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Yes, because obviously the artist will make the same mistake in the same exact way in every picture. Perhaps the hand in one picture was alright but in the other the knuckles are just wrong and the fingers misshapen sausages. Perhaps in one picture the foreshortening is awful, in this other one the eyes aren't levelled and the other is much smaller than the other. Every picture is different, you can't just critique the whole gallery unless there's one thing that the artist keeps doing wrong over and over again. Of course "learn anatomy" would be a tip there, but would it help as much as if you were to point out everything where they can improve in picture by picture basis? Assuming one wants to spend their free time giving you free critique in the first place and now you're telling them they should look at every single picture you've posted and give them all enough time so that they can find what is the thing you've done wrong in all of them? Taking an in depth look at one picture takes long enough! Not to mention if someone is kind enough to redline your work, which is great for learning how you could do the pose better next time, don't think you're expecting them to redline everything you've done? I know I've learned plenty from critique and redlines directed to other artists and you can bet not many of them have been WIP pictures.

 

Of course it's better to critique works in progress if the artist wants the piece to be as good as possible. However, some rather just finish the piece pretty fast if they're bitten by the drawing bug and are unable to stop. Critique takes time so by the time you've gotten it, perhaps you're no longer in the groove. But if you are able to stop, asking for help is a great idea.

 

It is hard to get critique. And usually the artists who get it are the ones who need it the most but just cry how mean it was and how perfect their art is. You wouldn't show your pictures to others unless you wanted comments but if you can't handle or don't even WANT critique for some retarded reason, then one should just keep showing their art to their parents who don't want their child to ever improve. If you have art teacher parents, you shouldn't, though. Here, it's either critique and praise or nothing. Your choice. Nothing? Don't post your work on the internet, especially not anywhere art related.


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Dude...can't we just have an art board for...fun?

 

I mean really, I didn't even go 3 posts into this thread until I found someone whining about people not being able to take critique, as if the guy had a time machine and saw that people were being fags on the art board that hasn't been created yet. Look, I know that DevArt kids that can't take critique are annoying, though I personally think they get played up too much, but dangit not every Tom, Joe or Nancy with a pencil and a scanner is like that. Contrary to what places like /ic/ and ED would have you believe, not everyone with a net connection and some creative drive is a stuck-up hack than can't take a suggestion to save their lives. And on the flip side, not every person with a modem and a slight bit of taste make for good art critics, or even know what in the world they're talking about.

 

If an art board were to be made, I'd gladly throw my help in, with whatever tutorials and tips I can find. If people want to critique, they should be allowed to. The artist doesn't have to take it, but they shouldn't be rude to the person pointing out things to improve in their art. On the flip side, critics shouldn't be given all power to be rude to whoever. There are times when the artist is just being whiny about critique, but there's just as many instances where the "critic" in question is either spouting out BS and clearly don't know what they're talking about, or they're being a jerk-off because apparently "criticism" is a way to shield one's self from any possible backlash from people that aren't the artist (Who's just being a whiny fag lol!).


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I fully agree with Sock.

 

Sands, you seem to be throwing all artists in the same pool and/or assuming all the artists here are the same in that they can't take criticism and think they're perfect. Guest posting is banned now, so you're assuming all our members will be whiny. Don't you have faith in any of them?

 

I say we try it out and see. If everybody is whiny, then sure, take the board away. But I highly doubt there are more than a handful of worthwhile members here, if any, that will absolutely reject suggestions and criticism.

 

And if they do, why not just ignore their threads? They'll get tired of posting if nobody is replying.

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Stopped reading the thread when each post became a short story. Seems like there's a lot of people on board with the idea, so make the board. Much like the metaphysics board, it encourages any bad behavior to be contained in one easy to ignore board, keeping the rest of the boards clean. If it turns into a circlejerking, shit-spewing contest to compare who's dick is biggest, lock the board and forget about it.

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Do remember this part:

 

I've yet to see such person here [whiny no crit fag], but there hasn't been a serious thread for art either so maybe some might turn into monsters.

 

Sure, I could ignore their threads if they end up being like that. But When the artist posts their work for everyone to see and says no critique, then what do they want? Asspats. And you can bet other artists after asspats will go asspat that artist and that artist will do the same, creating a horrible circlejerk that makes this whole forum just look bad. Circlejerks just make the people we want here less inclined to register while attracting the people who love circlejerks.

 

Played up too much, Sock? Have you even seen them? Many of the are very popular artists too with their pictures often on the front page, not to mention the countless of nobodies who refuse to improve. Or at least that's how things were, the exact same reason why I don't go there anymore and honestly, it doesn't look like things are better. While certainly some go too far with the critiques, either because they really hate the person or hate the way they don't take crits and so make it extra picky, everyone in a way is able to critique works. Just saying "hey, I think the perspective is a bit wonky here! What's up with that?" is a critique and one doesn't have to even be an artist to notice something wrong with pictures. Especially when it comes to the human body, we tend to notice when things look weird but we might not be able to help the artist to understand how it might be drawn better. That's where the helpful redliners come.


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Sure, I could ignore their threads if they end up being like that. But When the artist posts their work for everyone to see and says no critique, then what do they want? Asspats. And you can bet other artists after asspats will go asspat that artist and that artist will do the same, creating a horrible circlejerk that makes this whole forum just look bad. Circlejerks just make the people we want here less inclined to register while attracting the people who love circlejerks.

