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I may be posting less, but I am still alive and practicing.


Thanks to Holodoc- I have this very interesting scientific article I want to share. Be warned- it is a challenging read. I am drawn to it because I find it relates to my experience of Tulpamancy- and I am hopeful that those who have seniority in terms of practicing will also find it helpful. Specifically, I believe the correlates of this study help explain why the protocols for tulpamancy are effective- or even not effective, as there are those who have practice reporting no results.


I am going to try and articulate why I find correlation to my practice. I may be completely off, and so I am open to an argument against. First, my bias- much of the initial work in my practice was scaffolding and meditation. Essentially, I was building the necessary neural bridges and linking multiple brain areas, incorporating sound, visual, tactile- etc. My bias is, most of everything we do, learn, experiences happens first and foremost on an unconscious level. If nothing else, this article reinforces that- and I can link that concept to a dozen other sources, such as all my books on Milton Erikson. My initial lack of success was trying to force conscious experience prior to having done sufficient subconscious ground work to support higher 'conscious' functioning. I am not using 'higher' to suggest that conscious experience of any one thing is superior to unconscious functioning. In terms of daily 'heavy lifting,' the bulk of meta-cognition is clearly regulated by unconscious mechanisms, which gives us the luxury to experience the conscious domains we chose to focus on. I think an argument can be made that many of us don't always choose the area we 'focus' on, but rather that is given us. (In this sense, I would argue that tulpamancers in general are more likely to be able to choose their conscious focus than non practitioners due to practicing that very thing- where to focus and 'what' to experience.) For me, there is still a significant need to tune out of external sensory data to experience Loxy. This is very clear for me- as real world demands go up or my anxiety goes up, the degree of solidity of my experience declines. It has been rare that I have been fully engaged in an external activity requiring my attentiveness and having an auditory or visual experience. I am not really hearing this is true from other tulpamancers, except for one youtube video where the narrator discussed much of his learning process was learning to sort the nuanced flavors of responses available to him.


This article is full of meta-cognition and unconscious learning. I would argue that it is supportive of parallel processing, as it seems clear we can be holding a conscious experiences while simultaneously working on a problem subconsciously. I am not pulling direct quotes from this, or other sources, to try and justify that statement. Consider it a bias if you need to, it won't invalidate my correlative experience with this study. The study is about learning. Engaging tulpamancy is about learning- a serious study in learning to enhance experiential qualities of life through variance of associations and personalities. That alone is priceless, as may  explain why tulpamancers in general have substantially higher levels of empathy. Our very practice enhances our perception of other's perspective.


I hope this article is generally helpful. Wishing everyone well.

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. Engaging tulpamancy is about learning- a serious study in learning to enhance experiential qualities of life through variance of associations and personalities. That alone is priceless, as may  explain why tulpamancers in general have substantially higher levels of empathy. Our very practice enhances our perception of other's perspective.


I hope this article is generally helpful. Wishing everyone well.

Very helpful, and yes, I totally agree with your conclusion, and I suspect that is what is behind the magic of our various results. We learn how to program our brains to recognize the other e.g. our tulpas as being inside of ourselves, and they in turn are imbued with the same capacity. This can also give perhaps some insight into the Jewish declaration Adonai Echad.   Dr. Bob

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'Dream Yoga: Illuminating Your Life Through Lucid Dreaming and the Tibetan Yogas of Sleep.' by Andrew Holecek is one of the present books I am reading. I have found some artifacts that fit well into my own practice of both dreaming and Tulpamancy. I am still working on the language set that better helps me communicate it, and it's fairly zen, but I think it might help folks in general who find themselves struggling to experience tulpas in a way that doesn't feel contrived in a scripted day dream sort of way.


Meditation is part of the practice. I have heard many folks here at TI say that, and I have resisted because I have had experiences outside of meditation, and without being particularly devoted to a meditation practice. I still resist, which is just me. I see how it fits and amplifies my experiences, both with lucid dreams and tulpamancy. It may be necessary to explore a broader understanding of meditation, as it actually a broader subject and practice than can be pinned down.


Contrary to popular belief, the goal is not to stop thinking. A quiet mind is not a non-thinking brain. The brain doesn't every turn off. It can be as diffused as a candle and as focused as a laser, but it's never off. Being quiet in thought is not absence of thought. I offer you the concept of reading as analogy to meditation. You pick up a book, turn to a page, and begin reading. Just as you can not hear someone when you are speaking over them, you can not read when thinking thoughts. You've probably experienced reading something only to discover you're asking questions or off on tangent and you have to back track to the last thing you clearly remember reading and getting back on track. This is the practice of meditation- becoming aware that your thoughts are moving, and returning to the last place you remember. The more you do this, the more adept you become of catching your inner thoughts. You may be a chapter into your narrative before you self interrupt, but with practice it become several pages, several paragraphs, eventually just word, and you're back on track. If you can self interrupt without negative or positive punishment, and just accept this is just a product of learning a new discipline, you learn this skill quickly.

