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[split from] GAT Complaints General - What is legitimate behaviour on #tulpa.info?

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By trolling the official IRC channels, you make the community as a whole -- and by extension, tulpamancers in general -- look bad. We would ban anyone who did what you guys did there. It makes it worse that you're GATs and in waffles' case, a GAT manager. You're in a position where we extended you some power over the community: the power to dictate which guides will be in the spotlight. This gives you a certain amount of image of authority on the subject, and makes you more of a representative of the community than an ordinary user. As such, you should act the part.

I neither appeared in #tulpa.info in my capacity as GAT manager nor even in the name I use in that capacity. Anyone who knows who I am and what I do as a GAT manager will probably not care a whole lot about what I do outside of that, as well as be able to form a well-informed opinion of both me and the community at large.

 

And if this is about who is potentially watching in that channel, rest assured I'm pretty sure no-one saw. The channel is disused and no-one speaks in there for most of the day. You do point every newcomer to the newer channels on the new server.

 

 

You expect us to act professional when dealing with you. Act as you wish to be treated.

No, Chupi, I don't expect you to treat me professionally when I have 'giraffe' in my name. If you think you should treat that seriously, then maybe that's the problem. In any case, the same thing as what I said above applies here too. You treat the GAT manager seriously, and you don't the giraffe. It's pretty easy to tell the two apart.

 

 

Giraffe trolling is most certainly not professional, especially when you continue the act when confronted about it. Heck, you're still doing it by continuing to insist that your trolling was sincere.

Sands is already arguing this with you so I won't open a second front. But in my view it's harmless fun. You're casting it in a negative light rather unfairly.

 

But hey, criticise the GAT when I start posting giraffe puns in guide reviews. Until then, I think you shouldn't be complaining here.

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Well, because Chupi wants to be off-topic, let's.

 

We all know you were trolling, and anyone reading the log of it that I posted will reach the same conclusion. Some small portion may have been serious, but it was almost all troll.

 

Really, you know we are trolling when we, in fact, weren't? You have the logs of #tuppers, where we constantly said we'll be on-topic. That apparently means we decided to troll. Being on-topic. Talking about tulpas. Which is why I believe Skye didn't post the logs anywhere after he seemed to threaten us about how he knew and implied like he had a way to prove it, except he didn't. So he couldn't really post a log about something that didn't show us talking about trolling at all.

 

Circlejerking and joking about tulpas is not on topic, and does not belong in the channel for serious tulpa discussion.

 

Us starting the conversation, Avalanche telling few tips he has learned this far:

[17:09:15] So how about them girulpas?

[17:09:28] going well

[17:09:29] you?

[17:09:37] I'm having a bit of a tough time

[17:09:40] You should be the one to tell us

[17:09:43] Because you just started

[17:10:02] Wanna tell us about narration and what you have learned

[17:10:02] Well, you know

[17:10:04] early days

[17:10:07] Sure

[17:10:09] and all the questions and problems you had

[17:10:14] you need to feel

[17:10:27] Feel what?

[17:10:29] and you need to stick with it and keep going, and don't just ignore everything early on.

 

Myself starting the chat about how Roswell's first vocal responses felt, later on waffles talks a bit about his first vocal responses. Not ignoring is a major tip, which is a good one. Waffles has his tasting tulpas joke, but tasting them is actually a really good imagination practice. I suggest you try it.

[17:10:41] Ignoring is silly

[17:10:48] Like I told you some time ago

[17:10:53] feeling is related to tasting

[17:10:59] So many points in the whole process where I could have ignored stuff, you know?

[17:11:01] feeling is tasting with the tongue

[17:11:05] I mean

[17:11:08] I didn't really feel like it was ALIEN or anything

[17:11:12] feeling is tasting with the mind

[17:11:21] tasting is feeling with the tongue

[17:11:27] and I sure wasn't going to blindly believe because that's stupid too

[17:11:27] What if I taste my tongue?

[17:11:36] you can't taste your tongue

[17:11:38] but just allowing it to exist and listening is really good you know?

[17:11:51] you don't have to believe or doubt

[17:11:53] yeah. when I first got responses I wasn't all oh hey shit

[17:11:56] just let it be

[17:12:05] I was kind of "okay" and carried on what I was doing

[17:12:05] you can listen

[17:12:07] yeah

[17:12:09] Take it slow and steady?

[17:12:10] and I did pay attention to them

[17:12:13] but I wasn't like

[17:12:15] obsessive

[17:12:17] * SkyeWint yawns

[17:12:23] OMG VOCAL NOW??? stuff didn't happen

[17:12:28] it was very gradual

 

Avalanche's concentration problems conversation, asked him if he took breaks like he was suggested or if we should try to find another way for him, Skye ruins the conversation after this so I never found out:

[17:13:14] Your first response probably doesn't feel like it's legit

[17:13:19] yeah

[17:13:37] but if you ignore it and never accept anything that feels like it, you're kinda shooting yourself in the hoof

[17:13:54] That isn't my main problem you see.

[17:13:57] Mm. There's a difference between "girulpas" and "tulpas". Just like there's a difference between "discussion" and "trolling".

[17:13:59] Well not yet

[17:14:00] For me, it's the long forcing sessions.

[17:14:05] Hint.

[17:14:05] yeah

[17:14:07] Hint.

[17:14:12] did you try to take breaks yet?

[17:14:13] If I lie in bed, I might fall asleep

[17:14:14] there's a difference between a channel filled with giraffes and a dead channel though

[17:14:19] if I sit, my neck starts to hurt

[17:14:19] You said you haven't had time to force yet

[17:14:19] not like anyone's missing out on anything

[17:14:30] I have

[17:14:36] but I haven't just been able to.

[17:14:45] right well that's the same thing

[17:14:46] I lose focus. I think about high up leaves and things.

[17:14:46] eh, you won't fall asleep if you're concentrating

[17:14:49] keep the lights on

[17:14:52] don't do it at night

[17:14:53] and so on

[17:14:55] did you try the breaks?

 

Then maybe he shouldn't have come in with a giraffe nick talking about "girulpas".

 

That is different from you having a googirl nick or calling tulpas chalupas/tupperware how?

 

From the beginning. "giraffe friends",

 

Why can't he call us giraffe friends?

 

"girulpa",

 

Again, chalupa, tupperware. Those are banned now?

 

"feeling is tasting with the mind / tasting is feeling with the tongue",

 

Hah, that's funny. And maybe philosophical. I think this could make for a good discussion somewhere.

 

"I lose focus. I think about high up leaves and things."

 

What is wrong about him thinking leaves high on the trees?

 

Need I continue?

 

Please do, I see no shitposting.

 

You know darn well when you're trolling.

 

I don't, but it's good that you, oh mighty Chupi, know exactly what I'm thinking and doing when I don't myself!

 

Claiming otherwise only makes you look like a fool.

 

Oh no saying the truth makes me look like a fool. :<<< Not like it makes Skye look like a fool for kicking and banning on-topic tulpa discussion about legitimate problems (Avalanche's off-site progress report which is much older than what happened yesterday has been linked to both Skye and Rasznir, Skye didn't say anything about it) and you brought this on him by posting logs of him acting like an idiot.

 

He wasn't trolling with you, and he most certainly wasn't as bad as you. He did however join for the sole purpose of calling out the supposed "mod abuse" and participated in the irrational anti-mod crybaby fest.

 

He asked a question and only said few lines of text. I think you are projecting here and being irrational about your anti-mod fears you have, when you act in such a rash way for few lines of text. Bannable offense now.

 

As a side note, it looks like you all got off REALLY light. According to the ban list, you got 1-day bans for this. Given that it's a repeat offense, I'm quite surprised you didn't get a month.

 

There shouldn't have been any bans. I'm not sure what made the unbans happen, but I guess I can hope that Rasznir actually listened and tried to make things well when he saw all the evidence of Skye being ridiculous. Not sure how it actually happened though.


