Enny's new and (Probably) exciting adventures in Tuppermancy (Remastered 2022 ​😎​)

[Guest]

I think it absolutely could, but I don't know how to go about it. When I was playing, for the first forty or so minutes, I'd say my 80% of my attention was on Tulip, which was great, but just looking at the list of traits (wrote them down on a sheet of paper and referred every few minutes) gave me no ideas.

 

Twenty-three traits are too many to factor in, in my opinion. Heck, I realize that if I ever get this one talking, even if she holds them all at her core, she'll deviate every once in a while , so even if I were to use only what I'd consider to be at the very core of her personality, like three or four, I'm not sure I could make any assumptions

 

Although, now that I've brought that up, I might have to really look into that..

[Guest]

Ugh, not that I didn't already know, but my bud is reinforcing the idea that meditation would help with my half-assery. Don't wanna, but I guess I'll start trying to do that tomorrow night, or whatever. As it stands, I typically get pissed beyond all belief the longer I sit there, telling myself I could be doing something else with my time, but I guess if I try for a couple weeks something might happen. I can't focus on narrating or anything else as well as I'd like to, so I guess I try and get that figured out before I move forward

 

Fun :L

[Linkzelda]

Meditation gets easier when you're busy occupying your awareness with what's going on in your mind to the point where you can't even bother to think about those other things that you could be better off doing. :P

 

Trucking through! GO GO GO

[Guest]

Meditation gets easier when you're busy occupying your awareness with what's going on in your mind to the point where you can't even bother to think about those other things that you could be better off doing.

 

Would you mind elaborating here? The advice I'm being fed is a simple " Worry about your breathing the entire time, every time, and eventually you'll probably fall into a meditative state. Being in this state and being able to recognize when you're in it, as well as how to more quickly fall into it, will help you keep your mind clear in general, as well as when you decide to force."

 

Would you advise focusing on something else the entire time, or what? By past experiences, if I'm thinking at all, I'm going to wind up absolutely off track, and the session ends up a failure. Have tried concerning myself with, say, personality, but it's no easier when I'm trying to meditate than it is when I'm just sitting there.

 

Just fishing for general experiences and advice I guess, I know Shui will have some once he's on.

[Linkzelda]

Someone is actually asking me to elaborate. :*)

 

You could say those people state those things so you can get into a procedural process of reaching a certain brain state (e.g. alpha) that would be ideal for having awareness of your imagination while still being somewhat aware of reality. It could be the type of cultural origins that have varied dispositions on meditation (e.g. eastern vs. western philosophy).

 

So you may get one side that focuses on mindfulness, passive awareness, while some may feel that being occupied in your thoughts while still having that fixation of reigning yourself together can be the ideal way of meditation; because when you get used to scheduling yourself for personal time where no one can bother you under any circumstance, you use that assurance to just go crazy in your thoughts, no matter how random they may be.

 

That’s how it may seem at first, and when you truck all that stuff you don’t want to see, or things you feel are a waste of time if you can’t associate your tulpas into it, all of that stuff gets easier to connect for the desire you have at hand. It’s probably just a matter of you just planning ahead of alone time where all you can be thinking about is your tulpas in some way. It may seem like an escapist behavior, but the difference is that you’re scheduling yourself instead of wanting to spend all week meditating obviously.

 

I wouldn’t do the meditation with the breathing for 30 minutes even without having the intention of imagining one, or both of them at the same time. The breathing can help so you don't start hyperventilating or some shit like that; it helps you keep calm while you venture through the monkey brain mind, and then somewhere along the path, things go smooth sailing, and the virtual experiential reality is just amazing.

 

If you’re still occupied on thinking that you could be doing other things better than where you are at when meditating, that’s just you going through those predisposed/developed thoughts you have that makes you want to move your feet around and get out of bed. The key here is to turn that around, and make it so the forcing is something you would do anything to get out of bed and move your feet around in.

 

In other words, you find your reasons of making those sessions of forcing go by so quickly because you can bypass that criticism you have of yourself of what you want to do that could be better than meditating. It’s really practice to get to this, and I know this is mediocre advice at best, but I will tell you know that I had to truck through that bullshit criticism in my head that convinced me that I should be doing something else “better” than forcing.

 

You’ll find a way to turn it around so it doesn’t become your enemy, and I say that metaphorically. But with that said, I think part of what makes it easier for me to revel in their existence is that the attempts I’ve built up beforehand passive forcing, and the occasional try-hard forcing helped a lot with visual foundation.

 

If I didn’t have that visual foundation that can stream very easily, it would be difficult for me. But even if that were the case, I was that person that followed more on intuition than rationalizing it all. You get used to debriefing yourself after doing multiple sessions throughout the week rather than criticizing yourself on EVERY attempt immediately after you’ve done them.

 

It’s like this:

 

Intuition; forgetting criticism because you know it’s going to reign you back to fixating on this reality -> imagination with your tulpas -> repeat this for as many days as you can without debriefing yourself, but writing small notes if you can on some hallmarks during the imagination -> debrief

 

Rinse, lather, and repeat to your own accord until you go “By Jove, she’s talking to me!!! hnnngh”

 

During the debrief, you fixate on how much you focused on treating them as sentient, and trying to remember the varied series of emotions you’ve had with just imagining them in some way. Whether it’s through the wonderland, and how you had a sense of belonging, cling onto that sensation, and find a way to recreate it to where it becomes more significant for you. I remember before forcing, and even knowing about tulpas, I used to watch a clip several times of some moment where there’s some emotional response that could cue some deeper thinking, and it ended up helping me do the whole virtual experiential reality stuff.