The reading analogy feels right to me. Another metaphor that seems helpful, in adjacent way, is signal to noise ratio. Eyes open, interacting with the world, I can miss things when I am absorbed in my narrative. I have been known to walk into doors, or dropping things. Even without a active narrative in the mind, 'daytime' or 'normal awake mode' level of sensation awareness is a pretty loud signal, and could easily drown out the signal of a tulpa. Using props, media, sounds, or artifacts can also be a louder signal than tulpa signal. The goal of tulpamancy, is to create a signal, amplify signal over time, till you become so adapt at detecting signal, it doesn't matter if you're in a bright room all senses on line, or you're in the dark- night time awareness engaged.


Night time awareness is still awareness. The one thing you can be certain of, you may be unconscious, but your brain is still minimally tracking environmental awareness through the auditory sense. People in comas still hear. Sleep is not a coma. Between wake awareness and full sleep awareness, there is a continuum of different states that we all pass through on our way to sleep. The brain never shuts off. It mere changes the frequency, or the light of operation. REM, specially a non lucid dream- that dream signal is louder than your 'wakeful' awareness identity sense. The dream and its content can get in the way of you realizing you are you. The circumstance and narrative of that is real because the experience is solid. The dream is not you, any more than your day thoughts are you. Your day time thoughts are not you. If you practice accepting your own thoughts as a dream, you may experience a greater likelihood of realizing your dreams are dreams, and become lucid.


In order to experience a tulpa, you must get out of your own way. The thing is, it takes a great deal of effort- scaffolding, learning activities, specific meditative practice designed to invigorate tulpa, and it is quite possible that doing that overly so, tulpa may not become autonomous. I think that's a warning out there already. The way i beginning to think of this is I am not my personality. My personality may not be a tulpa in the traditional sense, but I have nurtured and associated with this identity forever. Consequently, it is a bright source and it can overwhelm other sources. So, quieting that personality is not me getting out of my way, but it's the first step. Other can't step up if I have primary on idle ready to jump in. 


Quieting my mind, like preparing to read is how I get access. It works better for me at night, in that weird space between wake and sleep, where the auditory and visual experiences happen in flashes and are so vivid that they're indistinguishable from day-time awake input. They're solid real. Part of it 'wakes' my brain so much that I loose it, just as if I get too excited in a lucid dream, I will wake to full wake mode. I have been doing this for a while now, and it is getting better. I can not make an experience happen on demand, but I can put myself in a frame of mind, that I am more likely to have a full auditory or visual experience. I suspect if I keep at this, I will eventually arrive at that signal which I identify as Loxy will be full on all the time, and she will over lap or interact with all sense information. It's not unreasonable to believe that, because all sense information is reconstructed in the brain before coming to conscious, and so her signal can just be inserted. I can go internal and interact as if I traveled to another world, and maybe that's easier for me because i have always had an innate ability to escape through day dreaming. I suspect day dreaming falls on the continuum between wake and REM, and even day dream has a spectrum from full guided to subconsciously driven material. If you accept worries or intrusive thoughts as interjections from the subconscious to keep us 'asleep' or distracted from the deeper signal, then you can appreciate lots of thing view for our awareness. 


I hope this wasn't too discursive. I want it to be helpful. Also, it's been a while since I wrote, and I just thought I would say we are still all alive and well and coping with a strange new world. Love. J and L



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I have heard a little about dream yoga recently


I have been trying to improve my meditation skill, partly to improve tulpamancy


I wonder if looking into dream yoga also would be good for these things for me


I have had similar experiences to the 7th paragraph early on but less now. Wonder if can make more of it


I hope you keep making progress with it

Creation for creation's sake.

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Hello, TB. I got distracted from reading this week, but I go further into the book, I can let you know. This author has some impressive credentials. I allow for the likelihood that i am reading more into things than warrant, but I find many of the lucid dreaming concepts he presenting, specifically focusing on awareness- fit with how i am framing tulpamancy in general. I construct of it isn't fixed, and I am having several models that i refer to. Lucidity in dreams takes work, but it pays off big time when I am successful. I think tulpamancy just takes work to have that consistency. 


There are so many ways to come at meditation, TB, I wonder if it's not about improving it but experiencing it? I do hear what you're saying. I want to improve my LD ability- I know I can do it. I have done it. I have even managed to use techniques in the dream to stay in the dream, like the spinning technique. 


Thank you for writing and sharing. I hope your practice continues to grow! Stay in touch!

