My tulpa can be seen by other people

[Ember.Vesper]

Ember: My wife's other wife claims to have some sort of psychic sensitivity. She speaks of auras and energy and has claimed for years that she senses something odd about me. So, when I had decided I would tell the household about Vesper, I first asked her to take a look around in my head and tell me what she saw. She held my head between her hands for a couple of minutes while Vesper and I chatted in mindvoice. I was extremely evasive about why I wanted her to scan me, as I had picked up on her skill at cold reading. She mentioned a few possible things she had picked up on, none of them accurate.

 

After I told her about Vesper, she claimed tulpas had crossed her mind, but she wasn't willing to mention them, because if I hadn't heard of them, she wasn't willing to be responsible for learning about them and maybe trying to make one. She also claimed the oddity she had been sensing for years was probably Vesper.

 

Iris: Months later, I was talking to my host's wife's other wife and our conversation turned to projected forms. I mentioned Ember was sitting on the bed watching us in cat shape and she said that she had sensed a presence there that she had thought might be Ember's "energy body". She did not have any awareness of Vesper standing behind me. She has always been much more willing to claim advance knowledge after a fact is confirmed than before. And yet... I have felt her magic. I do not know what it is or what it means, but her actions have caused sensations in our body that have no obvious physical explanation. My headmates think I am suggestible.

 

Ember: She's never on her own walked around, addressed, or commented our projected forms, but then the totality of what I've seen of her tells me that if she has any powers, she doesn't understand them or know what she's doing with them.

 

 

First of all. What do you mean by "real"? If a dragon tulpa is not "real" in the general sense, then neither is any other tulpa, including human ones, so the definition pertaining to dragons specifically is useless and void.

 

 

Vesper: I believe Apollo's position is clarified in Felight's Guide:

 

Note: please be aware that tulpas’ minds cannot be anything other than human. Your human brain is not going to suddenly become part-animal because your tulpa has an animal form. Your tulpa is not actually their form. Your cat tulpa does not really have a cat brain. Regard your tulpas as human, even if they have a non-human form. They share the same human brain as you do, even if they like to pretend they are something else.

 

Vesper: I identify as a vampire. A fictional vampire, mind you, but there is no pretending on my part involved in that. All of the pretending was on the part of my creator and that's finished. On the other hand, back home, I maintained the controversial position that vampires are a type of human. In this world, I understand that disqualifies me from being otherkin. So much the better; I don't find that community appealing.

 

My host identifies as a house cat. I hesitate to call that pretending either, as there are aspects of her nature and behaviour that are completely natural to her (and somewhat annoying to me) that are extremely feline. I'd rather she were human-identified, but she's a therian.

 

 

Because I, my wife, and my friend all consider ourselves dragon, fullstop.

 

 

Vesper: My host's wife's other wife's ex-wife recently moved back in. (Polyamory is very strange.) She also very much identifies as a dragon and would get draconically angry if accused of pretending.

[evgenirus]

There are so many subjects here, i just get dazzled and crawl into a ball. Can you pick one and give at least experiential testimony, relevant constructive links, or expound on it?

 

Well, I don't have much more to say about my "telepathic" experiences. They are rare, I never really tried to properly analyze them, and I only really remember a few. That's mostly because they usually happen when I'm really busy having fun with those people. I would mention that I've "read their thoughts", we would laugh a bit, return to whatever we were doing, and by the time we are done I mostly forget it even happened. I will try to properly log and analyze such happenings in the future, and that's it.

 

As for my "scientific" explanation of my telepathic episodes and seeing other's tulpas, I will only try to rephrase it for easier understanding: People always build their own internal models of other people, and use them to predict behavior to some degree. That is a fact. It is entirely possible for some of these models to be good enough to give the illusion of telepathy, as you would guess their thoughts often enough. In addition to that, if you are also really good at imposition, you might actually hallucinate a visual representation of the model you have for someone else's tulpa. That could well account for the cases when only select few people can see someone else's tulpa. This latter part is just my speculation, though I cannot see why it might be impossible for it to work like that.