 

But there’s a shitload of stuff I did that I can’t even remember most of them. I guess I just threw a bunch of crap, and it somehow worked because I already was used to being aware of my emotions, and how I reacted in my dreams. So the criticizing stuff (e.g. ego convincing you to do this and that) just becomes random noise at certain times, and your best tool in having a sense of urgency; you just learn over time when to use that sense of urgency for what truly matters to you.

 

That’s me in a nutshell when forcing. Though I'm not so sure if I'm hearing critical thoughts in my mind now; maybe I came to terms with that, who knows?

 

Lol, I forgot about the breathing part; well, that part doesn’t really seem to matter honestly. Maybe for priming yourself to be in the ideal brain state, or whatever mental state people feel is suitable, but the real challenge is just sustaining that state, and going next level tulpaing. You may lapse in concentration, and even conscious awareness at times, but you’ll learn to pick yourself up. I remember the last time I did serious active forcing, I lapsed for maybe 30 seconds, but it slowly subsided the more I did it because things became more intense.

 

 

Edit: forgive the spelling errors, I forgot to consciously actually think and edit.

[Guest]

Aha, wow. You're really good at losing me. I don't know if it's how many different ideas are seemingly packed into each paragraph, or the fact that I'm tired as heck.

 

Hmm, lemme see if I can glean anything, here.

 

Okay, lotta personal experience with some advice and other anecdotes. Cool read, if not a bit jumbly in a couple spots. Pardon, as I'm probably not comprehending everything here, so I don't have much of a response.

 

Good bit about experiences after hitting that state I think, and advice on mindset. To which, honestly, I'm not concerned to even bother with forcing until I can consistently get into that state, if I even can. My hopes are that I'll actually be able to clearly think about and apply personality, narrate, and I hope hope hooope, visualize properly and clearly for once in my life, but all of that is long-term. First concern in going at this, I guess, is simply learning how to clear my mind. As it stands, aside from having nothing to say in narration on the average day, when I do have some topic, i can't stay focused, especially when I'm just, idunno, laying in bed. My mind wanders waaay too much. So if spending an hour every night doing nothing but focusing on breathing helps me achieve that, that would be nice. I really, really wanna see this through to the end this time, so whatever it takes.

 

But yeah, sorry for not completely getting everything you're saying, haha..

[Guest]

So I did decide to give it a go, just thirty minutes, and I'm pretty disappointed, I guess. Know I shouldn't judge myself, but eh, I don't think my thought-process was any different whatsoever for the entire thing, despite mainly being focused on breathing. Shui and I spoke about this once, actually, it's like two trains of thought instead of just one, cause even when I'm thinking I'm good, and focused entirely on breathing, my head still wants to find some way to move about at its normal pace.

 

Hope this isn't a trend, cause I still intend to give it a couple more goes tomorrow. Or today, whatever.

[sushi]

Well, meditation is a broad term. It can mean almost anything focused. There are lots of different traditions, each with their own benefits. For beginners, I usually suggest anapana, because it's simple, you can do it anywhere, it helps you to learn to focus better, and it can replace sleep.

 

There are many ways of practicing anapana, but I think the best is to count only your exhales. Count to ten and then start over. This is to keep you focused. Your mind will wander. Sometimes you'll forget you were counting at all, sometimes you'll be like "What number was I on?", and sometimes you'll only catch yourself because you're counting 11, 12, 13. Sometimes you'll be thinking about other things in the background while you continue to count perfectly -- that's ok, and it will stop eventually when you get better.

 

The idea is that you should eventually reach a point where that voice in your mind completely stops during your inhales, and is only doing the numbers during the exhales. And of course the first few times this happens, you'll be like "Oh wow, I've really stopped thinking." which is a bit like when a kid announces that he's winning the quiet game. With practice, you'll learn to stop doing that and just be one with the silence in your mind.

 

You don't have to do a half hour every day. I mean ideally you'd be doing something like four hours of meditation and four hours of sleep, but it can take years to get there, and many people don't want to. I see lots of people starting with ten minutes a day, and gradually working their way up from there.

 

Unfortunately, meditation is much more difficult than you'd think, and it takes a while before you see results in your day to day life. Many people give up before they get there.

[Guest]

Ten to fifteen minutes a day, or a couple times a day sounds fine. I'm not deterred from a meh go last night, just disappointed. Though I didn't expect much else anyway, so it's fine.

 

Forgot exactly what you'd recommended when we last spoke about it, but the counting on the exhale sounds about right, so I'll give that a go, probably here in a couple hours. Doing work outside right now

 

Side-note though, I narrated a lot last night. At least, I think it was a lot. Every once in a while, I'll get a session that isn't awkward, where I know what to say, and last night was one of those. Mostly just spoke of my last attempt, hopes for this time, and.. I can't remember. I just remember going at it for so long, that once I fell asleep, and woke up several times in the night, like usual, I was narrating as soon as my eyes opened. Some weird reflex, I guess, idunno.

 

I also remember having.. Some kind of epiphany. I just can't remember what. Ironic, huh.

 

I'll think on it.

[Linkzelda]

 

But yeah, sorry for not completely getting everything you're saying, haha..

 

It's alright, I knew I was inconsistent as I don't know how to map out how I should post in progress reports.