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oh my god you fuckers are still at this

 

stop being a butthurt anti-mod circlejerk, this is exactly why i wanted there to be more than 10 members in the GAT, so this bullshit would be called out on. GAT isn't the place for discussing your anti or pro-mod shit but you should at least keep giraffe discussions out of this goddamn thread unless it relates to how you're behaving as a GAT. this goes for Chupi, Sands, and whoever the fuck else is discussing goddamn giraffe nicks. yes, you should behave professionally, but nobody is on the rizon tulpa channels anymore anyway, so it's not a big deal. and for the other side, you should stop going along with that muh irc mischief shit because it's literally toddler mentality. you'll look like an 8 year old with a proper vocabulary if you do that shit. pull your heads out of your asses and start focusing on actual problems rather than creating problems and then going "whaaat i didn't do nothing!!!" like a 5 year old who thinks nobody's seeing that he's playing dumb.

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This discussion is missing the point in my opinion. The bans were for "pushing the rules" ("to see if they break?"; which this, seems to me, pretty much was the case).

 

"Pushing the rules" is against the rules: Trying to exploit a loophole will be treated as actually breaking the rules. And, whilst I appreciate a good jape, the whole "giraffe" in-joke is kind of harassing one of the staff [for those not privy to the reference].

 

That's my understanding of it. I derp sometimes, but my opinion isn't always wrong.

 

Since we are being "open" about things these days, here's how I saw things :

  • On #tulpa.info on rizon (2014-01-04)
       (all timestamps are in EST)
       Note if it isn't obvious: giraffles is waffles and giraffnds is Sands
    
       [17:05:58] *** Joins: giraffles (~waffles@cccp.su)
       [17:06:36] *** Joins: reguile (~quassel@B1237769.2836C3E5.F4E015ED.IP)
       [17:07:57] *** Joins: giraffalanche (~Avalanche@Rizon-9735C0CF.dsl.digiweb.ie)
       [17:07:57] *** Joins: giraffnds (~Hurrdurr@Rizon-1D2CBCEE.bb.dnainternet.fi)
       [17:08:08]  Hey
       [17:08:11]  uh oh
       [17:08:12]  hey man
       [17:08:19]  sup giraffe friends
       [17:08:24]  oh hey
       [17:09:15]  So how about them girulpas?
       [17:09:28]  going well
       [17:09:29]  you?
       [17:09:37]  I'm having a bit of a tough time
       [17:09:40]  You should be the one to tell us
       [17:09:43]  Because you just started
       [17:10:02]  Wanna tell us about narration and what you have learned
       [17:10:02]  Well, you know
       [17:10:04]  early days
       [17:10:07]  Sure
       [17:10:09]  and all the questions and problems you had
       [17:10:14]  you need to feel
       [17:10:27]  Feel what?
       [17:10:29]  and you need to stick with it and keep going, and don't just ignore everything early on.
       [17:10:35]  Feel your girulpa.
       [17:10:37]  Sounds good
       [17:10:41]  you gotta feeeeeel
       [17:10:41]  Ignoring is silly
       [17:10:48]  Like I told you some time ago
       [17:10:53]  feeling is related to tasting
       [17:10:59]  So many points in the whole process where I could have ignored stuff, you know?
       [17:11:01]  feeling is tasting with the tongue
       [17:11:05]  I mean
       [17:11:08]  I didn't really feel like it was ALIEN or anything
       [17:11:12]  feeling is tasting with the mind
       [17:11:21]  tasting is feeling with the tongue
       [17:11:27]  and I sure wasn't going to blindly believe because that's stupid too
       [17:11:27]  What if I taste my tongue?
       [17:11:36]  you can't taste your tongue
       [17:11:38]  but just allowing it to exist and listening is really good you know?
       [17:11:51]  you don't have to believe or doubt
       [17:11:53]  yeah. when I first got responses I wasn't all oh hey shit
       [17:11:56]  just let it be
       [17:12:05]  I was kind of "okay" and carried on what I was doing
       [17:12:05]  you can listen
       [17:12:07]  yeah
       [17:12:09]  Take it slow and steady?
       [17:12:10]  and I did pay attention to them
       [17:12:13]  but I wasn't like
       [17:12:15]  obsessive
       [17:12:17] * SkyeWint yawns
       [17:12:23]  OMG VOCAL NOW??? stuff didn't happen
       [17:12:28]  it was very gradual
       [17:12:29]  Man.
       [17:12:36]  Ah, I see.
       [17:12:37]  um excuse me
       [17:12:41]  I thought you guys had your own community to spam with giraffes.
       [17:12:42]  it's "giraffe".
       [17:12:48]  sorry now
       [17:12:49]  "man" is insulting.
       [17:12:57]  So like
       [17:13:00]  We are talking about girulpas, are we not?
       [17:13:06]  That's on topic I think
       [17:13:14]  Your first response probably doesn't feel like it's legit
       [17:13:19]  yeah
       [17:13:37]  but if you ignore it and never accept anything that feels like it, you're kinda shooting yourself in the hoof
       [17:13:54]  That isn't my main problem you see.
       [17:13:57]  Mm. There's a difference between "girulpas" and "tulpas". Just like there's a difference between "discussion" and "trolling".
       [17:13:59]  Well not yet
       [17:14:00]  For me, it's the long forcing sessions.
       [17:14:05]  Hint.
       [17:14:05]  yeah
       [17:14:07]  Hint.
       [17:14:12]  did you try to take breaks yet?
       [17:14:13]  If I lie in bed, I might fall asleep
       [17:14:14]  there's a difference between a channel filled with giraffes and a dead channel though
       [17:14:19]  if I sit, my neck starts to hurt
       [17:14:19]  You said you haven't had time to force yet
       [17:14:19]  not like anyone's missing out on anything
       [17:14:30]  I have
       [17:14:36]  but I haven't just been able to.
       [17:14:45]  right well that's the same thing
       [17:14:46]  I lose focus. I think about high up leaves and things.
       [17:14:46]  eh, you won't fall asleep if you're concentrating
       [17:14:49]  keep the lights on
       [17:14:52]  don't do it at night
       [17:14:53]  and so on
       [17:14:55]  did you try the breaks?
       [17:14:55]  I'm missing out on my beauty sleep. Have some legitimate discussion or stop.
       [17:14:56]  Hmm
       [17:15:04]  Pretty much everybody knows that you're not being honest right now ^_^
       [17:15:15]  except this is actually a legit discussion
       [17:15:18]  Uh but this is a problem Sammy has?
       [17:15:20]  We are talking about tulpas?
       [17:15:24]  giraffalanche does have these problems legit
       [17:15:25]  Excuse me now
       [17:15:27]  we're talking about his concentration problem
       [17:15:29]  this is on topic
       [17:15:32]  sorry but, please
       [17:15:37]  please now
       [17:15:39]  shtop
       [17:15:44]  "just started", say the older members that left to make their own split community.
       [17:15:52]  Yeah, he just started
       [17:15:53]  'scuse me if I don't believe you.
       [17:15:54]  I'm sorry?
       [17:15:55]  you know him right?
       [17:15:58]  I started in the new year.
       [17:16:02]  He was a part of this ages ago
       [17:16:13]  Just now came back to start a tupper again
       [17:16:14]  geez skye keep up
       [17:16:14]  I've been around since before your time, short neck.
       [17:16:29]  normally you'd have good reason to think this, I'll admit
       [17:16:32] *** giraffnds was kicked by SkyeWint (And it becomes even more obvious.)
       [17:16:34]  but in this case you are mistaken
       [17:16:37]  Gods!
       [17:16:40] *** giraffles was kicked by SkyeWint (Doesn't look like it.)
       [17:16:44] *** Joins: giraffles (~waffles@cccp.su)
       [17:16:44] *** giraffalanche was kicked by SkyeWint (severe autism)
       [17:16:54]  you can even go look at his PR on tulpanetwork though
       [17:16:54] *** Joins: giraffalanche (~Avalanche@Rizon-9735C0CF.dsl.digiweb.ie)
       [17:17:01]  it's all there
       [17:17:02]  You have a community.
       [17:17:07]  probably too much shitposting for your tastes
       [17:17:09]  but eh
       [17:17:28]  that /would/ be the issue.
       [17:17:41]  but the PR is legit
       [17:17:41]  Well I'll be.
       [17:17:47]  and full of his whining about being shit
       [17:17:49]  Now, mind going back to your own community that you made because this place doesn't allow shitposting? ^_^
       [17:17:50]  so we can't even talk on topic with the nicks we want.
       [17:17:50]  you know, as usual
       [17:18:00]  How is this shitposting?
       [17:18:12]  we were like, advising him on how to not lose concentration and shit
       [17:18:24]  This is serious
       [17:18:34]  SkyeWint, I'd appreciate you let me listen to these guys
       [17:18:45] *** Joins: Heartmender (~quora@netsplit.princess)
       [17:18:45] *** GlaD0S sets mode: +v Heartmender
       [17:18:56]  Funny. You specifically joined here to start the conversation while all in #tuppers and were talking about coming in here
       [17:19:02]  'scuse me if I don't believe you.
       [17:19:12]  #tuppers is a comedy channel
       [17:19:18]  this is where the serious discussion happens.
       [17:19:31] *** Joins: Averian (~niggaworl@Rizon-A5E19643.eastlink.ca)
       [17:19:39]  I smell mod abuse
       [17:19:51]  My nick isn't abusive or anything
       [17:19:56]  I'm talking on topic
       [17:19:59]  Hi, um....  We know you're trolling, and we don't have to justify it because you know you're trolling too.
       [17:20:06]  So quit it, aye?
       [17:20:08]  I'm talking on topic!
       [17:20:13]  Also sup Pleeb
       [17:20:26]  well not really
       [17:20:31]  this is standard advice-giving
       [17:20:33]  Ah well. No point in beating around the bush
       [17:20:40]  just everyone is a giraffe
       [17:20:44]  nothing wrong with that
       [17:21:03]  is it really bad to be a giraffe?
       [17:21:03]  Where are the rules that say you can't have an animal related nick?
       [17:21:08]  Seriously?
       [17:21:24]  It's not up for arguement because you guys are not invalids.
       [17:21:32]  Righty-o
       [17:21:39]  invalids?
       [17:21:40]  No point in continuing this
       [17:21:44]  what does being a cripple have to do with anything
       [17:22:03]  See you in a week if you decide to come back, you four (since this includes Sands)
       [17:22:04] *** SkyeWint sets mode: +bbbb *!*@Rizon-1D2CBCEE.bb.dnainternet.fi *!*@cccp.su *!*@Rizon-9735C0CF.dsl.digiweb.ie *!*@Rizon-A5E19643.eastlink.ca
       [17:22:05] *** giraffles was kicked by Yggdrasil (Banned)
       [17:22:05] *** giraffalanche was kicked by Yggdrasil (Banned)
       [17:22:05] *** Averian was kicked by Yggdrasil (Banned)
    
