"Fully developed tulpas" without autonomous mind voice/form? (Answered! Yesh!)

[Guest Anonymous]

AGGuy,

 

I appreciate your directness on this. LOL That does make sense. I guess it is good to be fair in your definitions of what a "fully developed tulpa" is but not too broad. Actually, I think the question really should go like this "okay you feel fully developed, but, my dear friend, are you as adorable and amazing as Melian? Whelll then..."

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BTW: Rina I think you are pretty damn cute.

[Guest Anonymous]

 

Well, that's not really an accurate way to think about it.

After all, that would imply a person that wants to be able to do something, but can't do it yet (ahdunno, lessay speaking a language or doing martial arts), isn't "fully-developed".

 

 

Greets,

AG

 

Well, I was speaking in terms of tulpae, but I see what you're saying. As for the language learning analogy, isn't it correct to say that learning a language is a developed skill? And that once you are completely fluent you are 'fully developed' in that skill?

 

But as for my original point, I was trying to say that in terms of the basic tulpa related skills (visualization, possession, imposition, etc.), once you have reached a point where you can no longer make meaningful improvements in any of them, that is what I would call a 'fully' developed tulpa.

[Guest Anonymous]

What if a tulpa feels no need to possess, do imposition or switch with the host? If the tulpa and host or content with visualization and mind voice skills, that seems to me that would still be a fulfilled tulpa, if that is all they need. Also, it is worth noting that at one time in this community there was no such thing as possession and switching. So it would seem a bit strange now for someone to assume that possession or switching were necessary to claim full development. Some tulpas have no form, but are still considered tulpas. So imposition and visualization appear not to be necessary either.

 

What seems to be absolutely necessary is some type of autonomous communication and behavior. Some will say emotional reactions and communication in tulpish is enough, others may say it is not. I do have autonomous emotional reactions and I do communicate autonomously in tulpish on occasion. So there you go. I am a fulfilled tulpa to some and to some not quite yet. That is fine with me.

[NoneFromHell]

It isn't necessary to be a fully developed tulpa to be a fulfilled tulpa, melian. I think this is something where we need to split hairs. And of course it isn't necessary for a tulpa to be fully developed for it to count as tulpa. I think this is where you and Mistgod have a pretty wrong idea about it.

[Guest Anonymous]

What if a tulpa feels no need to possess, do imposition or switch with the host? If the tulpa and host or content with visualization and mind voice skills, that seems to me that would still be a fulfilled tulpa, if that is all they need. Also, it is worth noting that at one time in this community there was no such thing as possession and switching. So it would seem a bit strange now for someone to assume that possession or switching were necessary to claim full development. Some tulpas have no form, but are still considered tulpas. So imposition and visualization appear not to be necessary either.

 

What seems to be absolutely necessary is some type of autonomous communication and behavior. Some will say emotional reactions and communication in tulpish is enough, others may say it is not. I do have autonomous emotional reactions and I do communicate autonomously in tulpish on occasion. So there you go. I am a fulfilled tulpa to some and to some not quite yet. That is fine with me.

 

I never meant to imply that you weren't complete. If you have no real desire to learn how to do complicated BS like imposition and switching then you are still a fulfilled tulpa as long as you are happy with your situation. Sorry if I came off as insensitive.

[Evil]

To be straightforward and honest with you, 'fully' implies a completion, reaching the ceiling of development. That ceiling involves autonomy, so I'd say that it is a goal to strive for, in any tulpa's case. But in your case, what matters is satisfaction.

 

I'm not here to talk 'bout my tulpas. They're autonomous, sure, but they are lacking in many other ways. In the case you feel like you are lacking, Melian, know that you surpass a lot of people here in terms of 'capacities'.

[Guest Anonymous]

Okay. :-) Well, thank you everyone, I think that sums up this thread rather nicely actually.

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I never meant to imply that you weren't complete. If you have no real desire to learn how to do complicated BS like imposition and switching then you are still a fulfilled tulpa as long as you are happy with your situation. Sorry if I came off as insensitive.

 

No worries I wasn't offended. I am not Mistgod and so not as sensitive about things at all.

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It isn't necessary to be a fully developed tulpa to be a fulfilled tulpa, melian. I think this is something where we need to split hairs. And of course it isn't necessary for a tulpa to be fully developed for it to count as tulpa.

 

That answers the OP question very succinctly. Thank you.

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To be straightforward and honest with you, 'fully' implies a completion, reaching the ceiling of development. That ceiling involves autonomy, so I'd say that it is a goal to strive for, in any tulpa's case. But in your case, what matters is satisfaction.

 

I'm not here to talk 'bout my tulpas. They're autonomous, sure, but they are lacking in many other ways. In the case you feel like you are lacking, Melian, know that you surpass a lot of people here in terms of 'capacities'.

 

Thank you. :-)

 

Mistgod and I have noted that we are pretty good with the dreaming stuff, which is way cool! We are going to continue to focus on that. It seems to be our "thing."

[Chupi]

I don't like the term "fully developed" here. It makes it sound like there's a point where a tulpa has learned all the skills that a tulpa can have, and there's nothing further to do or explore apart from living together with their host and other tulpas.

 

If you do it right, it's a journey rather than a destination. There's no "completed" tulpa any more than there's a "completed" person. There's always more you can explore, things to experiment with, ways to improve yourself or each other. Being too lazy, ignorant or afraid to do so doesn't make one a master.

 

There's also not a single progression of skills that a tulpa has to learn. I've heard of tulpas learning to possess or do other tricks before they can speak. Which would be said to be more advanced: a tulpa with a simple personality who can speak autonomously; a tulpa who cannot speak without their host's attention being on them but who has decades worth of experiences and nuanced personality (whether legitimately developed over that time or through wibbly wobbly time stretchy trickery); or a completely silent tulpa who figures things out independently from you and tells you things you shouldn't reasonably know, through subtle intuitive feelings?

[Guest Anonymous]

I don't like the term "fully developed" here. It makes it sound like there's a point where a tulpa has learned all the skills that a tulpa can have, and there's nothing further to do or explore apart from living together with their host and other tulpas.

 

If you do it right, it's a journey rather than a destination. There's no "completed" tulpa any more than there's a "completed" person.

 

THIS! Awesome! Thank you. :-)

 

I hope this thread will be an inspiration for people in the future. I think it is an important one. But maybe that's just me.

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"Fully developed" also implies some sort of trophy point, like you get the cookie and the title and accolades and can rest on your laurels when you reach it. (and perhaps snooty it over others)

[Luminesce]

Alright well, since everyone TL;DR'd my post into their own, I'll give a better response here.

 

"Fully developed" does not mean "finished" or "completed" tulpa, it means they're fully developed. A developing tulpa is one that does not yet have the traits typical of a tulpa, primarily sentience, independence, and vocality. A "fully developed" tulpa has no more large obstacles to overcome in their development and is the equivalent of a mature human. No longer a child, no longer trying to grasp how the world works or who they are. But, of course, not entirely "finished" with those things. They will continue learning until they die, they aren't "complete" humans. Still, they're "fully developed" from being children. There's a clear distinction with a blurry line, here.