Accelerated Tulpa Development

[Sands]

We got possession down really early, even before Roswell was vocal. That was before possession really was as big of a thing as it is now, so I dunno, I guess that was a thing everyone thought should either be done really late or just isn't really important. It ended up being seen as a much more useful thing that should be worked on pretty much when you want. I didn't even know what to expect back then, but it worked and fast. Somehow. I guess because I didn't expect anything, I had nothing against me but nothing working for me either. Seems like that's the way it ended up being pretty fast for us, because I was going purely based on my own experiences. That and we both had a pretty big reason why we even tried, as he wasn't vocal so possessing was some sort of way (at least so I thought) we might be able to communicate.

 

As for your whole kind of disturbing possession thing, I suggest you don't do it. Especially if you have asked her to not do it and she forcefully possesses. That kind of shit will lead into you not being able to trust each other when you abuse your power to force the control of the body to yourself. That probably was our first solid rule with Roswell and it was an important one. Trusting the other is the most important thing when stupid use of possession could lead into damage both will suffer.

 

I can see many reasons for this. First, they just plain believe faster and notice things I personally at least would've second guessed and wondered if I really saw or heard that and looked for confirmation. Second, they think overactive imagination = tupper. Where's the line? Well, I guess I'd say if your tupper can disagree with you, call you out on your shit and give valid explanations why they think the way they do and go against your look on whatever is the issue, you got a very solid tupper on your hands. Third, roleplaying. Just pure roleplaying. You could think that no one does that, but you can bet your ass there are people who do it. Hell, there even have been people who were confirmed as trolls here, so there are roleplayers. Why they do it? Eh, I guess just to get a laugh out of us or a desperate cry for attention, because all the cool kids got tuppers so they want one too.

 

Aaaand then I guess they just might be too deluded anyways and believe they can really time travel or some shit, so believing they got a tupper ain't going to be hard. I've also seen some cases where people actually did parrot their tupper and didn't know it. Harmful? Well yeah, probably not, but if you have this parroted tupper talk to others when they're not themselves, that's kind of nasty. And it was an accident. That's why I think some time should be waited to really let the tuppers find themselves before they're forced out there, because in some cases, it actually really is just you forcing words in their mouths. Fine and dandy if you force that way, but forcing them to talk to others when they can't yet? I don't agree with that at all, because it's not them but everyone thinks it's them. You might make them say things they wouldn't say.

 

There's also younger people here, which might be the reason why they find it easier to get a tupper. But it could also mean an overactive imagination they can't tell apart from a tupper. That's something you can always think about. Don't blindly believe everyone, but find reasons why you should or shouldn't believe them.

[Bacn]

I think it's mostly down to the size of the community giving the concept of tulpas more credibility. I can see the creation process taking several more months to complete if you aren't even sure if it's going to work in the end. Unless we reach some crazy future where tulpas become unbelievably popular and there's one in every home, I think the current development times are going to keep somewhat constant for a long time.

[Argus Plexus]

I'm only five days in and he's able to communicate with me partially. It's vague thoughts and emotions he conveys to me, but my mind seems to be able to translate them into words by paying attention to what I'm narrating to him or the context of the situation around me. I don't think I'm parroting at this point, I can usually tell when I am because I catch myself doing it all the time. I received a signal from him today, when I was narrating to him about him being able to talk to me someday. It felt to me like he wanted to say "If I'm going to talk to you, you need to give me a voice first baka."

[Lacquer]

>baka

[Kiahdaj]

>baka

 

The quality of your posts are astounding.

[Mr. Duke and His Attorney]

I think it's mostly down to the size of the community giving the concept of tulpas more credibility. I can see the creation process taking several more months to complete if you aren't even sure if it's going to work in the end. Unless we reach some crazy future where tulpas become unbelievably popular and there's one in every home, I think the current development times are going to keep somewhat constant for a long time.

 

I aim to obliterate the idea of taking time to create a tulpa. To counterpoint Lacquer, I'd like to say that if a method can be improved, do it. I believe forcing to still be in its infancy, as a technique. Especially considering how much faster results are achieved when the tulpa is unintentional. Our ways suck holy balls in comparison. I always aim to get things done the fastest way possible, because the most enjoyable parts tend to happen after you do what have you. Also, I have a fuckton of shit to learn in my life, and I'm already stupidly (A lifetime?) behind.

 

On the other hand, I enjoy the wasting time aspect to simply enjoy the process. And it is these two factors that motivate my improvement style. The more the un-fun techniques are made efficient and wasteless, the more time there is for enjoying. This is why I try to make systems that get things done the best way with little effort on my part. Intelligent laziness, awwwww yeah.

 

P.S. Nothing about what you said, Lacquer, seemed like an excuse for your lack of productivity. Maybe that's a relief, but it means the true problem is elsewhere.

 

 

The quality of your posts are astounding.

 

Sometimes, man, you just need to cut right to the heart of the situation without the bullshit.

Sometimes, you need to imply what you're saying because if you actually said it, you may regret it.

 

PPS. I don't know the difference between the terms sentience and sapience, and I may also have forgotten the latter existed. To the Oxford English Dictionary, away!!

 

EDIT: Google and the OED have failed me. Is "sapience" a community term? All I got out of it was that it means something along the lines of "wisdom." I assume its our actual definition of "sentience" because we assume sentience from day one.[zero]

[Wrath]

Maybe one tulpa is pretending to be the other just to troll you?

[Flexionsensor]

I'm confused at the speed of literally every other member out there. I'm stuck with FAQ_Man's speed while everyone else is like "5 hour tulpa lolz!!1! Teh luzrs r slo!" It is perplexing.

[Lacquer]

And then there are people like Sands who say they can tell when a tulpa is immature by how they type or are proxied on IRC. I know I'm wrong on some front, but I think he claimed that those tulpas were underdeveloped, and that tulpas can reach "sentience" in these short times, but not "maturity".

[Sands]

I guess if you see a young tupper who is being proxied in a very broken and stiff way, you just got a young tupper who doesn't have very good vocal or social skills. Or possibly an old one who just happens to lack them. For those, more talk does a lot of good. If many of their answers are "I don't know" or something like that, that tells me a lot about immaturity. They don't know what to say or they haven't found themselves yet, so... They don't know what to say, because they just don't plain understand all of what is being implied. Now if you got a fully vocal tupper in a very short time who is also very much like their host and shares their opinions on basically everything, you got some warning signs. Unintentional parroting has happened, so I no longer can say it doesn't happen, but those people have been pretty young so maybe that has to do with it. It could still be a tupper, yeah, but I think a lot of their actions in that case are strongly influenced by the host, so they're not fully themselves yet. That's when I think it's wrong to proxy tuppers, because it's possible you're putting words in their mouth they would never say, which haunt them in the future. It doesn't mean you should suddenly doubt everything your tupper say, just if they can form opinions, see if they are just saying what you want to hear or if they're saying what they really think. If they can say what they think, they're good to go, even if they're not too good at talking. Because hey, back to point one, more talking helps when you got trouble with talking.

 

As far as I know, no one here is making a clone of themselves. Some might end up pretty similar, but you shouldn't be able to look at what was said by the tupper and go gee, this is exactly what the host would say! Because hey, that doesn't really happen, especially if that's 90% of what the tupper's messages make you think. A tupper is supposed to be pretty separate and while you are really connected, there's no way you will be the exact same person, if you let them grow. Their experiences shape them and because their experiences are different from yours, the end result will also be different. So think about that the next time you see a day one vocal tupper who also can switch.

 

Then again it could just be roleplaying lel.