Kiahdaj

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As a lot of you are surely aware, there is much distaste within the community over how this site is being run. There is a large majority of you who are out of the loop, and don't know what's going on. This is resulting in everyone thinking that the only people who think that anything is wrong is a select few people who "complain over nothing".

The reality is, there is a lot of abuse by the mods here, and the only active admin does not seem to care very much. In this particular case, there is a mod who is clearly abusing his powers, and has done so multiple times within a few days. When confronted about it, Chupi, our beloved admin, does the bare minimum to even discuss it.

Here is a link to the whole log (the tl;dr version): http://pastebin.com/W6FwqcXB

 

And here are some more important snippets for those of you not willing to dedicate the time.

 

Aug 29 20:34:59 slushie is on a post deleting rampage

Aug 29 20:35:05 more 10% warnings

Aug 29 20:35:09 I swear there were 7 before I posted

Aug 29 20:35:11 fucking .info, this piece of shit

Aug 29 20:35:14 So Chupi, I wonder just how many more times Slushie gets to abuse his powers before something is actually done?

Aug 29 20:35:18 we thought it would get better

Aug 29 20:35:21 it won't

Aug 29 20:35:25 why are we so stupid

Aug 29 20:35:27 every time

Aug 29 20:35:43 you're always free to leave

Aug 29 20:35:48 i got warned for a post and i don't even know what post it was

Aug 29 20:35:53 what the fuck

Aug 29 20:36:07 chupi can you check the moderation logs or post graveyard or whatever

Aug 29 20:36:20 for Zero? sure

Aug 29 20:36:24 I really don't know whether a few posts went away

Aug 29 20:36:33 That's the spirit, Chupi. "There's obviously a problem here, but I don't feel like doing anything to fix it, so just leave if you don't like it"

Aug 29 20:43:37 why don't you ask him?

Aug 29 20:43:43 ask whom?

Aug 29 20:43:47 swashy

Aug 29 20:43:53 yeah right

Aug 29 20:43:55 he's online and he's the one who warned you

Aug 29 20:43:57 he'll always say he's right

Aug 29 20:43:57 are you serious chupi

Aug 29 20:44:13 i've had countless of arguments with swashy and that doesn't work at all

Aug 29 20:44:14 your head is so far up your ass you don't even see why this place is failing

Aug 29 20:44:15 It's like you don't know who your own staff is, Chupi

Aug 29 20:44:17 it's you guys

Aug 29 20:44:20 you guys

Aug 29 20:44:22 all your fault

Aug 29 20:44:27 keep ruining .info all you want

Aug 29 20:44:45 go to #tulpa.mods and we'll discuss it there, I don't much like being stuck between you and the person you're griping about

Aug 29 20:44:56 He's your mod

Aug 29 20:44:59 you're the admin

Aug 29 20:45:01 he did wrong

Aug 29 20:45:12 he's still not following the rules

Aug 29 20:45:18 he's not telling me what was wrong

Aug 29 20:45:24 and your entire system is rotten

Aug 29 20:45:32 But still. Keeping him as a mod after seeing how he is is your fault

Aug 29 20:45:38 if you wanted to do the right thing, you'd restore my post

Aug 29 20:45:41 I'm pretty sure he said in the warning PM

Aug 29 20:45:42 and tell me what to change

Aug 29 20:45:59 and remove my warning after giving me a speech about how there will be 1% warnings and shit

Aug 29 20:46:04 he didn't

Aug 29 20:46:08 had you read the rules and obeyed them, you wouldn't be swearing all over the place and wouldn't get the warning

Aug 29 20:46:08 he said "vulgar"

Aug 29 20:46:23 Chupi wouldn't restore my on-topic posts, either. Because there's a possibility it could have turned the thread into something he didn't like. When he could always just post saying to not discuss it any more?

Aug 29 20:46:24 he didn't say which parts were vulgar, he didn't copy any of my text to point it out

 

Aug 29 20:49:19 why couldn't swashy have just censored the words, instead of taking out whole chunks?

Aug 29 20:49:54 why is swashy even mod

Aug 29 20:49:55 Do the right thing chupi

Aug 29 20:49:58 restore the post

Aug 29 20:50:02 tell me what I gotta change

Aug 29 20:50:07 make my warning less severe

Aug 29 20:50:14 sands I reconstructed the thread

Aug 29 20:50:15 you have the text, why don't you?

Aug 29 20:50:23 oh okay if woflo did it already

Aug 29 20:50:24 no need

Aug 29 20:50:26 http://pastebin.com/Zs7ry8bQ

Aug 29 20:50:31 but it's your job chupi

Aug 29 20:50:33 the right thing would be unmodding swashy

Aug 29 20:50:36 your mod fucked up

Aug 29 20:50:41 your job to fix it

Aug 29 20:50:45 and get rid of the powerabusing mod

Aug 29 20:50:55 this is the 100th time i've seen people complain about swashy doing excessive shit

 

Aug 29 20:56:45 chupi doesn't care

Aug 29 20:56:47 also you guys are hostile to me 100% of the time, why do you expect me to be very helpful to you?>

Aug 29 20:57:03 telling you you fucked up is hostile?

