Little girl's Schizophrenia Induced Tulpa.

[Lacquer]

I think that tulpas are a subset of multiplicity/etc, and that calling everything under the sun with a relation to multiple consciousnesses/personalities should not be done. Why? Because it dilutes and devaluates what a tulpa is. Tulpas are formed, either intentionally or not, by effort. If people won't mind me saying, I think that some of the people here have something, but that something isn't a tulpa. It's closely related, but not exactly.

 

Schizophrenic hallucinations of characters fall outside of what a tulpa is, but within other personalities/consciousnesses. That is, unless these are just naturally occurring/arising (for someone with disordered brain chemistry and such) symbols for which the person to self-reconcile thoughts with themself.

 

This is all hypothesis here from me.

[Wrath]

How about classing them as involuntary Tulpa?

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>Lacquer (too lazy to quote)

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I also apologize for my earlier outburst, that was stupid ect.

[Lacquer]

>implying I'm 3smart7you

 

That was incoherent babbling, hence its unquotability.

[Sands]

Yea but they communicate and manifest through hallucinations right? And by hallucinations I mean involuntary imagination, E.G your tulpa just talks to you without your consent or anticipation.

 

I didn't know imagination is now considered a hallucination. Is your own headvoice a hallucination? Is your wonderland a hallucination? I'm sure the water you imagine somewhere there moves on its own without you thinking about it, is that a hallucination too? Or the birds? What if there are birds flying in the sky? I'm very much of a controller person when it comes to my imagination, sure. If something surprises me, it's a huge fucking surprise because I wasn't expecting that at all, and before this tupper thing, it didn't really happen. But there's many people I know who take a more passive role and instead just let their imagination run wild while they watch. I don't think even they would call that a hallucination.

 

You say hallucination, I think getting senses from things that aren't there. If a tupper touches you and it feels just like a touch from another person, that's a hallucination, I guess, as would be smelling them when they're not really there. But when talking about tuppers and hallucinations, sight and sound are what people are looking after. And I can tell you there's a huge fucking difference between just a headvoice and an actual auditory hallucination.

[Linkzelda]

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I think the misconception with "involuntary tulpa" and schizophrenia is seriously going to make me go mad.

 

If people want to make their own fantasies of the foundation of tulpa, that's fine, but the point being is that in the most basic definition, tulpae are thought-forms, but that doesn't mean thought forms only fall into the term "tulpa."

 

*rubs forehead* It's easy for people to start thinking that once their tulpa is formed, they start going a little too far with fantasy and what's really going on. It's just my opinion, but words like "involuntary tulpa" and trying to tie it together with what defines "schizophrenia" is just absolutely useless.

 

Just like dreaming, there are dream characters (also thought-forms, just with a different name), figments of your subconscious being projected in the dream state. Would those be considered signs of a person being schizophrenic? Absolutely not, because with that logic, everyone would be considered a schizo since everyone dreams (excluding exceptions of people with disorders that prevent them from getting reasonable sleep, but those disorders don't really matter)

 

It's simply a matter of people realizing that tulpa are thought-forms just like there's other labels for thought-forms (i.e dream characters in lucid and non-lucid dreaming).

 

It's just that when you start focusing more on their existence, their behavior, the totality of their being that it "seems" as if there's another consciousness. (But from personal experience with lucid dreaming, it's the mind making a type of convincing persona and magnifying it to an entity/being).

 

I know dreaming seems off topic here, but I think there's an obvious association between tulpa and dream characters.

 

I've read stories on people who apparently have their "spirit guides" or "astral guides" in their perception of reality, but I wouldn't say to them that they're schizo. As long as there isn't a constant disturbance in a person's mind; as long as that person is aware of what's happening, even hinting that tulpa are associations of schizophrenia is just a lack of researching what the disorder is.

 

People seriously need to realize that when you start developing your tulpa and they become consistent in their whole being, it's really just the amazing wonders of our minds, and nothing outside of that.

 

If a person is unable to control their actions, thought-forms and thoughts, and there's consistent portrayals in their perception that skews their reality, then you can say that's signs of schizophrenia.

 

Labeling "Involuntary Tulpa" is just like saying "Forced Schizophrenia" to describe what a tulpa is. We all know that's impractical and not the case. For schizo, people just have lack of control and like other people have stated, most do not want them there and there's inconsistency that is sustained much longer than normal.

 

Tulpa, at least in the collective meaning of it, is merely concentrating and putting effort into creating thought-forms that are a part of yourself. No matter what metaphorical meaning people want to put into it:

 

• We have awareness of them (How their foundation is built, etc.) along with stability that's obviously more consistent than schizophrenia.
   
  
• We have the ability to end their lives (with ease; or slightly harder, but not harder than or anywhere close to schizophrenia), but most simply do not wish to do so (and if it does happen, they're just gone or invisible to others who are optimistic).
   
  
• Whatever preconceptions and beliefs that come with our tulpa, it's based from what we experienced so far (And trust me, everything we have experienced is really underestimated for most in this forum).
   
  
• Like the point I stated above, our perception and our attachment towards experiences in our lives can influence a tulpa's actions; but things don't go down the shitter unless we make constant effort in making it so.
   
  Anxiety is honestly just allowing negative thoughts, and it's because person is in a lower state that allows them to be present; so if you constantly stream negative thoughts to your tulpa, and you start thinking it will affect them, it's because of your habit that most likely will make that happen.
   
  You are in control, whether consciously/subconsciously/unconsciously, and by that, when you become attached to how people came about labeling "Tulpa," those beliefs form in all levels of consciousness in your mind.
   
   
  

 

There's different labels for thought-forms, Tulpa's meaning has it's own upbringing just like Spirit Guides/Astral Guides/Akasic Record Guides/etc. being thought-forms with their own foundations.

 

Each have a degree of stability, but all are based on a person's perception. So all could be considered tulpa, but that's subjective, it just depends on where you first learned the foundations. Tulpa is a certain type of thought-form, but they do not constitute all types.

 

The moment people realize that, the more careful they'll be before stating "Involuntary Tulpa," "Schizo-induced Tulpa," "DID/MPD-induced Tulpa," "Jebus-induced Tulpa" or something of that nature.

 

And with tulpa, if a person in a dreaming forum or other forums tried to make associations with them, they most likely would say,

 

"Oh, that's like dream characters!"

"Oh, that's like having our dream guides being put into reality!"

"Oh, that's like having a spirit guide!"

 

So with a tulpa forum, a person like OP would state

 

"Oh! A schizo-induced tulpa!" <- If it was "schizophrenia-induced," that would fall in the spectrum of schizophrenia, not tulpa. Whether or not a person has schizophrenia, as long as they know that specific thought-form is sustained through constant awareness of them (that becomes second nature to them), they are tulpa, not "schizophrenia-induced tulpa".

 

If they wanted to make a thought-form similar to their spirit guide, it would be based on beliefs for that spectrum.

 

If they wanted to make a thought-form similar to Astral guides, same logic.

 

See where I'm getting at here? Most people get butthurt of using "thought-forms" rather than "tulpa," but seriously guys....guiseee. Work with me here!

 

Thought-forms for Tulpa's meaning had some kind of association with the foundations (mostly cherry-picking Tibetan Buddhist's perception of tulpa and leaving out the religion).

 

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I hope this might explain things better on how the thought-forms (schizophrenic thought-forms) are something, but not exactly or anywhere close like tulpa.