    

  • On #tuppers on rizon (2014-01-05)
    Time 	    Prefix    Text
    07:08:28 	JD1215 	You giraffes were fabulous
    07:08:32 	JD1215 	10/10
    07:10:20 	Matty2 	JD1215
    07:10:33 	JD1215 	what
    07:10:45 	Matty2 	http://prntscr.com/2gnu0m
    07:10:47 	Matty2 	What
    07:10:49 	Matty2 	My name
    07:10:50 	Matty2 	aaa
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    07:11:31 	Xygon 	there
    07:11:35 	JD1215 	WHAT AM I LOOKING AT
    07:11:43 	Xygon 	MY ART
    07:12:16 	JD1215 	WHAT DOES IT MEAN
    07:13:46 	Xygon 	http://prntscr.com/2gnw0f
    07:13:48 	Xygon 	dunno
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    07:17:12 	JD1215 	IUNNO WATITMEANS
    07:17:24 	Xygon 	IT MEANS
    07:17:28 	Xygon 	GOOD NEWS BOYS AND GIRLS
    07:17:32 	Xygon 	THEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY ARE HEREEEE
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    12:21:10 	Sands 	gei
    12:23:32 	giraffles 	>GATs, including a GAT Manager, probably shouldn't be trolling the chat with fake giraffe discussion.
    12:23:34 	giraffles 	:<
    12:30:32 	Sands 	I responded
    12:36:46 	Sands 	no need to feel bad over what anyone says when you're right and you know it
    12:36:51 	Sands 	and they're the ones mistaken
    12:36:54 	Xygon 	f-frt
    12:37:54 	giraffles 	I guess I'd rather just let him be all offensive and wonder why it matters
    12:38:08 	giraffles 	it was half-joke and half serious, and all in all no harm done
    12:38:08 	Sands 	oh no I'm not letting this go that easily
    12:38:14 	giraffles 	so on top of that I don't see why he should make a big deal about it
    12:38:14 	Sands 	Skye is showing bad mod characteristics
    12:38:19 	giraffles 	that's like
    12:38:23 	giraffles 	standard skye
    12:38:27 	Sands 	so he has to be told of those and made sure it never happens again
    12:38:33 	giraffles 	ea is the exact same of course
    12:38:35 	Sands 	or #.info is even shittier than it has been
    12:38:57 	giraffles 	I don't know, those are the only two active mods usually and they are pretty kick-happy
    12:38:59 	Sands 	If Skye usually kicks and bans for on topic talking
    12:39:08 	Sands 	then that's pretty fucking bad
    12:39:26 	Sands 	and such a mod needs to have their kick powers taken away until they can act like a rational human being
    12:39:30 	Sands 	capable of modding
    12:39:38 	Sands 	and understands that sometimes they are wrong
    12:39:51 	Xygon 	and suddenly
    12:39:55 	Xygon 	an echo coming from all the mods
    12:39:57 	Xygon 	"no can do"
    12:46:50 	Sands 	I'm pretty sure Rasznir would realize that some rotten shit is going on
    12:46:58 	Sands 	he's the reasonable one of them right now
    12:47:14 	giraffles 	and when you're saying that
    12:47:20 	giraffles 	you know something's gone wrong
    12:47:25 	Sands 	And actually takes critique and wants to make .info better
    12:47:26 	Sands 	yep
    12:47:46 	Sands 	I guess people like Kiahdaj and thunderclap probably would see Skye's fucked up acting but
    12:47:59 	Sands 	I don't think they as new mods+a part of #tuppers circlejerk would have any power
    12:48:13 	Sands 	better to go to the admin anyways
    12:48:55 	Sands 	So, because Rasznir has listened to my ideas in the past and actually used them to make the forums slightly better, maybe he realizes there's one huge fucking problem over at the irc
    12:49:02 	Sands 	which also should matter to him somewhat I hope
    12:49:27 	Sands 	Like seriously, you just don't kick and ban when people are actually talking about tulpas
    12:49:38 	Sands 	on a channel that has a strict stay on-topic rule
    12:50:00 	giraffles 	yes
    12:50:10 	giraffles 	the mods should lighten up for fuck's sake
    12:50:10 	Sands 	so guess we'll see
    12:50:15 	Sands 	pretty sure he read the thing
    12:50:21 	giraffles 	I actually found it difficult to speak in #topic.info without being kicked
    12:50:30 	giraffles 	like, I was trying not to be kicked
    12:50:30 	Sands 	also if the problem is the giraffe names, I can accept that as long as chupi never is goopi on #.info again
    12:50:36 	giraffles 	but it still happened twice
    12:50:39 	giraffles 	thanks ea
    12:50:54 	Sands 	because chupi is doing the same thing
    12:51:02 	Sands 	he's a slimegirl, his name is goo+chupi
    12:51:10 	giraffles 	quite right
    12:51:17 	Sands 	we're giraffes, our names are giraffe+sands and giraffe+waffles
    12:51:30 	Sands 	nothing is wrong there is nothing is wrong with chupi
    12:51:43 	giraffles 	although some of our names are more euphonic than others]
    12:51:47 	Sands 	So either the kick and ban rule is used to him too or against no one
    12:51:49 	giraffles 	ahem giraffnds
    12:51:59 	Sands 	you like it
    12:52:10 	giraffles 	giraffalanche is my favourite
    12:52:24 	giraffles 	also sands I have to correct you
    12:52:30 	giraffles 	my name is giraffe+caonimaffles
    12:52:36 	Sands 	oh sorry
    12:52:49 	Sands 	I'll be sure to use that if Rasznir asks
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    14:18:53 	@votebot 	Quenz[Quenz], you have a 'badge' in your nick. We do not tolerate them; read the rules for info. I will kick you in two minutes if you don't change your nick (/nick newnick) or leave the channel.
    14:19:24 	Quenz[Quenz] 	Heheheh....
    14:19:32 	Sands 	You heard the man
    14:19:33 	Sands 	uh, bot
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    14:20:26 	* 	Quenz sighs
    14:20:51 	Sands 	Might wanna keep the /me whoring to a minimum too, doesn't really tell us much you know
    14:20:55 	Sands 	what are you up to, then?
    14:22:52 	Quenz 	It's just a form of expression. I don't know how I was whoring. Up to, hm. Pondering on the fact some tulpamancers tulpas do stuff when they're not thinking about them, even early in development. My tulpa says nothing happens when I'm not thinking about them. Maybe that happens because I expected it to. Hmm.
    14:23:25 	Solomon 	Hey Colonel, I dreamt you were using Google+.
    14:23:42 	Quenz 	Interesting dream.
    14:23:55 	Solomon 	I don't need lies right now, Quenz.
    14:24:08 	Sands 	yes
    14:24:16 	Sands 	Well, I dunno
    14:24:36 	Sands 	you and your tupper could easily just go "welp can't do anything when not being paid attention to" so they don't even try
    14:24:43 	Sands 	it's the mind, after all
    14:24:54 	Sands 	nocebo is a thing
    14:25:18 	Sands 	How young is the tupper in question?
    14:26:23 	Quenz 	I think I'll change that assumption now though, since I've heard other tulpas chuck parties while their host isn't paying attention. My tulpa isn't that young I don't think, just underdeveloped, because I'm a slacker. Let me see... 5 months.
    14:27:46 	Sands 	well compared to your age which is in double digit years
    14:27:47 	Quenz 	I heard Fede frowns upon tulpas who are proxied, why is that? Is it because it's like a shortcut for possession or switching?
    14:27:48 	Sands 	it is super young
    14:28:01 	Sands 	I dunno if he frowns upon that
    14:28:09 	Sands 	he frown upon attentionwhoring I'd think
    14:28:19 	Sands 	which it usually turns into when people start being all