Aug 29 20:57:07 because you are the admin?

Aug 29 20:57:10 no

AAug 29 20:57:20 everything else you do in here related to me

Aug 29 20:57:31 Because something has to change and you're refusing to see the problem?

Aug 29 20:57:36 You are the admin

Aug 29 20:57:41 you have responsibilities

Aug 29 20:57:46 which is keeping your mods in check

Aug 29 20:57:58 you go to a place that everyone shits on you and try to stay friendly for long

Aug 29 20:58:07 .info?

Aug 29 20:58:10 you mods against us?

Aug 29 20:58:19 when we try to tell you shit is wrong and we get warned?

Aug 29 20:58:19 this chan was hostile to me long before I was an admin

Aug 29 20:58:22 yeah sounds right

Aug 29 20:58:39 We aren't hostile towards you, chupi

Aug 29 20:58:43 orly?

Aug 29 20:58:51 Before you were an admin, we were annoyed at your googirl shit

Aug 29 20:59:04 Now, you are the admin

Aug 29 20:59:07 you are responsible

Aug 29 20:59:10 know what, I'm done with this chan

Aug 29 20:59:11 * Goopi (~Chupi@Rizon-F6382200.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) has left (Leaving)

 

So as you can see, a mod deleted posts for no justified reason, and when asked to, Chupi refused to restore either my, or Sands' posts. Zero didn't ask for his unjustifiably deleted posts to be restored.

In Sands' case, his posts were deleted because of "excessive vulgarity". This accusation is debatable, and moreover, has not been the cause for warns to him at any point in the past.

At any rate, even if this were a reasonable accusation, Chupi refused to give Sands the opportunity to edit out the vulgarity himself. Censorship was forced, and not negotiated.

 

And when we attempted to hold Chupi accountable for that which he is responsible, he took it as an attack and stormed out, without any sort of resolution. Even if we did happen to be in the wrong, he as the admin owes it to us to talk it out, so that we might see so. Instead, when things got a little "heated" for him, he left. Because he doesn't want to deal with these problems.

 

This is just one example. I do not have the time, nor the will to post all of that which has been happening so often around here. I just felt the need to post this little bit to hopefully shed a little more light on the issues going on around here, and the apathy of the only person who has the power to do anything about it.


"If this can be avoided, it should. If it can't, then it would be better if it could be. If it happened and you're thinking back to it, try and think back further. Try not to avoid it with your mind. If any of this is possible, it may be helpful. If not, it won't be."

 

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If by petty you mean pretty, you're right. This is the kind of stuff everyone needs to read.


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The posts in the QA topic were deleted because they were off the topic of the thread and only started because Sands felt like taking a shot at a moderator again. The post that was edited and warned for vulgarity was because every sentence doesn't need "fucking" in it. It was excessive. All I did to that paragraph was remove those words.

 

Kiahdaj, your post in the itbegins.png thread (if that's the one you're referring to) was deleted for being unconstructive. Just quoting two posts above you (basically just going "^this") is unconstructive.

 

I don't know which of Zero's supposedly deleted posts you're referring too, unfortunately.


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And you didn't tell the people what exactly was wrong with their posts because? You must've had a reason so it would be easy to type out what exactly is the problem so the users you warn actually know it. And you did not let anyone to edit their own posts instead of deleting huge chunks/them entirely because? And you're a mod again because?


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I can start telling people exactly what was wrong with their posts in the future. I don't have all that much experience with forum moderation yet, admittedly. And no, I don't just let people edit their own posts when there's rule violations in them. That's not how it works. I remove the violation first. If a mod deletes your post, and they tell you exactly what was wrong with it (again, admittedly something I should do), then you're welcome to resubmit it after making changes to it to be in line with the rules. But no, we don't tell you what you did wrong and then just wait for you to fix it.


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Not only did you not give anyone the opportunity to edit their post, but after I PMd you after receiving a warn, you wouldn't even respond, telling me what it is I did wrong. Because I'm just supposed to intuitively know what I did wrong, right? It's your job to tell me, so that I don't do it again.

Or do you just like giving out warns so much that you want me to make the same mistake twice?

 

I wasn't even referring to "itbegins.png". So apparently you've deleted posts that I didn't even know about? That's cool.

I was referring to the thread in which I spoke of Sands not being the only one who has distaste for this community.

You can't possibly tell me it was off-topic, because the OP in fact asked about the community's animosity.