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Thank you. So far it has, it seems


Going from meditating 1 hour a day to meditating 2 to 2 and a half hours a day seems to make a fairly big difference in the stabilization of my concentration. I want my concentration to become such that I can reliably enter jhanas


Some weeks ago I had an experience of meditating in a dream. I wonder if I can learn to become lucid and do that consistently, if I can get even more time in meditating, and thus get more done with it


I am glad you have experience in improving lucid dreaming. And I get distracted reading books too, thanks for being willing to inform me. The book on meditation I have also talks of developing metacognitive introspectrive awareness (basically awareness of the mind itself. Continuously being aware of what the mind is doing, and if whatever that is is pertinent to your goal) It is very helpful for not getting lost in thought in meditation and guarding against distractions, but also even helps procrastination in life I think. Otherwise it is easy to have hours of time disappear and have no idea how that happened. I imagine it would be helpful for lucid dreaming too. My dreams seem to be getting more vivid

Creation for creation's sake.

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That's pretty cool. At my best, I was doing two, 20 minute sessions of transcendental meditation, consistently for about a year. It decreased over time, and became random for a while. One of my goals is to meditate in a lucid dream. I have read more than one source say it's pure transcendence. I have experience 1 time a dissociation that involved a blue light, like sustain lightening. I had never heard of anyone else mention that- till I read Robert Wagoner's book "lucid dreaming: gateways to the inner mind." That was nearly a second transcendence- and i am wrote him, and he corresponded with me for a bit. 


I am pretty devoted to figuring out a system to have consistent episodes of lucidity, and the metacognitive approach you touch on seems to be the way the dream yoga is going, so I am working on my mindfulness in all domains. Thank you for sharing that. In addition to that, i decided to start a lucid dreaming group in my area on meetup. folks have kind of signed up, but no dialogue has occurred or meetings set.  I have thought of doing a tulpa one in the past, but between tulpa.info and reddit, I have nothing to offer. I did create a FB spot just wanting more dialogue with others, and I am not so good with keeping up with FB. I am too much in my brain most the time. :)

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I hope this finds everyone in the community well. I am still getting around. In the past, I talked about doing a video. I am closer to doing one, and will post here when I do that. I am doing some videos now and still trying to get a feel for it, the flow, my voice. Of course, Tulpa will eventually have to be a part of it. One of the rules for doing my video was keeping it positive. It is difficult to speak for 8 to 15 minutes being positive, every time. Luckily, I have Loxy in my ear to remind me of kindness. Technically, I have set up a path to discuss Loxy. My son and I tell stories to each other daily. Sometimes it's a collaboration. Our story title is 'Monster and Ghost.' Originally, Monster was modeled off "Go to Bed, Monster," a book by Kevin Cornel. He has evolved into a whither skeleton, as referenced in 'Monster School,' a Minecraft series. Whither uses 'the force' and they tag the x-file theme. Son now knows the whole theme. Ghost, of course, is Loxy.


Funniest thing, son is fixated on "Miracle on the Hudson." We take turns being passengers while Sully saves us. We are sometimes the flight attendants. We are sometimes the pilots. Monster and Ghost are in our narratives. Sometimes we're not even flying, and Captain Sully and co-pilot Jeffries play through. Oh, and in this story telling, if I break the narrative- I seriously reprimanded. "This is the Captain. Brace for impact." I tried changing that to, "This is Captain. I need a cup of coffee. We're about to have a really bad day." Nope, no! That's not what he said. 


We are still writing, still improving the craft. We have written less in the last few months, and reasonably so. Change in work protocols and volume and acuity. We lost a dear friend to cancer. 6 months goes really fast. Writing eulogies, hard. I suspect my father will succumb shortly. We had a visit and he was surprised by how many things I remembered. He shared some memories I wasn't privy to. Had to be careful about making him laugh, as it resulted in breathing treatments and morphine.


At the end of each night, when I am alone, but not alone, and she and I are going through our grateful list- I sometimes wonder, how well would I be coping if I was still in the before time, before tulpamancy. She assures me I was coping better than I give myself credit. I was at the right place and the right time for this experiment. It was the key that unlocked a universe.


She turns more than one Beatles song. 'As My Guitar Gently Weeps,' not quite her theme but this songs bring her out bigger than life every time, and that video as a meme is quite fitting. And so, I will end here, but if you want a fun, short fiction, she and I and the Beatles, well, enjoy. You don't have to join. You get two free posts a month. You will find other Loxy and Tulpa posts, sparing spaced out between rants on UFOs. :) either way, it's an alternative path to tracking us, should you ever be curious how we're doing. 


with love. sol and loxy




and if you don't know, here's my guitar, but not 'my' guitar



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