    14:28:22 	Quenz 	Quite underdeveloped compared to age though.
    14:28:27 	Sands 	well you know, maybe you've seen it
    14:28:40 	Sands 	all OMG AM TUPPER KEKEKE LET'S HAVE TEH TUPPER SEKS ^O^
    14:28:58 	* 	Quenz rolls eyes
    14:29:09 	Sands 	that's also /me whoring
    14:29:16 	Sands 	you rolling your eyes tells us nothing
    14:29:20 	Sands 	we can't answer to it
    14:29:29 	Sands 	it's not a part of the conversation
    14:29:41 	Sands 	We're using a written medium so I suggest you voice your opinions okay?
    14:30:04 	Sands 	Because maybe we want to know so we can have a conversation?
    14:30:14 	Quenz 	Not in my opinion. I assumed it told you I thought that was silly, like if I did it in real life. My tulpa was actually quite reluctant to reveal whether they were a tulpa or host.
    14:30:16 	Sands 	instead of just roleplaying our actions
    14:30:22 	* 	Sands sits on a chair
    14:30:30 	* 	Sands should go and do the laundry
    14:30:33 	* 	Sands farts
    14:30:47 	Sands 	but really, thanks for the clarification
    14:30:53 	Sands 	I had no idea before you said it
    14:31:04 	Sands 	But really, a smart tupper and host will never have problems talking to others
    14:31:15 	Sands 	or well, they might but you won't be told off for being an annoying attentionwhore, you know?
    14:31:26 	Quenz 	Yeah.
    14:31:37 	Sands 	so if the tupper wants to talk, go ahead
    14:31:44 	Sands 	badging is kind of frowned upon though
    14:31:58 	Quenz 	Obviously.
    14:32:18 	Sands 	Better to let them hog the spotlight when they talk
    14:32:27 	Sands 	I am at least gonna assume you're usually the one talking
    14:32:40 	Sands 	so if you have to share, they're not getting the time they deserve
    14:32:42 	Quenz 	At this time, yes.
    14:32:55 	Sands 	but anyways
    14:33:03 	Sands 	I think when it comes to like, being independent and stuff for tulpas
    14:33:10 	Sands 	their own attitude also affects a lot
    14:33:18 	Quenz 	I hope one day that we get around equal time.
    14:33:24 	Sands 	>the horn is all I AM A STRONG INDEPENDENT TUPPER AND I NEED NO MAN
    14:33:35 	Sands 	and so, he kind of is that way
    14:33:38 	Sands 	or at least claims so
    14:33:49 	Quenz 	I think that's better than the opposite though.
    14:33:55 	Sands 	it is kinda yeah
    14:34:06 	Sands 	his own determination is what allows him to do stuff
    14:35:37 	Avalanche 	Soup guys.
    14:36:02 	Avalanche 	I don't suppose any of you know how to ulitize the Sort and Sweep method for Axis Aligned Bounding Boxes?
    14:36:26 	Quenz 	That doesn't have anything to do with tulpas, does it?
    14:36:32 	Quenz 	In either case, no.
    14:36:36 	Quenz 	I don't.
    14:37:05 	Avalanche 	It's for a test I have tomorrow.
    14:38:51 	Avalanche 	Or, does anyone know what Utility function is?
    14:43:15 	Sands 	nope
    14:44:40 	Avalanche 	My lecturer for this subject is hopeless
    14:45:21 	Avalanche 	I'm looking over some example exam papers and there are questions here based on the stuff we've done. All the notes he's given us are just little diagrams and examples of answers, but not HOW to get those answers.
    14:45:35 	Avalanche 	I can't just google this shit either.
    14:46:22 	Sands 	the how is probably shit he taught you during classes
    14:46:39 	Sands 	anyways I'll go do the laundry
    14:47:17 	Avalanche 	He did teach us how. But that's useless if he doesn't give us notes on it. I have some notes that I took down, but am I supposed to remember everything he says during each lecture?
    14:53:54 	giraffles 	um sweep and prune is pretty simple
    14:54:14 	giraffles 	I don't know what you want to know about it, but I can explain it if you want
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    14:55:08 	giraffles 	the truth is that every algorithm with a name has at least one paper detailing how to do it in detail and at least one stackoverflow answer simplifying that paper
    14:55:18 	giraffles 	so google is your friend
    14:55:21 	Avalanche 	I tried that
    14:55:37 	Avalanche 	I have this table of numbers with A, B, C over each column
    14:55:51 	Avalanche 	and it says "Use AABB to see if a collision happens"
    14:56:08 	giraffles 	yes
    14:56:14 	Avalanche 	Apply Sort and Sweep method, not AABB
    14:56:30 	giraffles 	sort and sweep is applied to AABBs
    14:56:38 	giraffles 	I guess the table is a load of coordinates?
    14:57:14 	Avalanche 	http://i.imgur.com/g0aOcSW.png
    14:58:30 	giraffles 	um that table is a bit ambiguous for me because I don't know what those symbols mean
    14:58:32 	giraffles 	but okay
    14:58:43 	giraffles 	it gives you descriptions of three AABBs
    14:58:46 	Avalanche 	That's all it give me.
    14:58:54 	giraffles 	and you use sort and sweep to test them
    14:59:16 	Avalanche 	right. how do
    14:59:21 	giraffles 	do you remember how your professor taught you to implement AABBs?
    14:59:29 	giraffles 	actually I can guess
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    15:00:04 	Avalanche 	I don't remember
    15:00:30 	giraffles 	but I suppose he's given you a coordinate followed by extent in that direction, for three directions
    15:01:34 	giraffles 	anyway, sort and sweep is pretty simple
    15:01:35 	Avalanche 	I suppose?
    15:01:49 	giraffles 	first you take one dimension
    15:02:18 	giraffles 	and take an ordered list of start and end points for the AABBs in that dimension
    15:02:49 	giraffles 	for every start point you come across you assign them to a list of 'open' AABBs
    15:02:58 	Solomon 	Who did you "hear" that from, Quenz?
    15:03:33 	giraffles 	and for every end point you remove them from that list, plus add the AABB paired with any objects in that list to another record of pairwise collisions
    15:03:50 	giraffles 	I guess that's pretty unclear language
    15:04:17 	Avalanche 	yes
    15:04:48 	giraffles 	okay
    15:04:54 	giraffles 	you have three structures
    15:05:20 	Quenz 	Hmm? Oh. Good question.
    15:05:27 	giraffles 	one is an ordered list of minimums and maximums along one dimension, each associated with the AABB it belongs two
    15:05:33 	giraffles 	let's call it L
    15:05:58 	Solomon 	You're saying you can't answer the question? Someone wrote it and you read it.
    15:06:05 	giraffles 	the second is a list of all the AABBs whose minimums you've encountered and whose maximums you have not
    15:06:21 	giraffles 	a list of 'open' AABBs, as it were. let's call it O.
    15:06:48 	giraffles 	lastly, you have a list of pairwise collisions for further testing. that means that each object on the list has two AABBs that overlap.
    15:06:56 	giraffles 	we'll call this list P.
    15:07:01 	giraffles 	with me so far?
    15:07:14 	Avalanche 	What is P?
    15:07:22 	Avalanche 	Pairwise collisions??
    15:07:31 	giraffles 	a list of them, yes
    15:07:42 	giraffles 	O and P both start off empty
    15:07:46 	Avalanche 	Right
    15:07:58 	Solomon 	Quenz, answer me.
    15:08:06 	giraffles 	so we traverse L
    15:08:18 	Quenz 	Not sure. That's what I meant.
    15:08:31 	Solomon 	Okay. Where did you read it then?
