TheShadowKnight134 February 25, 2016 February 25, 2016 First I want to know if any of these reasons are bad for creating a tulpa. As a help for lucid dreaming and astral projection. A companion for when I'm lonely to hug. A potential romantic partner but not forced Second can you share your tulpa creation process. Like an autobiography type thing. Like describe thoughts and feelings and such. How ya did it and stuff
Guest Anonymous February 25, 2016 February 25, 2016 I personally don't see anything bad in any of these reasons. My host does share/experience my feelings yes and we have shared memories. There are variations of experiences and opinions on these things on the forum I am sure. :-)
Vos February 25, 2016 February 25, 2016 Those seem fine -- it's nice that you're seeing it as a 'potential' romantic partner rather than expecting them to conform to that.
TheShadowKnight134 February 25, 2016 Author February 25, 2016 So would you both be willing to share the second part? Like in depth description?
Guest Anonymous February 25, 2016 February 25, 2016 The first part of my host's manifesto has a synopsis of my creation history here https://community.tulpa.info/thread-mistgod-and-melian-megathread?pid=128207#pid128207
Drakaina February 25, 2016 February 25, 2016 They sound like reasonable reasons. The last one strikes me as a little creepy though, personally. Even with the potential part in there listen to what it's saying. It comes across as you can't or don't want to engage in a real world relationship, so you're opening the door to have an intimate relationship with a being that lives in your head that you created. =/ I actually think it makes more sense to seek help with lucid dreaming and astral projection from someone who's skilled at such things. From what I understand tulpa can have skills outside your own, but since you don't know for sure what these activities are like, how is a being you create going to know? I think there's no substitute from learning from someone with actual experience. A close friendship is the best reason I can think if to have for making a tulpa. My Process My tulpa is still a work in progress but there are so many helpful resources here, the mentor program has been particularly helpful. After reason many guides I mashed parts together and formed a plan of attack (so to speak) that seems to be working well enough for me. I started with an idea of my tulpa, a concept for how I wanted her to be trait and personality wise. I tried to keep it loose so she had room to deviate as she develops, but I started fforcing with a bare bones of around 10 essential traits I wanted her to have. I use a combination of visual and verbal for my forcing. I meditate each day, so when I do I go into my headspace (wonderland), sit down in a calm place in my mind and visualize my tulpa next to me. Some guides mentioned using a placeholder form so your tulpa can decide their own appearance, but it was too hard for me to force at an amorphous cloud of concepts so I gave my tulpa a form and impressed as I forced that it was flexible and could change if she wanted. Then for the traits I visualize a ball of magic or energy that contains the trait, then push the ball to my tulpa. She'll hold it and I'll explain what the trait is and what purpose it serves/why it's good. Because I'm a cynic and a bit of a pessimist, and I want my tulpa to be compassionate, kind, and an idealist, I'm very careful when I'm with her to try and guard my thoughts and only send out positive and loving vibes toward her. I hope this way she'll embrace what its like to receive those feelings and be more inclined to give that feeling to others. At this point her personality is more or less settled in. I'm still working on fluent communication. I get snippets of tulpish, emotions and concepts/thoughts. She and I are learning to develop mind voices together, since my own mind usually works in tulpish by default. Narrating has been a big part of the current process. I'm trying to remember to just talk and get her (and me) used to there being words. I was trying to coax her to talk last week by saying a sentence, repeating the first half then encouraging her to finish it. This is how I've been practicing words with her. The controlled and structured format makes it easier for me to get used to words too, so it works well for us. Its been a lot of work, but every little step forward makes it feel so worth it. "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." -Arthur Conan Doyle
J.Iscariot February 25, 2016 February 25, 2016 I personally regard them as bad, because you're forcing someone in existence for your own pleasure and leisure. That someone might not even have any will to be with you, that someone might not want to do anything with what real life has to offer and much less with, no offense, someone who creates a person for their own advantage in their own mind as if it was something so simple and so 'easy' when it goes down to that sort of conception. There is simply too much 'I' going on in those reasons without any contrast to the 'they', it's like you only thought about what you wanted without thinking of stuff like 'well, what if they don't want to hug?' 'well, what if they have absolutely no interest in romance?' 'well, what if they want a life of their own without being my little bitch forever?', those are all things you need to keep in mind. And I don't feel like sharing my story because I was heavily mocked for doing that in the past. A wise man once said: 'Before judging a man, walk a mile in his shoes. After that, who cares? He's a mile away, and you've got new shoes.' Graced are those who could avoid this phenomenon. This is perhaps the worst expression of evil in humanity's history, but who am I to judge?