 

And the last part, my "universe is a physics simulator" theory... Well, I am a software engineer. I mostly specialize in cybersecurity right now, but I generally am fascinated with all things digital and try lots of different stuff. I've tried writing large-scale physics simulators for fun. I had some hands-on experience with computational hydrodynamics and other highly parallel computations during supercomputers courses at the university. I also have some limited knowledge of quantum physics. Having said all that, in case someone needs to write a large scale physics simulator that models all the local effects precisely at the small scale, I feel like doing it similarly to how (per my understanding) our universe works makes a lot of sense. The many quirks of our universe's physics strike me as something that could be exploited to save lots and lots of computation time, compared to less quirky models. For example, instead of solving the N-body gravity problem for all the particles of the universe at once, only propagating gravitational waves at the speed of light is required, but it causes the weird relativistic effects. The total amount of computations required still makes it infeasible for any current supercomputing technologies, and it would stay like that for quite a while, and will always inevitably require huge clusters to properly simulate even small systems. But the thing is, it makes total sense that we cannot simulate sizable chunks of our universe from inside said universe. The "outside" universe that houses the supercomputing cluster that is running our universe might, for example, have much higher speed of light (which might as well be infinite), much shorter planck length, much smaller atoms and much less annoying quantum effects (unlike those that make sub-9nm microchip manufacturing an extremely huge pain in our universe). All those effects combined together may lead to an incredibly huge increase in available computation resources, even if computer architecture and size is kept more or less the same. Therefore, it just makes sense to me that our universe might actually be a physics simulator, and the very existence of relativistic and quantum physics is more or less the only reason for that belief. I haven't seen this theory anywhere else, and unless someone actually hacks the physics engine of the universe and escapes it, it makes no difference for anything inside said universe, it could as well be assumed that physics just are the way they are for no particular reason. Even if our universe is simulated, and the outer one too, and so on, there will have to be a universe that "just is" at some point.

 

And the reason I mentioned that idea of mine in the first place is mostly for a gag. With how much cheaty quirks there are in our universe (according to that theory), one might as well assume that human mind was also cheated in. To the date, no one really managed to reproduce human mind artificially, which is consistent with the mere fact that simulating sizable chunks of the universe from inside said universe is really hard. However, if the other cheats are already in place, why make a "computer" that runs human mind (i.e. our brain) inside the universe, when even more computation resources could be saved by making brains simpler and moving the real computations outside the physics simulator? And if that indeed was done, those external AI processes might well be complex enough to bug out at times, interfering with other processes or not being properly destroyed upon body death, or using leftover garbage data as initial values of uninitialized memory. The possible side effects of that could vary hugely, but actual telepathy and reincarnation are definitely on the list. That extension of my theory has quite some problems, like how the engine would identify brains that need external AI attached, especially if those brains evolved on their own, and for that reason I myself do not really buy this extended theory.

[Guest]

Very interesting. Thanks for that, it reminds me of the stuff i pondered before tulpamancy. Like exploring future predictions via time perception thinkness.

 

Tulpas are a lot more grounded, but the possibilities for mind alteration of your perception and reaction to the material world are all a matter of 'programming'. If you get into this with me, you'll forget about trying to hack the universe by any other means. This method, combining the power of 2 or more individuals to effect both perception and behavior, is absolutely real and achievable without anything physical. (In my experience.)

 

First step, love your tulpas (responsibly and platonically if you wish), next step, explore their unique perspective and you'll see subtle differences that can allow you to ignore trigger subjects, control emotions, focus, and bend the fabric of your subconsciousness to your will in many ways.

 

Remember, why hack the universe if you can make your own experience of it be basically whatever you like (because you and your tulpas hack your own brain to change the nature of what you like, the actual universe outside of your influence doesn't change.) Plus, they're awsome and super cute.

[Ranger]

I like to walk around while Imposed/visualized and try to get people's attention. Not one stranger noticed me or interacted with me. I'm still open to finding the psychics of the world, but so far shouting with a megaphone on a bus has gone nowhere.

[evgenirus]

<…> Tulpas <…> possibilities <…> forget about trying to hack the universe <…> you can make your own experience of it be basically whatever you like <…> Plus, they're awsome and super cute.

 

Yeah, I'm already 3 days in :P  And either I'm already getting signs of her being there, or I've been very oblivious before starting and now credit all the "new" experiences to her. And I can't wait to see what we'd be able to acheive together.