    15:08:31 	giraffles 	and for every minimum point we encounter, we add the associated AABB to O.
    15:08:54 	giraffles 	for every maximum point we encounter, we remove the associated AABB from O, and additionally
    15:09:22 	giraffles 	we pair the associated AABB with every other AABB currently in O, and add all those pairs to P.
    15:10:03 	Avalanche 	no, what
    15:10:06 	Solomon 	Quenz, do I need to ping you every time?
    15:10:26 	Avalanche 	"we pair the associated AABB with every other AABB currently in O"
    15:10:29 	giraffles 	is the pairwise bit confusing you
    15:10:31 	giraffles 	okay
    15:10:51 	giraffles 	let's say we currently have three AABBs in O, a, b, and c
    15:11:21 	giraffles 	we've encountered b's maximum point, so we remove b from O
    15:11:34 	Quenz 	Sorry. I'm kind of preoccupied, so yes. I'm not sure of that either. Could have been ages ago.
    15:11:36 	Avalanche 	what do you mean encountered?
    15:11:56 	giraffles 	I mean going along L, that's the next point we process
    15:12:33 	giraffles 	got that?
    15:13:20 	Solomon 	Quenz: "Ages ago". I don't frown upon proxied tuppers. I frown upon the practice of spending more time proxying a tupper than actively developing it, if one still considers the tupper as being "in-development". So this would not apply to Colonel, for instance.
    15:13:26 	Avalanche 	So as we go along L, we move each minimum point to O?
    15:13:41 	giraffles 	we don't move it, exactly
    15:13:44 	Avalanche 	and when we reach the max point of that object, we move it to O and remove the
    15:13:46 	Avalanche 	oh ffs
    15:14:27 	Avalanche 	Work it through with the picture I sent
    15:14:40 	giraffles 	do you know C?
    15:15:08 	Avalanche 	It's on the table, I see it?
    15:15:20 	Quenz 	I see, you're Fede, Solomon?
    15:15:25 	giraffles 	the programming language
    15:15:31 	Avalanche 	Not really
    15:15:35 	giraffles 	well I'll go through verbally then
    15:15:57 	giraffles 	okay, so we have our three AABBs a, b and c
    15:16:04 	giraffles 	lowercase okay
    15:16:14 	Avalanche 	yes
    15:16:28 	giraffles 	we make our three lists that I outlined earlier
    15:16:44 	giraffles 	let's make objects because it's easy
    15:16:51 	giraffles 	we make a class called point
    15:17:33 	giraffles 	it has information about where it is on one axis, whether it's a min or max, and which AABB it belongs to
    15:17:36 	giraffles 	so for example
    15:17:54 	* 	Solomon /me whores and deliberately doesn't answer Quenzez queztion.
    15:18:46 	giraffles 	I'm going to assume that the first set of numbers is the x axis
    15:18:52 	giraffles 	or say it is so
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    15:19:28 	giraffles 	a's minimum on the x axis would look like {pos: 100, min: yes, BB: a}
    15:20:00 	giraffles 	and its maximum like {pos: 125, min: no, BB: a}
    15:20:07 	giraffles 	with me so far?
    15:20:40 	Avalanche 	yes
    15:21:05 	giraffles 	so we pick a dimension and fill L with all the necessary information for that dimension
    15:21:22 	giraffles 	the mins and maxes of a, b and c in that dimension
    15:21:32 	roflmao 	oh god, I expected this so much: * Topic is 'The tulpa.info Rizon channels will be muted on January 10, as they are unused at this point. Read http://pastebin.com/T69Zdp2Q. Please send a /msg to a mod if you have any questions.' * Set by SkyeWint!~Float@skye.and.winter
    15:21:42 	giraffles 	then we order all the objects on L by pos, from smallest to largest
    15:21:52 	giraffles 	that's L set up
    15:22:13 	Sands 	If we get unbent then what if we make them used?
    15:22:23 	giraffles 	the objects on O are just going to be a reference to AABBs. in this case we can just use a character.
    15:22:59 	giraffles 	and the objects in P are just going to be pairs of characters. for example, {b, c} denoting a pairwise collision between b and c.
    15:23:14 	giraffles 	O and P both start off empty. and that's our init done. still with me?
    15:23:45 	Avalanche 	yes
    15:24:09 	giraffles 	great. our main program is a loop that traverses L.
    15:24:16 	roflmao 	how'd you get banned Sands
    15:24:32 	giraffles 	for each object on L we look if it's a max or min, and act appropriately
    15:24:52 	Sands 	I think I got bent at least
    15:24:55 	giraffles 	if it's a min, we add the AABB that it belongs to to O
    15:24:57 	Sands 	for the same reason as the rest
    15:25:08 	Sands 	as in, we wee on topic and talked about tuppers and Sammy's problems
    15:25:12 	Sands 	so Skye kicked and bent us
    15:25:34 	giraffles 	for example, if our object on L is {pos: 90, min: yes, BB: b}
    15:25:45 	Avalanche 	It's minB?
    15:25:47 	Sands 	I can send you the pm I sent Rasznir about what happened
    15:25:50 	giraffles 	yes
    15:25:56 	Sands 	You want it, mayo?
    15:26:03 	Solomon 	The rest of us may not know.
    15:26:06 	giraffles 	we add the character 'b' as an object on L
    15:26:09 	giraffles 	I mean
    15:26:13 	giraffles 	as an object on O
    15:26:14 	Sands 	just too lazy to pastebin it because it has quotes and such
    15:26:17 	Solomon 	Uhhuh.
    15:26:19 	Sands 	pastebin doesn't like quotes
    15:26:25 	giraffles 	so that we know b is open, as it were.
    15:26:30 	Sands 	and I am too lazy to fix it and shit
    15:26:32 	Solomon 	Then take a screenshot.
    15:26:37 	Sands 	but it's a long post
    15:26:42 	Solomon 	Wowsers.
    15:26:48 	Solomon 	Then summarise it.
    15:26:48 	Sands 	and that would take effort fodde
    15:26:54 	Sands 	well I just did
    15:27:00 	Sands 	we went on #.info to talk about tuppers
    15:27:08 	Sands 	here we said multiple times to be on-topic
    15:27:14 	Sands 	we didn't go in to troll, but to talk about tuppers
    15:27:15 	giraffles 	if it's a max, for example, {pos: 100, min: no, BB: b}
    15:27:29 	Sands 	so we did, Sammy's concentration and narration and forcing shit was a topic
    15:27:33 	giraffles 	then what we do is remove the object 'b' from O,
    15:27:36 	Sands 	which is tulpa-related
    15:27:42 	giraffles 	and then look over O to see what's in there
    15:27:44 	Sands 	and we talked about it and then Skye was all wow such troll
    15:27:48 	Sands 	and kicked and banned
    15:28:04 	Solomon 	I figured maybe there was more to know than that in the PM, which is why I asked for the, uh, summary. I wonder if I'm pre-bent.
    15:28:05 	giraffles 	for every object still in O, we pair it with 'b' and put the pair in P
    15:28:11 	giraffles 	for example
    15:28:26 	Sands 	I just showed Rasznir the logs and some off-site info like sammy's pr
    15:28:35 	Sands 	of his questions and showing that he's legit
    15:28:39 	giraffles 	imagine that 'a' and 'c' were both also in O when we find b's max
    15:28:44 	giraffles 	they wouldn't be, by the way
    15:28:45 	giraffles 	anyway
    15:28:58 	giraffles 	we remove 'b' from O, then look at O
    15:28:58 	Sands 	and said that I'm pretty worried when a mod bans people when they talk about tulpas
    15:29:03 	Avalanche 	We would have A,C A,B C,B?
    15:29:14 	giraffles 	no, actually
