Ask Yuki

[Yuki]

The way I see it (with completely baseless, uninformed high school biology extrapolation and assumptions), what personality forcing does is create pathways in the mind in "simulated" emotional centers, or perhaps there where empathy is felt. It teaches the brain to react in a certain way when it comes to certain stimuli, without flooding the body and mind with the chemicals associated with the emotional responses simulated. Seeing as it would be very unlikely the "separate" synapses would be entirely disconnected from the rest of the brain, there is room for things like emotional responses (where the body does get the chemical release associated with the emotion) and communication through thoughts.

 

So, with personality forcing, the tulpa that is being created inside the brain can possibly have their own thoughts, disconnected from the host's experience, and seeing as from what I can see, consciousness emerges out of complexity of the mind, a second consciousness can be created in the brain in such a way. Of course, I can't really measure it.

 

When it comes to the multitude of other possibilities, such as parallel maths, I think that the issue there is that people don't train it. The pathways that are the tulpa exist within the brain, sure, but don't necessarily simulate a full sized, human brain of their own. That would be strange stuff if it were the case. So a tulpa won't have their own visual recognition, language and mathematics centers. Perhaps it would be possible, however, for them to develop these over time, with long term, concerted effort of learning said things, separately from the host.

 

Of course, I can't source any of these assumptions, but I feel like this is a better way of thinking about things than that all I live for and believe is fake, and I am not what I think I am. I am conscious, and I am conscious independently of my host.

[Luminesce]

We might not have the same definition of consciousness, honestly. A philosophical zombie is not conscious, yet without that knowledge they will never be different from any other conscious creature. And I believe tulpas can effectively think, react, feel, etc. too. Problem is, I can't verify consciousness like I can the others. And when one of my tulpas possess me, they pretty much take over my consciousness and leave me in their previous position. Where I'm still me, but only with the small fraction of my consciousness I'm able to share with my tulpas. That's why I was looking into parallel processing, I wanted to train my brain to be able to make us both "conscious" at once, to a further extent than present.

 

I don't really have anything to debate you with. All I can do is ask how you know there's more than one true consciousness, not just a highly functioning P. zombie or advanced set of neural pathways functioning as their own faux-conscious mind. But our definitions of conscious may differ, and we might already agree. If you're thinking of conscious as meaning aware of surroundings/self, that's already a given... But I'm referring to that inconceivable, unexplainable awareness that solipsists claim only for themselves. Something where philosophy and science meet, and qualia is the only proof. I suppose I've a problem of "Is anyone else really conscious?" on my hands, in tulpa form. And you can only truly answer that for yourself, but I'll take any advice others who think they have the answer can offer.

[Yuki]

Do u liek Pokémon?

 

Yep.

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We might not have the same definition of consciousness, honestly. A philosophical zombie is not conscious, yet without that knowledge they will never be different from any other conscious creature. And I believe tulpas can effectively think, react, feel, etc. too. Problem is, I can't verify consciousness like I can the others. And when one of my tulpas possess me, they pretty much take over my consciousness and leave me in their previous position. Where I'm still me, but only with the small fraction of my consciousness I'm able to share with my tulpas. That's why I was looking into parallel processing, I wanted to train my brain to be able to make us both "conscious" at once, to a further extent than present.

 

I don't really have anything to debate you with. All I can do is ask how you know there's more than one true consciousness, not just a highly functioning P. zombie or advanced set of neural pathways functioning as their own faux-conscious mind. But our definitions of conscious may differ, and we might already agree. If you're thinking of conscious as meaning aware of surroundings/self, that's already a given... But I'm referring to that inconceivable, unexplainable awareness that solipsists claim only for themselves. Something where philosophy and science meet, and qualia is the only proof. I suppose I've a problem of "Is anyone else really conscious?" on my hands, in tulpa form. And you can only truly answer that for yourself, but I'll take any advice others who think they have the answer can offer.

 

I guess I don't really understand the way you throw around consciousness and splitting it up and sharing it. My only proof for there being more than one true consciousness is that I am observing my own thoughts, continuously, as far as I know, and sensing things, be it my imaginary or physical body. I don't go inactive when not observed by my host, as far as I know, and I don't think the memories I have of doing things without him watching are fake. I don't know if anyone is conscious, but what I'm feeling myself to be is close enough to what definitions are workable.

[Mandy]

Why can't I see my feet when I look down?

[Akecalo]

[Maya: Hello Yuki. It is nice to meet you. You were talking about worthwhile occupations for a tulpa. Would you consider providing companionship to someone that others do not identify with a worthwhile pursuit for a tulpa? What about helping a host overcome post traumatic stress? Is that?