 

But why stop at yourself? For one, I think getting her an actual robotic avatar might well be a possibility. As far as I gathered, many tulpas learn to control body "manually" at first, by poking individual muscles, so poking some electrodes might not be that much different.

 

And as for actually hacking the universe in addiyion to your own brain, why not try? (Apart from the obvious reasons, like the risk of bricking it :/ Is that why you tried to persuade me not to hack it?) Hacking things that you don't control is extra fun! Plus, if quantum physics are to be considered an implementation detail of the engine, we already are pretty far into hacking the universe, in the wider sense of the word :P

[Guest]

I just mean, brain hacking is a whole lot more accessible.

 

Also, if you saw what was going on in my wonderland, you wouldn't waste your money on gynoids. I would have been right there in line with you a year ago though. I'm happy with my level of visualization and it keeps getting better.

[Clara]

I am kind of annoyed that it wasn't left in general discussions for at least a moment. Here's the math:

 

It is agreed that tulpamancy was derived from Tibetan Monk practice. By definition, that makes it an esoteric practice.

 

Alexandra David-Néel, anthropologist, studying Tibetan Monks learns about Tulpas and decided to give it a go. She reports back to the west, 'no shit, this really happened, and other people saw it...' People read this and do one of three things, dismiss it as folklore, accept it as real, but take out the 'metaphysical' artifacts and explore duplicating tulpas for themselves, or they believed it all and they go into a magical world where their thoughts can affect reality.

 

We will zero out the first and third camps and focus on the 2nd camp: people believe tulpas are possible psychologically, but dismiss all the other aspects. My question is, if they dismiss any part of it, why even endeavor to make a tulpa at all? More than that, if we just go with the curiosity factor, then engage tulpamancy, only to immediately discover "OMG, this shit is real!" then why doesn't that automatically result in even the remotest possibility that all of it could be real?! I mean, here we are, a fringe group trying to tell the rest of the world, this is real and we get dismissed by the majority, and yet we turn around and dismiss the very people that created it or discovered it, the monks, and the first western person to experience it and report back from the far sides of the world 'hey, there is something here...' I mean, either Alexandria had REAL experiences that was SHARED with her group, or she went native! (Translation, crazy due to boundary issues.) If every time something strange happens we put up a sign saying 'there be dragons here' to try and keep people from looking deeper, then we are no better than the other people that say tulpamancy is pure imaginational rubbish.

 

Might I also remind you, there are quite a few dragons in this tulpa-community I joined. You should be weary of posting signs, and moving post from one box to the other out of pre-supposed bias before it has fully played itself out.

Host speaking: just wanna say thank you, someone that actually understands. Already getting tired of the tulpa community due to the excessive need to avoid any metaphysical topics, when tulpamancy literally is a metaphysical practice. Been looking around for a tulpa discord or something focused on the metaphysical aspect, with no luck. Pretty sad.

[Guest]

Give us time, we're figuring out the third component, of course, not many will be able to:

 

-Accept the journey

-Put in the required work themselves

-Get past that tie to what they feel is the one and only true reality.

 

Tbh, i don't really care if there exists this third component, I don't really care if there's life after death, all I really care about is increasing the quality of our life. So if you're not having fun with this, go do something else. (Said to no one in particular, just a statement.)

[Clara]

Give us time, we're figuring out the third component, of course, not many will be able to:

 

-Accept the journey

-Put in the required work themselves

-Get past that tie to what they feel is the one and only true reality.

 

Tbh, i don't really care if there exists this third component, I don't really care if there's life after death, all I really care about is increasing the quality of our life. So if you're not having fun with this, go do something else. (Said to no one in particular, just a statement.)

 

I'm having fun with tulpamancy, sure - just want to find a community that isn't so against esoteric schools of thought.. Already planning on dipping out of communities like this one, only really sticking around for my tulpa's sake at this point :P No offense intended to anyone.

[Guest]

These communities have their own flavor, there may be luck finding small plural servers that do this, but the user base may be small. We have enough meta in our system to be interested in one if you find a good one. Pretty much any platform except twitter or snapchat, it's hard to consider going there now.

 

I'd definitely try it out if you link it here or PM me.