    15:29:14 	Solomon 	SCARS FROM THE PAST.
    15:29:19 	Avalanche 	in P?
    15:29:33 	giraffles 	we would then add {b, a} and {b, c}
    15:29:35 	giraffles 	to P
    15:29:56 	giraffles 	do you see why?
    15:30:27 	giraffles 	we pair every object that is left in O with the object that is removed
    15:30:31 	giraffles 	so implementation wise
    15:31:05 	giraffles 	we'd traverse O and for each object we find, create a {b, [object]} pair and put the pair in P
    15:31:14 	giraffles 	that is, if we had just removed b.
    15:31:21 	giraffles 	alright?
    15:31:42 	Avalanche 	If we found bMin and then bMax, would nothing be in O?
    15:31:46 	Avalanche 	afterward?
    15:31:53 	Avalanche 	At the very start
    15:32:06 	giraffles 	that's right. on the actual table, O would be empty after we removed b max
    15:32:17 	giraffles 	but the same isn't true for other dimensions
    15:32:34 	giraffles 	take the y dimension for instance
    15:32:47 	giraffles 	when we come across c max, what gets added to P?
    15:33:06 	roflmao 	 I can send you the pm I sent Rasznir about what happened  You want it, mayo? <-- sure you can send me the logs, but I got some logs about some convo Averian had with pleeb
    15:33:10 	Avalanche 	A,C
    15:33:14 	roflmao 	which sounded much like he was just washing his hands of the whole IRC part
    15:33:27 	giraffles 	yes
    15:33:38 	Sands 	but Maria wasn't even a part of it
    15:33:41 	giraffles 	so when you're done traversing L
    15:33:43 	Sands 	unless you mean pleeb
    15:33:51 	giraffles 	you should have no objects left in O
    15:33:51 	roflmao 	I'll link in a few
    15:34:10 	giraffles 	and all overlaps on that axis will be paired in P
    15:34:36 	Sands 	also you gotta log in .info mayo
    15:34:43 	giraffles 	of course something can overlap in one or two but not three dimensions
    15:34:56 	Sands 	forwarded the pm to you
    15:35:15 	giraffles 	if objects truly intersect, their pair will come up in all three dimensions
    15:35:39 	roflmao 	https://privatepaste.com/b6113d6d15
    15:35:59 	roflmao 	Sands, to finish this week's guides? will do in a few
    15:36:00 	giraffles 	so you should apply this test for all three dimensions and identify which pairs always occur.
    15:36:07 	Avalanche 	but looking back over the table
    15:36:08 	giraffles 	that's inefficient, actually
    15:36:11 	giraffles 	but it doesn't matter
    15:36:18 	Avalanche 	how do you get that to work
    15:36:19 	giraffles 	there are no collisions
    15:36:24 	giraffles 	what do you mean?
    15:36:41 	giraffles 	the end coordinates you have to work out, yes
    15:36:46 	Avalanche 	Well what does the first column mean?
    15:37:07 	giraffles 	the position information for A
    15:37:16 	giraffles 	the first row, you want?
    15:37:42 	Avalanche 	No, the very first column
    15:37:48 	giraffles 	oh right
    15:38:06 	giraffles 	stupid symbols supposed to tell us what the rows mean
    15:38:37 	Avalanche 	yeah but??
    15:38:48 	Avalanche 	Like where do you get the min and max from then?
    15:39:03 	Sands 	no, I sent you the pm
    15:39:05 	giraffles 	well I've told you what I think the rows mean
    15:39:06 	Sands 	the one I sent to Rasznir
    15:39:12 	Sands 	it's on .info, so you gotta check it
    15:39:13 	giraffles 	the first row is the x min
    15:39:21 	giraffles 	the second is the x extent
    15:39:22 	Sands 	oh yeah
    15:39:28 	Sands 	I think that should be brought up
    15:39:29 	giraffles 	adding the extent to the min will give you the max
    15:39:47 	giraffles 	and so on for the other two dimensions.
    15:39:52 	Avalanche 	So Amin is 100, Amax is 125?
    15:40:13 	giraffles 	yes, I'm pretty sure.
    15:40:19 	giraffles 	well
    15:40:30 	Avalanche 	and then I have to do the whole thing twice more?
    15:40:30 	giraffles 	a's x min
    15:41:00 	giraffles 	yes
    15:41:15 	giraffles 	precisely how you want to test all three dimensions is up to you really
    15:41:48 	Avalanche 	Right, ok I think I have it now
    15:41:57 	Avalanche 	It's total bullshit but whatever
    15:42:31 	giraffles 	it's bullshit with three objects because you can inspect them by eye
    15:42:42 	giraffles 	but it's pretty useful in real collision detection
    15:43:07 	<-- 	roflmao (roflm@o) has quit
    15:44:06 	giraffles 	damn it sands when I said we're not complaining you're not supposed to follow it with complaining
    15:44:43 	Sands 	well chupi posted the logs of stuff I hadn't seen before
    15:44:57 	Sands 	I think it's a good idea to mention that a person just got banned for nothing
    15:46:07 	Sands 	also mena must be retarded
    15:46:54 	giraffles 	huh why wait I haven't read those logs
    15:47:09 	Sands 	><@Mena_> skye is nice
    15:49:15 	giraffles 	where's that from?
    15:49:20 	Sands 	mayo's log
    15:49:24 	Sands 	https://privatepaste.com/b6113d6d15
    15:49:28 	Sands 	also pleeb is fucking insane
    15:49:37 	Sands 	I guess I'll bring that up with Rasznir as well
    15:49:53 	Sands 	that his decision doesn't really sound sane because the entire man doesn't seem to be sane anymore
    15:50:56 	giraffles 	yeah he's all kinds of crazy now
    15:51:02 	giraffles 	I don't even know
    15:51:13 	giraffles 	tuppers fucking with his head
    15:52:05 	giraffles 	oh that reminds me how did skye get logs of #tuppers?
    15:52:11 	giraffles 	kiah? ea?
    15:53:42 	Sands 	I think he has a logger here
    15:53:45 	Sands 	plenty of idlers
    15:54:19 	giraffles 	don't see any on the nick list
    15:54:36 	Sands 	networks is a good canditate
    15:54:48 	giraffles 	he was around long before skye though
    15:54:49 	Sands 	it's not a bot but it definitely smells like a logger
    15:54:54 	Sands 	started whining when he got bent
    15:55:05 	giraffles 	I remember talking to him, yeah
    15:55:06 	Sands 	then there's also that mysamdog that is also in another channel I'm in now
    15:55:12 	--> 	roflmao (roflm@o) has joined #tuppers
    15:55:16 	giraffles 	he's a logger but he's been around a long time
    15:55:23 	giraffles 	mysamdog, maybe
    15:55:29 	Sands 	did you read the pm mayo
    15:57:06 	Avalanche 	<@Averian> they are the thalmor of tulpa community
    15:57:08 	roflmao 	will do in a few, I had to reboot
    15:57:09 	Avalanche 	lol
    15:57:14 	roflmao 	did I miss anything?
    15:57:49 	giraffles 	we were discussing how skye got logs
    15:58:00 	roflmao 	logs of?
    15:58:08 	Avalanche 	us
    15:58:19 	roflmao 	talking about?
    15:58:27 	giraffles 	us conspiring I mean agreeing to go into #.info yesterday
    15:58:32 	roflmao 	ah
    15:58:45 	giraffles 	know who mysamdog is?
    15:58:49 	roflmao 	well, you'd have to look into who was in the channel
    15:59:18 	Sands 	same people
    15:59:22 	Sands 	but did you read the pm mayo jesus
    15:59:23 	roflmao 	I know they've been lurking/talking, especially in goopi(?)'s channel ( #whatisthisidonteven )
    15:59:26 	Sands 	it's on .info, sign in
    15:59:28 	roflmao 	a second okay
    15:59:33 	roflmao 	I just rebooted
    15:59:35 	roflmao 	some hardware issue
    15:59:36 	Sands 	no excuses
    15:59:38 	Sands 	suck my dick
    15:59:41 	roflmao 	no