 

Do you feel that there is a valuable secondary function that this site can fulfill as a point of contact between hosts and tulpas who would otherwise be pursuing the process alone, perhaps in a dedicated area of the site, or do you feel that there is no place for that here? Should those who are alone (as we were for thirty six years) stay alone?

 

What do you feel is the most rewarding thing about the future you envisage for yourself?]

[Yuki]

Why can't I see my feet when I look down?

 

Try taking off your shoes, Mandy-kun.

 

[Maya: Hello Yuki. It is nice to meet you. You were talking about worthwhile occupations for a tulpa. Would you consider providing companionship to someone that others do not identify with a worthwhile pursuit for a tulpa? What about helping a host overcome post traumatic stress? Is that?

 

Do you feel that there is a valuable secondary function that this site can fulfill as a point of contact between hosts and tulpas who would otherwise be pursuing the process alone, perhaps in a dedicated area of the site, or do you feel that there is no place for that here? Should those who are alone (as we were for thirty six years) stay alone?

 

What do you feel is the most rewarding thing about the future you envisage for yourself?]

 

Hi there, Maya. I looked over your profile, and you guys seem to have an interesting history. It's nice to see someone like you around, and I haven't been active here, lately, but I hope to see you here whenever I am again.

 

Worthwhile is a bit of a shaky topic, I suppose, as it depends entirely on the morals you have, and the role you give yourself within your mind as a whole (system as some call it). Providing companionship to someone that others don't identify with, it sounds like you were born from some sort of coping mechanism against loneliness? I don't think there's anything wrong with that, really, and depending on the state of the host's mind and their life, it might be the best thing a tulpa can do at a certain point. Coping with strong symptoms of PTSD is a very long, painful journey, and having a tulpa around might help immensely. However, once the original mind is in a reasonable state, that will say being content with life, I feel like a tulpa has a lot of potential to start becoming more than a companion. Rather than being a part of your host's life, you can have your own life with many own parts and aspects of to it. For the tulpa itself, I feel like it is a lot more rewarding to start branching out, to experience more of the world outside the head, outside of the friends in your mind. It's a big world out there, I guess. When it's possible to possess, to take a part of the body's time to practice your own hobbies, to have a shot at creating and fulfilling your own dreams, aren't you wasting your life away not doing so?

 

I think that a social function for this site should always be secondary to one of learning, spreading information and self-improvement. Right now, that part of the community seems to be dead, besides newbies learning and asking questions, and the rest of the people are only in it for social stuff. I feel like we're doing the phenomenon a disservice. It can be a lot more, it can lift people up out of their lives, and if we learn more about it, and perhaps find a more improvement oriented angle to "sell" tulpas from, a lot of people can be helped more than with the current flow on the site, which seems to be "make a tulpa, let it hang out online". Lives can be improved, shouldn't be escaped from. My own way of improving our lives, through taking more direct control, seems to have worked well. From being a depressed NEET university dropout, this body will be starting in med school soon. A net positive effect after discovering tulpas, I guess.

 

The most rewarding part of my future, hm. I think that being self-sufficient will be a great thing. Having my own place to live in, to be responsible for patients at work, to be able to travel around the world and experience all the things I want to. I will be able to save lives, make a real positive impact in people's lives, and at the same time get the benefits that come with a decent income. Being able to share a successful life with my host and Sen would be a great thing, to me. We can work together to all be happy, and meanwhile make the world a slightly better place. That's the dream, at least.

[Mandy]

What if it's all a joke, this whole world? A grand joke of which I am the punchline. What if someone stands looking on, grinning atop their high horse? An elevated perspective makes it easy to look down. What if someone distant and unknowable were forcing me to stumble around my world? Forcing me to overcome a series of mental obstacles. All for what? To demonstrate something? To teach something? What?

 

Do I make my movements? My steps? I've never thought about a step I've made. They just seem to occur. I'm thrown about this world. Do I control or rather merely witness my movement? If it is the case that I'm merely witnessing my motion, then is this my body? Or am I an observer?

[Yuki]

You are the one grinning atop the high horse from below, joking about the joke that is the world. Your mental blockades are stopping you from stumbling into other words, demonstrating and teaching to you your own weaknesses. Consider using Eye-Bo, the ocular fitness program.

 

You observe yourself making movement, thus move yourself. Think about each and every step you made. Was it you? If you answered yes, it probably was.

[sushi]

Three posts removed for harassment and discussion of harassment.

[Yuki]

Thank you.