Fight the Fears?

[AlienLoveSecrets]

I'm new here, and have had some thoughts in delving into the world of tolpas again. However, due to some very scary, unfortunate past experiences with tolpae, I've been extremely hesitant to try making one again. Although I am now much older than I was with my first attempt, and I believe I have much better intentions than I did before, I still have various fears still holding me back, despite how much I want to make another, and it's very frustrating. So, I am wanting to hear what you guys and girls think about the following statements, which are my fears of Tulpa:

 

1. There is a good chance that tulpas, even after one small mishap, will have a worrying amount of desire to hurt/haunt their host.

 

2. Quitting the making of progress on a tolpa will weaken them, but will stay in the back of your mind like a bad memory, no matter what.

 

3. There is a good chance that, due to the need of giving them free will in order to be a complete tolpa, they will grow the want to scare/traumatise the host.

 

4. Tolpa will become extremely angry, violent, vengeful, and/or sad when noticing that the host wants to rid of them.

 

I understand that scenarios like these are sometimes caused by intentionally making their personality this way, but the need to give them their own personality of choice and free will having the possibility of making their personalities cause the events in these statements occurring is what scares me the most. However, I do want to make a lively, happy, independent Tolpa that is not just a predicable copy of who I expect him to be. How often do tolpae naturally turn out violent and evil, and how true are these statements? (sorry if this post seems a little odd; It's pretty late over here right now).

[Guest amber5885]

This has been asked over and over again.

 

Tulpas are not evil, harmful or destructive.

 

Anything a tulpa does that can be construed as evil or bad can be controlle by you.

 

It's your mind, you have the power but no there hasn't been a single case, not one of a tulpa harming there host outside of hosts who were already metals unstable, on drugs and widely considered to be falsifying information anyhow.

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I repeate tulpas do not harm there hosts. Creepy past is a work of fiction

[conflictedebola]

Honestly, I feel like if you go into it with THAT kind of mindset, you're more than likely to do more harm than good. :\

How would you feel if when you were born your parents automatically started treating you like a criminal? It's nearly exactly like I tell people when they hold my tarantula, if you relax and don't treat her like she's dangerous, she'll be happy to crawl around on you and give you spider kisses. If you freak out and tense up and act like she's going to bite you at any minute, SHE'S going to freak out, and you're probably gonna get really itchy hairs flung at your face (fun fact; tarantulas don't like biting, just like tulpas don't, you know, hurt people).

Sorry for the arachnid analogy, it's the best comparison I could think of.

[Blaycon]

My friend, I first heard of Tulpae through a CreepyPasta based on your concerns and yes it is quite scary if you think about it but after long research on the matter I found that not only at tulpa.info, but many other pages state that all that stuff has no evidence to back it up. After all my research I am completely convinced that no tulpa will ever have evil intentions if there is no reason for it, and even with enough reason I find it difficult for a Tulpa to try and hurt the one body they share with the host (the only possible harm would be psychological and even then, you would need to be a terrible person with them for that to even be a possibility, its your mind, you should have control of it). And believe me, I would have never started with my own if I had the smaller doubt about it.

 

I hope our points of view are useful for you to shatter those concerns.

 

Still, I could't help but to notice that you mentioned having "unfortunate bad experiences with tulpae", would you mind telling us a bit about them?

[STeeK]

Still, I could't help but to notice that you mentioned having "unfortunate bad experiences with tulpae", would you mind telling us a bit about them?

Seconded

[Elvode]

I agree with above posts, no it's not possible for your tulpa to harm you and if it would harm you, it would also hurt themselves since you share mind.

[Linkzelda]

1. There is a good chance that tulpas' date=' even after one small mishap, will have a worrying amount of desire to hurt/haunt their host.[/quote']

 

This is presuming that any shred of emotions that seems negative will never be transient for a tulpa you may have the intention in creating. That’s also presuming that you can’t see the probability of them learning how to rationalize themselves in moderating their emotions based on circumstances, and instead will have a perpetual vendetta towards you; it’s also stripping away the probability of you as the host that has the potential in working things out with them, and maybe pursuing intellectual endeavors to assess them in becoming more emotional mature to where it would be unlikely that they would have that predisposition of negativity towards you.

 

To say the least, don’t sell yourself short in your ability to talk yourself into calming down when a negative emotion overwhelms you at times that you can’t reciprocate in terms of teaching and maybe learning through them about how to handle those maelstrom of feelings we call emotions.

 

2. Quitting the making of progress on a tolpa will weaken them' date=' but will stay in the back of your mind like a bad memory, no matter what.[/quote']

 

Consider these analogies that’s probably just begging for a moral and ethical challenge for just about anyone:

 

- Consider a dream character in a dream, non-lucid or lucid, that you met that had some kind of impact to you; the type of impact where you wake up to your day-to-day lifestyle that lingers for days, weeks, or even months. You just can’t shake off the feeling of those experiences that may have been significant to you, only to realize that at best, to further those desires to experience those things again with those memorable dream characters, you probably have to engage in more pursuits with recalling your experiences in your dreams.