    15:59:43 	Sands 	yes
    16:00:10 	Sands 	right now I'm waiting for Rasznir to respond
    16:00:36 	roflmao 	yea, mysamdog talks in _ot_ot a lot, so probably someone else
    16:00:38 	roflmao 	but who knows
    16:00:55 	roflmao 	also I see new lurkers: Quenz? (talks in #tulpa afaik)
    16:00:56 	Sands 	not that it really matters even
    16:01:07 	Sands 	because we're an open channel and all
    16:01:07 	roflmao 	besides, why would choosing to go in a channel and talk on topic in said channel be against rules?
    16:01:13 	Sands 	exactly
    16:01:24 	Quenz 	OH hi.
    16:01:33 	giraffles 	um differentname22? he talks though.
    16:02:08 	roflmao 	also also someone from niichan's system is here I guess
    16:02:13 	roflmao 	plenty of people could have mentioned I guess
    16:03:13 	Sands 	sure, but it's not like it even matters
    16:03:18 	Sands 	again, open channel
    16:03:22 	roflmao 	yes
    16:03:25 	giraffles 	wait who is niichan here
    16:03:29 	roflmao 	Heartmender
    16:03:30 	Sands 	they could be here themselves and unlike them, we don't back people just because of who they are
    16:03:41 	giraffles 	oh right
    16:03:47 	Sands 	also back?
    16:03:48 	Sands 	ban, jesus
    16:03:52 	Sands 	help i cant into english
    16:03:57 	giraffles 	well I'm still wondering
    16:04:23 	giraffles 	could be him I guess. I still suspect zero or kiah as well.
    16:04:48 	Sands 	well if they give them stuff then they give them stuff
    16:04:52 	Sands 	could have asked us too
    16:05:07 	Sands 	as we have zero to hide
    16:05:09 	roflmao 	hmm * SkyeWint sets mode: -bbb *!*@Rizon-9735C0CF.dsl.digiweb.ie *!*@Rizon-1D2CBCEE.bb.dnainternet.fi *!*@cccp.su
    16:05:14 	giraffles 	right. I would have given it.
    16:05:27 	giraffles 	um that log isn't right
    16:05:36 	giraffles 	he banned averian too
    16:05:40 	Sands 	that's me and woflo
    16:05:43 	roflmao 	where's Zero go anyhow
    16:05:43 	Sands 	also it's -bbb
    16:05:48 	giraffles 	oh right
    16:05:54 	Sands 	okay
    16:05:54 	roflmao 	first is Ava, second is probably Sands and third is you
    16:05:57 	Sands 	so that's ava too yeah
    16:05:59 	giraffles 	zero is gone forever
    16:06:03 	giraffles 	he's a mod now
    16:06:06 	roflmao 	so?
    16:06:09 	Sands 	but what about maria
    16:06:10 	giraffles 	chattin on the new server
    16:06:16 	Sands 	did he get unbent earlier or?
    16:06:19 	roflmao 	I have no idea where Averian got banned or why
    16:06:26 	Sands 	right when the rest did
    16:06:26 	giraffles 	check the ban list or something
    16:06:31 	Sands 	look for the +bbbb
    16:06:37 	Avalanche 	Are we unbant?
    16:06:41 	Sands 	and the thing is, maria didn't do anything
    16:06:47 	Sands 	according to mayo's log, looks like it
    16:06:51 	Sands 	unless someone bent us again
    16:06:52 	Avalanche 	Averian just asked what happened?
    16:06:56 	Sands 	yep
    16:06:57 	Avalanche 	That's bannable now?
    16:06:59 	Sands 	yep
    16:06:59 	Avalanche 	???
    16:07:08 	Sands 	also did you see the pleeb crazy log
    16:07:12 	roflmao 	guess you can ask him when he's online
    16:07:16 	Sands 	https://privatepaste.com/b6113d6d15
    16:07:17 	Avalanche 	Earlier? Yes
    16:07:26 	Avalanche 	He just doesn't give a fuck about IRC
    16:07:29 	Avalanche 	It's a wankstain
    16:07:36 	Sands 	he doesn't give a shit about anything anymore
    16:07:37 	Avalanche 	But he's being a dick about it
    16:07:42 	Sands 	it's a disgrace that he still decides on things
    16:07:43 	Avalanche 	Does he even tupp?
    16:07:51 	Avalanche 	Which is why, Sands
    16:07:55 	Sands 	>[20:28:02] <+Pleeb> Because like... SkyeWint can play piano.
    16:07:57 	Sands 	>[20:28:08] <+Pleeb> And he'll play the piono for everyone.
    16:08:01 	Sands 	like jesus what
    16:08:03 	Avalanche 	I wonder why you still go to .info
    16:08:13 	Sands 	because pleeb actually doesn't do shit there
    16:08:15 	Avalanche 	Just go to tulpanetwork. Stay there. Stay in tuppers.
    16:08:16 	Sands 	keke
    16:08:19 	Sands 	I do
    16:08:22 	Avalanche 	Exactly
    16:08:26 	Sands 	but now I'm feeling for Rasznir
    16:08:27 	Avalanche 	Stay in your own land
    16:08:31 	Sands 	because he's the only fucker who tries
    16:08:37 	Sands 	he wants this to work
    16:08:37 	giraffles 	you know niichan offered to make me a tulpanetwork mod channel
    16:08:38 	Avalanche 	Don't go to that 3rd world AIDS infested shithole
    16:08:46 	giraffles 	I politely declined
    16:08:48 	Sands 	pfft
    16:08:53 	Avalanche 	Bitch
    16:08:55 	Avalanche 	we have tuppers
    16:09:02 	Avalanche 	what more could you concievably want
    16:09:04 	Sands 	tulpanet doesn't have an irc channel
    16:09:12 	giraffles 	I mean we could just PM if we wanted a two man circlejerk
    16:09:15 	Sands 	and won't until it becomes needed
    16:09:23 	Avalanche 	For the exact reason of: #tulpa.info
    16:09:32 	Avalanche 	Never make it
    16:09:35 	Avalanche 	Just, never
    16:09:37 	Avalanche 	Don't.
    16:09:47 	Avalanche 	It's not a good no please just don't no don't make it
    16:10:02 	Sands 	I think it would be the sort of "go there at your own risk" place if one ever happened
    16:10:11 	Sands 	but right now people could learn how to use the chat thread
    16:10:24 	Sands 	spam stupid shit there, it's perfectly possible to hold a conversation there
    16:10:32 	Sands 	and q&a is for the questions and answers
    16:11:14 	giraffles 	and moving discussion away from the site is inadvisable
    16:11:18 	giraffles 	if possible
    16:11:19 	Sands 	yeah
    16:11:23 	Sands 	especially when it's a small one
    16:11:35 	Sands 	and I doubt we'll ever be huge anyways
    16:11:46 	Avalanche 	That's exactly what Pleeb said
    16:11:48 	Avalanche 	I was there
    16:11:56 	Avalanche 	Tulpanetwork will get big too
    16:12:02 	Avalanche 	Gods this is deja vu right here
    16:12:04 	Sands 	pfft why
    16:12:08 	Avalanche 	I'll tell you what I told Pleeb
    16:12:23 	Sands 	tulpa.info didn't have rival sites
    16:12:31 	Sands 	of course it gets huge
    16:12:34 	Avalanche 	Tulpanetwork will become big over time. It just will. Don't make an official tulpanet IRC because that will grow too and it'll be horrible
    16:12:40 	Sands 	as soon as it becomes mainstream
    16:12:43 	Avalanche 	Then we have one rival site.
    16:12:48 	Avalanche 	Which means almost as little
    16:12:56 	Sands 	there's also reddit
    16:13:00 	Avalanche 	Tulpa.info was a tiny site with almost no audience
    16:13:00 	Sands 	and some ponyfag thing
    16:13:07 	Avalanche 	It still grew to 5000 members
    16:13:17 	Avalanche 	I joined two weeks after its inception
    16:13:21 	Avalanche 	when it had like 50
    16:13:31 	Solomon 	I joined before you, Sammy.
    16:13:31 	giraffles 	yes
    16:13:32 	giraffles 	soon
    16:13:34 	Sands 	I have a screenshot of the 420th member keke
    16:13:35 	Solomon 	I feel the need to remind you.
    16:13:38 	Avalanche 	I know Solomon
    16:13:51 	Avalanche 	That's why I said I joined 2 weeks after its inception
    16:13:57 	Avalanche 	This doesn't imply I was the first to join
    