Tewi February 25, 2016 February 25, 2016 (More of this) Do you consider purposely searching out friends to be selfish and uncaring of whether those friends wanted to be used by you for your own means? Fair points on pointing out the primary use of "I" and not "they" in the reasoning. Lumi had in mind the desire to enable another being to experience life while creating Lucilyn and developing us. The allowance of and openness to the tulpa's later wants and needs is implied however. Nothing wrong with giving reminders, but it's not so bad that I would call those reasons "bad". Unrelated, but related. You let your own personal past experience influence your view of others (and especially the possible futures of others) too much. Your goal in increasing the thought given towards how tulpas feel is just, but the negativity associated with your own developing of those values leads to a more aggressive expression of it to others than is necessary, or even really for the best. Strictness is fine, but positive reinforcement is proven to work better than negative reinforcement. Automatically resorting to the latter is simply stressful for all involved. Hi, I'm Tewi, one of Luminesce's tulpas. I often switch to take care of things for the others. All I want is a simple, peaceful life. With my family. Our Ask thread: https://community.tulpa.info/thread-ask-lumi-s-tulpas
J.Iscariot February 25, 2016 February 25, 2016 Do you consider purposely searching out friends to be selfish and uncaring of whether those friends wanted to be used by you for your own means? Fair points on pointing out the primary use of "I" and not "they" in the reasoning. Lumi had in mind the desire to enable another being to experience life while creating Lucilyn and developing us. The allowance of and openness to the tulpa's later wants and needs is implied however. Nothing wrong with giving reminders, but it's not so bad that I would call those reasons "bad". Unrelated, but related. You let your own personal past experience influence your view of others (and especially the possible futures of others) too much. Your goal in increasing the thought given towards how tulpas feel is just, but the negativity associated with your own developing of those values leads to a more aggressive expression of it to others than is necessary, or even really for the best. Strictness is fine, but positive reinforcement is proven to work better than negative reinforcement. Automatically resorting to the latter is simply stressful for all involved. Searching, no. Creating persons for them to be my friend, yes. It's not whether they 'wanted', it's whether they 'want', and with what I know, I feel like the host just forces down 'be my friend or don't exist' on their tulpas which leaves them little to no choice. As long as people give freedom to their tulpa later on, that's all cool, but I know that people don't. People create tulpas for very specific goals and reasons more than often is it for affection and companionship, without giving it enough thought or picturing how they would be like after 5-10 years of having a tulpa (which isn't something you can blame them for since the internet phenomenon has been alive for such a short while). No matter all other things, to me, and that is limited to my personal opinion that can probably be countered by other things and yet am not willing to discuss them... it is purely and infernally selfish to create someone for such reasons. I respect you for expressing that unrelated part, actually. I'm glad someone can see it and criticize me on it, that's needed. You're partly right, 'partly' right without implying that you're wrong (because I don't want to tell nice people that they're wrong primarily as condescending as it sounds) because I personally believe that my experience (that does not make me the tulpa god, the dalai lama or anything of the type, just another dude) allows for me to issue those type of judgements. You have people who full-on agree, adhere to the mentality that 'yes you should make a tulpa for this and that purpose' without pointing out to anything wrong that could happen, to how and excuse me for saying this bloody deprived and depressing it can be to be made to serve someone's emotional needs in such an exclusive way. You are right, Tewi. I am a very negative person, and I see in black in most situations because that's how my version of reality always was, which makes me super careful regarding my own experiences. I am very negative when there are very positive people (people I do appreciate aside from the advice they tend to provide), so that creates SOME balance to the advice given. I'll be perceived as this pseudo-intellectual contrarian asshole, people will end up thinking that I'm out to set limits and boundaries, but in the end, there will be a point of view. Who am I? Do you know me? My friends call me 'Andy', but that's not my real name, there isn't a trace of who I am as a person online... might as well serve a good purpose. No matter how I come off, didn't mean to offend OP or anyone either. I had made a thread like that on reddit, criticizing people on the exact same things... it ended up with half the sub saying I was right and that they felt guilt and the other half shit-talking my ass to hell. If anyone was saying the things I said in a better way, I wouldn't say them in the first place. There are two sides to everything, and well, I'm like the embodiment of the other side. I didn't have it easy, I'm not out to make people not have it easy, I'm out to warn people of what could make them not have it easy. I'm not trying to use the argument-to-authority fallacy people tend to bring up, I'm a nobody, and I'm someone you should listen to depending on your OWN personal vision of who I am and what I do online. How I act here depicts in no way, shape or form the way I act with my tulpa or on other net communities. A wise man once said: 'Before judging a man, walk a mile in his shoes. After that, who cares? He's a mile away, and you've got new shoes.' Graced are those who could avoid this phenomenon. This is perhaps the worst expression of evil in humanity's history, but who am I to judge?
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