"If this can be avoided, it should. If it can't, then it would be better if it could be. If it happened and you're thinking back to it, try and think back further. Try not to avoid it with your mind. If any of this is possible, it may be helpful. If not, it won't be."

 

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But I don't have copies of my own post on hand because I don't think they'd get deleted? How am I going to remove what was wrong (which you didn't even tell me exactly) and then repost it when I don't have the post? Why don't you tell me that there are couple of nasty words I gotta change so I can go back and change them just like that?


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In response to Kiahdaj.

 

I'm confused as to why you're not posting quotes of the posts you made or at least talking more about them, rather than talking in great, great detail about what happened in IRC. The point of focus should be what you're claiming was abuse of power, and the only specifics I can see in your post relating to that are these portions:

 

In Sands' case' date=' his posts were deleted because of "excessive vulgarity". This accusation is debatable, and moreover, has not been the cause for warns to him at any point in the past.[/quote']

 

Why is it debatable? What were the contents of the post? How much vulgarity was in it, specifically? Whether or not it's been the cause for warnings in the past, it's explicitly against at least two sections of the rules (1.8 and 1.8.2) and could be against other sections too, depending on interpretation.

 

At any rate' date=' even if this were a reasonable accusation, Chupi refused to give Sands the opportunity to edit out the vulgarity himself. Censorship was forced, and not negotiated.[/quote']

 

It's clearly against the rules, as I said above, and the moderator who edited the post could simply have deleted it altogether. Editing out what was offensive and giving a warning about it seems to be the obvious course of action, as asking the user to edit it themselves would just give users yet another opening to push the rules with. I also reference the last sentence of Slushie's most recent post.

 

As you said, this was just one example, and you didn't provide any meaningful details about it, but instead focused on the after-conversation with Goopi as if it self-validates the claims of abuse of power.

 

P.S. I reference this post: http://community.tulpa.info/thread-rules?pid=25175#pid25175

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The core issues in that discussion were another moderator's editing of Sands' post, that he got a warning for vulgarity, and that there have been posts deleted and warnings given in the thread "itbegins.png".

 

We do reserve the right to delete or edit your posts as we see fit to make them comply with the rules. However, our edits do not prevent you from re-editing it however you like, so long as it remains rule-compliant. As you can see in the linked pastebin, but not in the excerpts in this thread, I pointed this out to Sands and gave him the original content of his post so he could edit it as he pleased. I was promptly ignored and chastised for not using Pastebin to send five lines.

 

A warning is just that: a warning. Warnings are not punishment as some here seem to view them. It's a reminder to follow the rules as posted here. If you heed the warning, it does nothing and is just a number next to your name that nobody else can see. Then after some time it expires and your warning level returns to zero. If you don't heed it and continue doing what you were doing, your warning level increases until it triggers some action such as post moderation or a temporary ban. That is the punishment.

 

Sands argues that we should instead give people a warning that they are about to get a warning, then give a warning if they keep it up. I think this is somewhat silly. A similar effect would be had from simply giving smaller warnings. Also, it's not like the rules weren't posted for all to read. Nobody here is being punished or warned for a secret rule.

 

I do understand that there's a discrepancy. Sands has always used plenty of vulgarity in his posts, and has not been warned for it before. Now we are beginning to crack down on this sort of thing in order to reduce the spammy, 4channy appearance of the forum. We do not need to warn people that rules that have been in place and should have been followed before, are now going to be enforced. Nor are we punishing people for breaking them. We are warning them that if they continue to break the rule, there will be consequences.

 

Also Sands argued with me that his use of the word "fuck" is not vulgar. I refer readers to this image linked from the rules section about vulgarity (1.8.2). It's a survey result in which 71% of people considered that word very severe, and 22% fairly severe. Less than 1%, less than 25 respondents, considered it not swearing.

 

As for itbegins.png, the posts were deleted because they were quite spammy. There was some serious and productive discussion in that thread, and those posts remain. The deleted posts were along the lines of suggesting changing the tulpa.info tagline to "we tried", continued joking regarding that, and posts consisting of "/community" and similarly non-constructive /b/-style banter. Said posts were deleted and warnings were given. If people want to have discussions like that, they can use the Off-topic board. But please keep it out of General Discussion and other on-topic, publicly visible areas or it will be deleted.

 

In that discussion I was being thrown a new message every few seconds by different people. The accusation that I do not care because I was not responding is more from being given too much to answer all at once than a lack of caring. When I did respond, I was often ignored and asked the same thing again in different words. Eventually I got pretty annoyed and left the channel.

 

But I don't have copies of my own post on hand because I don't think they'd get deleted? How am I going to remove what was wrong (which you didn't even tell me exactly) and then repost it when I don't have the post? Why don't you tell me that there are couple of nasty words I gotta change so I can go back and change them just like that?

 

Please refer to the lines in the log where I gave it to you and you complained about me not using pastebin.


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