 

Tl;dr: Read the logs and make your own mind up.


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I'm going to go and interject here.

 

I honestly think that this whole thing was "trolling" (pranking would be the better world i'd say), and while the trolling itself did not deserve a ban and honestly was kind of funny/not too bad at all, the arguments with the mods about being on topic did deserve at least a kick warning before ban. When an IRC mod tells you to stop being "funny" you do it or you get the hammer. Similar to how you don't give i-phones to toddlers and expect to keep a working i-phone.

 

However, I don't think this single event is severe or bad enough to result in any removal of power. However, this whole starting drama/complaining is up to others to make opinions on.

 

Honestly, it shouldn't be this big of a deal.

 

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Because I've been asked if Zero's post is flaming and such, I'll write my post defending his words here.

 

First off, this thread was just split. Before, it was in the GAT complaints thread, where it didn't belong. What happens on the IRC doesn't affect how the GAT works on the forum, he said that it was wrong earlier and he was right. This doesn't belong in the GAT complaints thread and it's right it was split.

 

However, what he is missing is that it was Chupi who brought the logs up to the thread and I'm not sure if he just assumes that we will do nothing when that happens. As we didn't see what was even wrong with what Chupi posted, we asked him to tell what exactly it was, which he did after Skye, a person who was a big part of this, washed his hands off the thing on the forums, like it should be.

 

We did not start any "anti-mod anti-.info" talk here, it was Chupi who showed something that only shows the corruptness of their own IRC team. I reported the entire thing to Rasznir in a PM with logs and links, and that was as far as I was going to take it on the forums. Private, fast, clean. Tell the man who might be able to do something about the problem.

 

We did get unbanned. I'm not sure how, but somehow I doubt it was because Skye decided to do it on his own. He also said how he won't comment on this anymore, so this just seems like the usual "I know I am wrong but won't admit it" kind of deal. And everything honestly would just be fine if Skye said he did the wrong thing. Because he did.

 

 

No loopholes were used or being found. I still haven't been shown what exactly is trolling or shitposting. The giraffe nicks? We use those on #tuppers on our own as well, when we feel like it. When one changes it, the rest do as well. We like giraffes and I think we should be able to express our interests in our nicks. Look at waffles when he's caonimaffles, no one has ever complained about that even though his name is made of caonima+waffles.

 

What we posted was on-topic, about tulpas and the problems a host had. #.info is a very quiet channel after it was murdered, a conversation started by someone is a spark that can easily bring it back to life. We rarely hear what the people of #.info have to say because we don't hang around with the people. This is our only way to do so, go on the channel and talk. We're going to have to force a conversation to start, but after that, it might very well continue without us when the dead channel is revived.

 

I think that's one of the reasons. Not only is Skye extremely biased against us after we declined (I mean blatantly refused as he put it) to join the new server, he's going to mute Rizon's #.info because it's dead. If it suddenly became not dead, it's not dead; muting couldn't be done without him looking like he's crazy.

 

There was no way we could stop being "funny", when a mod told us to talk of legitimate problems when we, in fact, were talking about legitimate problems. What can you do in a situation like that when the mods don't believe you at all?

 

I also don't know who exactly is getting harassed by giraffe nicks, but I suspect it's Chupi and in that case I tell you to grow a thicker skin. Giraffes are harmless animals. Very nice too, maybe you can join our herd? I think the caonima should be more offensive to those in power. You know, caonimaffles against chuxie and skyexie.


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oh my god you fuckers are still at this

 

stop being a butthurt anti-mod circlejerk, this is exactly why i wanted there to be more than 10 members in the GAT, so this bullshit would be called out on. GAT isn't the place for discussing your anti or pro-mod shit but you should at least keep giraffe discussions out of this goddamn thread unless it relates to how you're behaving as a GAT. this goes for Chupi, Sands, and whoever the fuck else is discussing goddamn giraffe nicks. yes, you should behave professionally, but nobody is on the rizon tulpa channels anymore anyway, so it's not a big deal. and for the other side, you should stop going along with that muh irc mischief shit because it's literally toddler mentality. you'll look like an 8 year old with a proper vocabulary if you do that shit. pull your heads out of your asses and start focusing on actual problems rather than creating problems and then going "whaaat i didn't do nothing!!!" like a 5 year old who thinks nobody's seeing that he's playing dumb.

 

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