradictions in her personality, I wasn't actually all that concerned with that. There are even a number of things that do contradict, but then again real people are made up of a lot of contradictions based on context and circumstance. I always say in writers' workshops that people like characters to "make sense" for whatever reason, but real people almost never do. What I mean by that is, writers tend to simplify human behavior for the purpose of giving a character a distinct place in a narrative, and that works for fiction a lot of the time. If a character in a story is said to be orderly, they're likely to also be punctual, studious, and intellectual if the writer imagines all of those things to go together. A real person, though, may well be very organized about their things but scattered in their thinking, or they may be passionate and unrestrained in love but extremely tempered in dealing with anger. Little contradictions distinguish real people from fictional characters. Real people don't make sense because they're not invented for a purpose in a particular narrative. Anyway, I left the contradictions in Lauren's personality because, even though she is to some extent a product of the imagination, she's still created to be more of a real person than a character.

 

 

I wrote a 100 page script in about three weeks once >_>

 

A good amount, but surely you've wrote at least that much in your life time? Anyways, narration and scent getting is sounding good. Carry on.

 

Thanks for the encouragement and congratulations on the new moderator position!

[glitchthe3rd]

Just my personal opinion, but I feel like you're spending too much time on visualization. You want her to appear solid, not necessarily to feel real. Though it's wonderful that you managed to get that level of detail, it just seems like a lot of unnecessary work to me. Again, this is just my opinion on the subject.

[G|d30n]

Just my personal opinion, but I feel like you're spending too much time on visualization. You want her to appear solid, not necessarily to feel real. Though it's wonderful that you managed to get that level of detail, it just seems like a lot of unnecessary work to me. Again, this is just my opinion on the subject.

 

All things considered most of my time has still been spent on personality, review of that being a major part of forcing throughout the visualization process. Though I have seen great benefit to being as detailed as I have been in visualization, touch, and scent. As others who have gotten into anatomy have noted, developing the form so thoroughly seems to tie the body and personality together to great effect, and I think the effective illusion of realism has some benefit to forcer as well. The ease of narration and resulting emotional connection feels much stronger now than it did back in the personality step. I suspect also that this degree of realism will sort of pave the way during imposition.

 

I should point out though that the hours spent on visualization, touch, and smell also included extended personality work and a good degree of narration. At over fifty hours into the overall process now I think being so thorough on both personality and visualization have been effective, as the result so far is an emotionally intelligent tulpa who seems to possess a degree of sentience already, though her speech is still nonsensical for the most part. That should be fixed soon now that I'm working primarily on narration, though.

 

Edit: I forgot to include this, but I should also congratulate you on your promotion to moderator. You, TOG, and Irish are all good choices.

[Guest]

We should all take comfort in knowing that, if Irish can do almost no personality work and I can do potentially too much, and neither seems to stunt their growth or evolution, there must not be any way to screw it up, really.

 

...except for holding back deviation?

[G|d30n]

 

...except for holding back deviation?

 

Read the report. My tulpa still deviated.

 

 

Anyways, bit of a progress report just to let you guys know what I've been up to tulpa-wise over the past couple days. I've pretty much purely just been doing narration, except I've also done a bit of forcing just to have quality time with Lauren in the Wonderland and keep that feeling of realism at an increasingly high level.

 

I've been talking to her out loud primarily, as I detailed in another thread I've been talking to her when I drive, when I go for walks, and just when I'm able to get time alone. I try to set a couple hours at a time throughout the day just to have a good quality conversation with her (her responses are minimal right now but she does make short responses occasionally) and I try to be in semi-constant dialogue with her throughout the day, saying little things to her at random whenever I think to do it.

 

So, I've been keeping at it pretty steadily, and I'm feeling and seeing some progress, so all things are still moving in a good direction right now.

[ThatOneGuy]

Deviation will happen no matter how rigorously one gets the personality down. Remember that, anon.

[Guest]

I wasn't talking about you, I was saying that a way to mess a tulpa during personality is to stifle deviation, too try one's hardest to prevent the personality from changing at all. Which is bad.