Viceroy October 30, 2012 October 30, 2012 I was talking at-length with Pleeb last night, and he helped me cover quite a bit of new ground as a skeptic. He's a cool guy to talk to and I think he's going to make an excellent figurehead for this community due to his capability as a leader, communicator, and marketer. I must say that there are still some things concerning tulpa that I find myself simply unable to reconcile. Phrased somewhat haphazardly, how do you/your tulpa not find yourselves in a perpetual identity crisis? How do you, as a human, form a deep emotional attachment to a tulpa when its nature, at least in my opinion, would logically exclude it from being seen that way? I know it's not a popular viewpoint, and it may not be the correct viewpoint, but I can't help but see them, as a concept, as anything but tools, and toys. Nifty little tricks and conveniences to be used for selfish betterment. I just read about people getting so emotionally invested in their tulpa and how "they would give everything" for them... it's just, they're not a separate thing from you. How do you see them as something separate from you, something to whom you can give anything? They're not a "them;" they're a partitioned you. I know I'm all over the place here but it's the best phrasing I can use. I really do find all of this incredibly interesting, and the concept magnetizing, but reading of the deep emotional attachment people have to their tulpa just makes me... profoundly uncomfortable.
QB2 October 30, 2012 October 30, 2012 The goal of the tulpa process is to create a person. And you treat a person like a person. If you want a tool, servitors seem more relevant. The above post does not contain facts. q2's the host, QB's the tulpa.
probably crazy October 30, 2012 October 30, 2012 Why do you think you can have your own general? In the likely event that I post something strange or foolish, please read my name again. Tulpae: Pinkie Pie, D-Pad Birthday: October 15th, 2012, November ??, 2012 Form: Mares Stage/progress: Sentient, internal communication, extreme emotion sharing
Dreamless Window October 30, 2012 October 30, 2012 Ok. I'm going to say something that's true for a lot of tulpamancers and that could hurt some of them, and therefore I'll ask you to forgive me beforehand if this is the case. Most of us are social outcasts. We starve for human interaction. That's the reason most tulpamancers have deep emotional attachment to their tulpae (we create them as romantic companions, sons, daughters, sisters, close friends, etc.). But that doesn't mean that this is the only way to have a tulpa. I've heard people (most probably, trolls) say that they wanted a tulpa just to hurt it physically. And I've haven't heard of it, but I'm sure it's possible to create a tulpa as a worker (being you it's boss). And some food for though: A tulpa is something that, once it's finished, you have no control over. This means that it's something that thinks on it's own, acts on it's own, and talks on it's own. Is there really a difference between that and a "real" human being? Obviously, apart from it being unable to interact with the "real" world.
Viceroy October 30, 2012 Author October 30, 2012 It's possible my feelings stem from bias formed of the notion that there is only one mind/consciousness per body. As a logician I can say that this sort of division seems arbitrary - if you could take your tulpa out of your mind and put it in a human-like organism, would it be okay to treat it like a human then? (yes) - but is a tulpa TRULY fully sentient in the same way a human is? or is it merely a parallel consciousness of sorts that simulates sentience? One of the guides actually stated the latter outright. Fuck, that took a while to articulate. Maybe the whole thing just blows my mind. I don't truly know.
Sands October 30, 2012 October 30, 2012 Well I dunno man. Maybe I went crazy somewhere in the process. If anyone tries to tell you what a tupper exactly is, just ignore them. They're just spouting opinions as facts because there is no proof of their claims. Aaaaand because you're asking, in my opinion and what I have experienced (remember that I still might've gone crazy here), I don't really see a difference between us. He can handle his own things and could live our life as the master of the body, if we really wanted to do something like that. He's shown me he can, so I'll trust that. Do you believe in DID and such? I feel like this is sort of like that, just with less disorder. The THE SUBCONCIOUS ochinchin occultists frt.sys (except Roswell because he doesn't want to be a part of it)
Kadoh October 30, 2012 October 30, 2012 Whenever I talk to my Tulpae, I see them as part of myself, yes. But in some way, they are very separate. It probably just hasn't sunk in yet. My opinions are all subject to change.
Lolimancer October 30, 2012 October 30, 2012 I don't think i could love a human as much as i can love a tupper. Certainly, if you believe them not to be anything more than a part of your personality you have given voice and form to, then you might find the whole attachment thing difficult to believe/peharps akin to the love of a closet otaku with his dakimakura. Everyone tends to hold his own views about what a tupper actually is. In my opinion and basing myself in my scarce personal experience, i'm inclined to think this has more to do with DID than with playing with puppets. If you are unable to love anything that hasn't got a physical body, then sorry, but i'm going to call you a superficial person. You probably find the whole consciously-induced-DID thing difficult to believe, though, and that's understandable - until you actually experience it. Peharps, like Sands says, i've gone crazy somewhere along the process. I think it to be the good kind of crazy. In fact, i honestly don't have any reason to believe tuppers "simulate" consciousness more than the humans i see in real life do. We share a bond closer than what any human can ever gain with each other, and i think that's reason enough to treat them "as people". (Though, if you're like me, you won't exactly end up treating "as people" either, since i tend to treat people like shit). (That's a lie, Kaoru adds). ...In fact, i don't think of them as a substitute for any kind of pre-existent human bond, either.
fennecfoxx October 30, 2012 October 30, 2012 The emotional connection, it just... happens. It's almost unavoidable, I think. One thing that might be interesting to note is me and Link. He was an "accidental" tulpa created before I even knew about tulpae. We formed a strong bond fairly early on. I stepped up to the role of 'caring big sister', in a way. The two of us have always been very close, and that strong emotional bond is definitely there. I can honestly say I genuinely care about him. And you know what? All that goes back to before I knew about tulpae. He was sentient, yes, but the bond between us formed before I would have even imagined such a thing possible. Funny that, isn't it? People can also become attached to fictional characters and even objects, which I'm sure is an argument even a skeptic can understand. Deluded myself into believing my imaginary friends were real, then deluded myself into thinking they weren’t. Whatever the case, the OG gang’s still here: Host: fennec (they/them) Tulpas: Alex (he/him) and Kayleigh (she/her) Delete all memories of those who know my awkward past
probably crazy October 30, 2012 October 30, 2012 Seriously, though, a mod should move this thread to ot, progress report or st least change the thread title so it's describing the topic of discussion. In the likely event that I post something strange or foolish, please read my name again. Tulpae: Pinkie Pie, D-Pad Birthday: October 15th, 2012, November ??, 2012 Form: Mares Stage/progress: Sentient, internal communication, extreme emotion sharing
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