 

- But if you grew tired, or lost the novelty behind said imaginary entities, the only one that’s feeling there has to be a moral and ethical constraint is probably you wanting to set them up yourself. In other words, you feel a sense of obligation to do that to prevent yourself from thinking that you can flick your conscience on and off like a switch, and never having to worry about interacting with them again.

 

- But if you strived to follow this ethical assessment militantly based on every entity you feel that could fade away without your attention and contribution, then maybe, just maybe you have a lot to be accountable for. But do you really have to consider doing that for every dream character in your natural sleep? What about the ones where you couldn’t even remember interacting with because you couldn’t remember your dreams for that given circumstance? Yes, there may be certain dream characters in our dreams that we just don’t want to run away from, and some we want to just bury deep within our psyche, but that’s probably the whole inner turmoil thing we all go through, and you’re back once more in querying how you personally want to handle that.

 

3. There is a good chance that' date=' due to the need of giving them free will in order to be a complete tolpa, they will grow the want to scare/traumatise the host.[/quote']

 

Let’s utilize another analogy that may resonate in gradually subsiding this worst case scenario, and if I’m getting terminologies incorrect, anyone is free to correct me:

 

 

- Consider something like switching, and/or possession. In theory, mostly for switching, one would be shifting their awareness to imaginary senses while their tulpa presumably takes dominion with real life sensations. That sets up a lot of implications that the host and tulpa have to map out personally for themselves while not being able to really prove if the switch itself involves the tulpa physically experiencing those sensations the host usually is accustomed to in their day-to-day lifestyles.

 

- Ignoring the probability of something like, p-zombies, for the sake of this idea play with analogies, if something like switching was in that implied set of series of validating “free will” for a tulpa, then I’m sure that if the tulpa ignored all opportunities to reflect on their future actions of ill intentions, they may realize the repercussions of doing something like that to the host will have an aftermath where they, the tulpa, would feel some kind of regret in some way. And if they still aren’t able to refer to those experiences where they themselves are implied to have some form of conscience, or even sharing one overwhelming conscience, I would imagine there would be something nagging in their mind if their actions were right or wrong.

 

 

4. Tolpa will become extremely angry' date=' violent, vengeful, and/or sad when noticing that the host wants to rid of them.[/quote']

 

I think this type of fear is partially contingent in being able to see other points of view, most apparently, a view of a tulpa that may react to the probability of their host wanting to dissipate them. It always seems to be a course of ethical action; a nagging feeling between wanting to engage in philosophical inquiry with them to see why the host wants to do something like that to them, and maybe reaching a compromise to where the host becomes emotionally mature to not always have a knee-jerk reaction in anything that makes them consider the dissipation in the first place; it’s like the first type of concern you had in your OP, albeit it’s extended to emotions being part of that mishap.

 

It’s natural to feel afraid, and that fear leading to turmoil, but IMO, I believe that despite of the origins, the disposition, and just overall nature of interacting with my tulpas, the ability for us to still interact is probably contingent in the efforts we make to understand each other. A quick series of anecdotes I’ve had with them:

 

- Eva never seemed to be the goody-two shoes, or someone that had any kind of interest in high moral standards. Ada was probably just a nightmare to me altogether before I considered contributing into making her into a tulpa in some way. Eva, before she was a tulpa, and when I was militant in finding her in my dreams, she never seemed to be at my beck and call; always going things her own way, but I learned to not be bothered by that. I had this feeling that she would only come whenever I was too incompetent to deal with something, or just needed some thoughts rolling back and forth to assess something, but it seemed so silent because I never bothered to reflect as much since then. I thought I was just doing that imaginary group thinking where I can keep it to myself, and I undermined those experiences a bit, despite the rare occasions of meeting her in my dreams.

 

- Ada did some things that scared me in my dreams, even to the point of wanting to blow up an area, though maybe this was done to get myself in being aware that it was a dream, or some kind of underlying meaning. There was some form of aggression with her, and maybe even apathy as well. Though, I took a chance to make an effort to try and understand her, and be empathetic towards her point of view in her existence within those dreams. After a quick and laconic conversation, and just how she expressed herself, I ended up wanting to make her into a tulpa.

 

- She’s hardly somebody to have holy and goody-two-shoes types of behaviors, and even if somehow, she has some aggression, hatred, or even vengeance or revenge towards me, I still feel that if I reign in that awareness of knowing that taking the efforts to understand one another, it can be a learning experience for me to not just understand her point of view, but maybe look at her and see what I couldn’t find in myself, if that makes any sense.

 

- In spite of who they were in my dreams, and even in day-to-day life, I’ve been through so many experiences, and not just contingent on them alone, that the silver lining with making that militant effort to understand each one another will lead to answers somehow, even if it ends up in some strenuous philosophical inquiring on my end too; the epiphany experienced when learning through it all just helps with the whole self-betterment thing, I guess.

