My tulpa can be seen by other people

[Chris-One]

But only by a select few. Is this normal?

[Srn347]

As in, people outside of your system (i.e. other humans) can actually see your tulpas? Theoretically that should be impossible, so if that is in fact the case that's quite amazing.

[Rachel Gardner]

I believe it's possible. Although I haven't heard anyone tell me they actually saw Shadow before; from experience there was a time years ago where a former friend of mine could "feel" Shadow's presence around me when we were at college together. I myself have seen and had one of my friend's headmates speak to me on random occasions... although I sometimes try to deny it. Interacting with another's system members without the host around is something I'm personally a bit touchy about but it definitely happens. Maybe not for everyone.

[solarchariot]

I feel a little tricked coming into the post... Your title says "My tulpa can be seen..." Then I get in and the first line, "no one says they've seen it, but they felt... I believe it's possible..." I am not saying I feel cheated... I am really curious. Have your friends really seen it, and you came on bold but as you were writing you anticipated negative feedback and so started to back peddle, except, you left the title because, you really want to stay committed to your experience? (Don't change it because of my observation... this, too, is interesting!)

 

I like this subject and where your thoughts seem to be. Some people will not respond well. Oh, well. That's life. But I am interested in it. If you accept Alexandra David-Néel's account, there were other people who experienced her Friar Tuck tulpa. I am not sure how she can be the herald of modern day tulpamancy without appreciating her full account. I remember reading it and thinking there was an occult kind of feel to it, but I may have been reading that into it. There is a psychological explanation for her report. Folie à deux or shared psychosis is a real thing. I have actually assessed a family that shared the same hallucinations/delusion, which is lucky me because this thing is way rare... But Alexandra was in a community that believed Tulpa's were real, they probably knew what she was doing, and what unfolded was an event that was consciously and subconsciously enhanced through subtle participation.

 

I lean towards ESP being a real thing, though, and so I don't think that can be ruled out. When one considers the research that has been done in psy, especially at the anomalous lab studies, and the fact that their research is impeccable because they are so worried about peer review finding fault in their structure that they set new standards in terms of rigidity of protocol... And it doesn't have to be magical telepathy. Brain has iron in it, and we know that humans do have connection to the earth's magnetic field, like homing pigeons, and mood is affected by changes in earth's flux... We're all connected to that. But even if we say the brain isn't a transmitter/receiver, it is an established fact that 80 percent of all communication is non-verbal... So, if we just go with that, and you're present in a room with others, and you're subtly responding to Shadow, other people may be subtly influenced to respond to the same. People tend to model/mirror who they are with, as this facilitates communication. If people are aware that you and Shadow are a team, they are more likely to be looking for evidence of Shadow's presence, and so will have an increased likelihood of responding to what you're responding to, or creating their own internal model, not quite a full tulpa of their own, but something akin, so that they're responding to their model, (interesting, i just quoted cooley the other day and this next thing fits that, (synchronicity?!)) They are not just responding to their model, but they are responding to the model that they think you are modeling...

 

As for experiencing other people's Tulpas... I only see three possibilities for this... You're responding to the knowledge of them, utilizing your own models, as exampled above... Telepathy is a real thing, with direct/indirect connections. Or, which probably is a mechanism of telepathy, Carl Jung is correct that there is a field in which all human mental activity is connected and there is more fluidity in information exchange than what the majority of folks are willing to accept, much less appreciate... Just looking at the sheer number of 'coincidences' that Jung alone writes about clearly leads a person to believe coincidence simply fails to explain what we are experiencing and documenting as a species. He came up with synchronicity in addition to the collective unconscious... but he also discusses, and this is probably not as well represented, a thing called shared reservoir of memory, in which our species shares some fundamental, hardwired information. Our complex interaction patterns, our personalities, trigger within ourselves and each other, dormant archetypes; the dramas of our lives are simply the retelling of past stories, which explains why so many stories are just re-telling of older stories, and the ones that appeal to us do so because of the particular archetype we resonate with. This, too, is a real thing, and it could be completely internal, no connection to others, but because of our shared history, are personal, subjective experience could be sufficiently close to what others experience that it might appear to be that thing no one want to talk about... ESP.

 

I would love to hear more experiences. I enjoy discussing this. It seems to me that this thing is too easily dismissed because it doesn't fit the established, materialistic dogma of our time.. but the truth is, too many people have had inexplicable experiences that defy the materialistic explanation of existence. Mark Twain wrote, not verbatim, "Life is stranger than fiction. That's because, fiction has to make sense."

[reguile]

I believe this post ought to be in the metaphysics subsection of the forum?