 

I doubt you'd get a bunch of people demanding "PRAISE HOW COOL THIS SCRIBBLING OF MY IMAGINARY FRIEND IS!", simply because the atmosphere of the site doesn't really allow for it...and it sounds really bad. I think you're much too paranoid of "circlejerks", especially since the closest thing to a circle jerk on this site is the Off-Topic board, which is hidden from Guests. Even the "Draw our Tulpa" thread is quite far from being a circle jerk, as no one really comments on anyone's work at all. There's enough cynical folk around to insure that we won't get a bunch of big headed folk floating about the boards, especially considering it's main topic.

 

Played up too much, Sock? Have you even seen them?

 

Yes, I have. I've seen tons of bad artists get attention from every Sonic Yaoi fangirl on the site. I've seen enough crappy furry stuff to fill up three lifetimes. I've seen MSPaint inflation fetish not-quite-porn plastered on the front page. I've seen crappy knock-off of Japtoon stylistics used as if it were the second coming of Christ (Which is extra annoying, being that I'm quite partial to Japtoons). I've seen all of this, and I'll still say it's overplayed and I'm tired of hearing about it. Part of this has to do with my personal philosophy of ignoring bad art in my quest to improve my drawing skills, the other part of it has to do with "BAAAAW DEVIANTART ANIMU WEEABOO FURRY BAAAAAW" whine fests being just as common as bad on said site, and it's every bit as annoying. This discussion feels like a stones throw from becoming a DevArt whinefest, and that's just from someone having the bad sense to suggest a doodling section. Yeah, people not taking criticism is annoying, but there's a point where I feel they should just be ignored and one should move on. I don't feel the need to waste time being angry over some Twilight fangirl not take my criticism, when I can actually find some decent work on the site, and if said fangirl is popular, I have even less need to give her anymore attention.

 

Likewise, I think it's a shame that you're jumping to the conclusion that a doodling board on this site would immediately turn into the worst parts of DeviantArt.

 

While certainly some go too far with the critiques, either because they really hate the person or hate the way they don't take crits and so make it extra picky, everyone in a way is able to critique works. Just saying "hey, I think the perspective is a bit wonky here! What's up with that?" is a critique and one doesn't have to even be an artist to notice something wrong with pictures. Especially when it comes to the human body, we tend to notice when things look weird but we might not be able to help the artist to understand how it might be drawn better. That's where the helpful redliners come.

 

Thus where "people not knowing what they're talking about" comes in. No, you don't have to be a chef to taste when soup tastes bad, but when a problem is more subtle than a character having a club hand, many newbie critics will make just as many mistakes in their assessments as newbie artists will make in the art themselves. I've seen some seriously crappy redlines in my time, believe you me. I'm not saying criticism is bad, I personally crave the stuff since I get it so rarely. I'm just saying that criticism is not the end-all-be-all of an artist's improvement or personality. At best, it give an artist a pointer as to where they should study or if they need to strengthen their skills more before taking on the type of picture they want to do. I still say this is important, but the artist's own drive trumps it.


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It is true that for the most part people here are mature and patient and willing to listen to each other. However, I don't know everyone and it is hard to say how some will react in situations like what is about to happen here. If it ends up going poorly and the board has to be deleted, it's not over that easily. It will have an effect on the rest of the community as well and it won't be a good one.

 

No, no, not the art, Sock. There's bad art everywhere and it's not the bad art that's horrible. Everyone does bad art before they can learn enough to do good art. It's the artists I'm talking about. A good artist drawing badly but is cool and willing to improve? Already a much better artist than most on DeviantArt. It is wrong when people are afraid to give out critique on an art site because people throw bitchfits. I mean, what else is the reason for an art site, then? Again, if you don't want comments from people, good or bad, don't post it on a website everyone can access. If someone bothers to waste their free time giving you critique for your work when they want to help you to improve, that is a good thing. It is what most people on DeviantArt seem to have forgotten and it is a very valid topic that should be talked about in detail as often as possible. Maybe it will finally go through their thick skulls if they hear it often enough and things will finally change. But maybe I have too much hope in people.

 

Good thing about shitty redlines is that you can see when shit's weird, even if you don't understand what's wrong. We know how humans are supposed to look, being them ourselves. Except that you are a giant sock, but I'm sure you know when socks or humans look weird. Good thing is that you can also critique shitty critique.

 

Am I horribly against this art board thing? No, not really. What I am against is letting people throw bitchfits in there which causes people to become afraid of posting their opinions or tips and will again lead to just artist asspattery. A rule of no bitchfits on both parties, not letting artists to say no crits/throwing bitchfits when they get them/crits being too mean because not sandwiched between pretty words or critics getting mad because "the art is so shitty they shouldn't post it anywhere and should just die (good job missing the point of critique there, critic)" or some shit. But I suppose no one would comment in any way, rules or no rules. That's the way of tulpa.info.


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I will forever be your flower, Fede.


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Sock, would you care to make a thread with links to all of those resources and the like that you linked me and several others to on the art board if it's put up? If you do I'll go ahead and sticky it.


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