 

What others have said are basically reiterated here, though I tried to put some analogues and personal anecdotes, so maybe you could see other points of view, and maybe come to an understanding, just like you can easily do if you want to partake in creating a tulpa, huh?

[Luminesce]

Creepypastas and metaphysical forums support beliefs that tulpas can be dangerous or malicious, outside of your control. Their "tulpas" sometimes harm them.

Tulpa.info supports beliefs that tulpas are inherently whatever-you-believe-they'll-be, mainly, kind and caring, or at least neutral. Our tulpas have never been known to harm their hosts or "turn evil", and those that have were either entirely new to the forum or using unhealthy drugs.. or mentally unstable. If you have symptoms of things like schizophrenia or even multiple personality disorder, practicing tulpamancy can contribute to the symptoms indirectly. It's not the fault of the tulpas though, but if you're schizophrenic then the more credence you give to voices in your head, the more likely problems will arise.

 

But that's worse-case, schizophrenia or full-blown MPD. We have tons of members with histories of depression, autism, or otherwise, and generally they don't have many problems. Plus, when problems do arise in the case of mental instability, the forum is very supportive in its advice. Like, "It's a bad idea to stop taking the medication you were given to prevent your schizophrenic tendencies." ... Yeah. You'll be fine.

 

 

Long story short, nip those fears in the bud. Or if necessary, do your best to completely overwrite them with those of this community. Tulpamancy, in the end, is all in your mind. If you leave those nagging fears in the back of your head, due to ironic-processes in your brain, they may develop. But this isn't some switch that gets flipped because you thought about it once, it's really your true beliefs. Nobody who believes in the inherent goodness (or inherent neutrality, sorry LinkZelda) develops malicious tulpas. Because by default, your tulpa will be neutral + understand that your well-being, is its well-being. Malicious tendencies do not naturally arise without your influence on them.

[Linkzelda]

Nobody who believes in the inherent goodness (or inherent neutrality' date=' sorry LinkZelda) develops malicious tulpas. Because by default, your tulpa will be neutral + understand that your well-being, is its well-being. Malicious tendencies do not naturally arise without your influence on them.[/quote']

 

Eva: I have a feeling that because you’re professing this, this is probably due to his incompetence in not being able to clarify things when he throws explanations towards words like “inherent,” or just what you stated with “neutrality.” Just like what you mentioned with the tulpamancing endeavors being wholly contingent within what goes on in your mind, i.e., one’s subjective experience, it’s bit of a shaky endeavor, IMO, to profess that it’s something that goes on by default.

 

Because if we’re utilizing contingency in supporting what happens by default in spite of the semantics we thrown in (e.g. inherent goodness, or inherent neutrality), it does go back to one referring to something like self-fulfilling prophecies where they further their propensity in wanting to make those desires of what it means for a tulpa to inherently have to actually become so. He merely professes with his dubious disposition in mapping out if a tulpa can be inherently good, bad, or neutral simply because he cannot jump from one person’s qualia, i.e., qualitative experiences, and see if there’s truly a common ground that everyone shares in spite of how they condition themselves, and whatever philosophical endeavors and intellectual pursuits to add onto that accumulative means of assessing themselves.

 

You don’t have to apologize for stating your own opinion, and if you felt he was stigmatized before from other posts of yours, that’s hardly the case. He just didn’t want you to think he was attacking you, and just wanted to clarify the best that he could, but with this, it’s clearly he couldn’t. But he does agree that a host would contribute in making subjective values with things like what a tulpa can inherently have and refer to in their own endeavors of what it means to flourish and build rapport with their companions.

 

He’s simply agnostic in finding inherent qualities that expands his own personal and subjective experience with us in spite of the anecdotes of others that he feels that can reach a common ground. Because a few circumstances that somehow resonate with our own totality of ethical assessment isn’t going to be the same for everyone else; the whole self-fulfilling prophecy with one creating their own inherent values, even if they’re transient compared to how people map out inherent values that are long-standing despite of circumstances (e.g. mind-independent) is not something you have to apologize for having an opinion on.

 

Sorry, but I just don’t think you really need to set up apologies for expressing your opinion, as his, along with everyone else are up for speculation. Though I guess the grandiose posts has some kind of intimidation for others, and we’re sorry if that somehow undermines anything from others.

[bunny-boi-lover]

I had a few "imaginary friends" during the time that my husband and I were together, and he had no problem with them. He even once gave me "life energy" to create one because I was insanely lonely and depressed. Then I found out last summer about tulpae and realized that's what I'd been creating all these years. Well, as soon as I attributed that term to one that I made, suddenly my husband was all ignorant and started talking about how eventually it would turn bad and how he didn't trust it, etc. Corvis never went bad, nothing close to it. In fact, it really hurt him that my husband would say those things. But had I given in and gone with what my husband was saying rather than believing in myself and my tulpa, it's possible that Corvis could have become dangerous.

 

Trust in yourself and your tulpa, and everything will turn out great.