 

You could likely figure out a simple experiment to do at home to help figure out if others can see your tulpa, though.

 

To do this you'd have to have some groundrules.  For example, how do people see your tulpa?  Are the actions of your tulpa consistent across people, or does each person have their own interpretation and idea of where your tulpa is presently "in existence".  Could you tell your tulpa something while in one room, and have a person in the next room know what you told your tulpa with your tulpa relaying the information?

[solarchariot]

I believe this post ought to be in the metaphysics subsection of the forum?

 

 

I hear you, Reguile... But I am torn. The part of me that doesn't want to move it stems from the fact that this 'generally' comes up, especially with the new people, and just automatically boxing it in terms of metaphysics could stop a really interesting conversation from unfolding. People have experiences that don't necessarily fit a shared paradigm, but doesn't necessarily have to have a metaphysical explanation. Who was it, Tewi and Bre and I that were just trying to break down the word metaphysics and what people think that word means, and that I already lean towards the definition of what most people seem to think it means, like esoteric we are one consciousness kind of thing, and I want to box this because I want to make this into that, but maybe this should not be made that, but allow for the experience to be validated without defining what it is... Gawd, that was complex, but I am rushing out the door... I will leave moving this or not moving this to people less conflicted...

[GrayTheCat]

I believe this post ought to be in the metaphysics subsection of the forum?

 

I agree with solarchariot that the metaphysics label would effect this post. It would narrow the amount of people inteested in talking about it, especially since it would be interesting to hear the "I think other people saw my Tulpa but I don't have an explanation" stories. I would guess the metaphysics community already has an explanation.

 

As a compromise, maybe leave the thread alone and once the activity stops for a few days move it? I don't know, just an idea.

 

Anyway, Ranger likes to talk to my brother sometimes. Before either of us knew Ranger was a Tulpa, we liked to casually role play and Ranger was a character in the story. To oversimplify this, Ranger had "clones" and I more than likely parroted them. Once we both knew Ranger was a Tulpa, I asked my brother about voices in the role play and he said one of the clones I like to speak as a lot seemed like me, but the clone "Dream", the clone I always associated with the core of who Ranger was, always seemed... different. I'm not really sure if this counts as my brother "seeing" Ranger, it's more that he recognized something was up?

[solarchariot]

I am kind of annoyed that it wasn't left in general discussions for at least a moment. Here's the math:

 

It is agreed that tulpamancy was derived from Tibetan Monk practice. By definition, that makes it an esoteric practice.

 

Alexandra David-Néel, anthropologist, studying Tibetan Monks learns about Tulpas and decided to give it a go. She reports back to the west, 'no shit, this really happened, and other people saw it...' People read this and do one of three things, dismiss it as folklore, accept it as real, but take out the 'metaphysical' artifacts and explore duplicating tulpas for themselves, or they believed it all and they go into a magical world where their thoughts can affect reality.

 

We will zero out the first and third camps and focus on the 2nd camp: people believe tulpas are possible psychologically, but dismiss all the other aspects. My question is, if they dismiss any part of it, why even endeavor to make a tulpa at all? More than that, if we just go with the curiosity factor, then engage tulpamancy, only to immediately discover "OMG, this shit is real!" then why doesn't that automatically result in even the remotest possibility that all of it could be real?! I mean, here we are, a fringe group trying to tell the rest of the world, this is real and we get dismissed by the majority, and yet we turn around and dismiss the very people that created it or discovered it, the monks, and the first western person to experience it and report back from the far sides of the world 'hey, there is something here...' I mean, either Alexandria had REAL experiences that was SHARED with her group, or she went native! (Translation, crazy due to boundary issues.) If every time something strange happens we put up a sign saying 'there be dragons here' to try and keep people from looking deeper, then we are no better than the other people that say tulpamancy is pure imaginational rubbish.

 

Might I also remind you, there are quite a few dragons in this tulpa-community I joined. You should be weary of posting signs, and moving post from one box to the other out of pre-supposed bias before it has fully played itself out.

[Apollo Fire]

You're not even on the topic of the thread anymore. And, you might not know this but... our tulpas don't actually believe they are real dragons. Shocker, I know. Anyway, either keep this thread on-topic or it'll probably get split.

[Breloomancer]

So in order to prove one way or the other difinitively we are going to need to test weather people can actually see (or feel) your tulpa, without input from you.

 

The best way I can think to do this is have the person who claims to see (or feel) your tulpa go into a room, then you go into another room with a one way mirror on it so that you can see them, but they can't see you. Then your tulpa goes into the room they are in and does something, then you ask them what they saw, if you both saw the same thing, then it's real