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Dissociation Guide
Meditation for Those Seeking to Dissociate


This guide should be used as a reference for those who want a thought-out look into meditation for dissociation and dissociation's uses in tulpa things. I have been meditating daily since the summer of 2010, and I have found myself able to dissociate from my body consistently and quickly at this point. I have been able to dissociate semi-reliably since the fall of 2013, and I started work on my first tulpa in January of 2014. I was first successfully switched with my second tulpa, Mikasa, in May of 2014. I fully realize that this is not a realistic time period for someone to accomplish this, and I have been stumped by it ever since it happened. The most plausible explanation that I can muster up is that because I had regular experience with dissociation it was easier for me to get out of the way and work with my tulpa to let her switch. But enough about me.

Assuming that you have little to no experience with repeated meditation, then ideally you would start with thirty-minute sessions once or twice a day. Thirty minutes is not specific, just something I chose due to it being a good not-too-short-not-too-long length. If it's too long, shorten it, and vice versa. If you decide to do more than one a day, I recommend waiting a few hours in between them to act as a bit of a palette cleanser. From what I have seen in advising others, meditating for too long at once will often be detrimental to long-term progress. As results will most likely take months at a time to achieve, longer meditation sessions with little to no change in between could frustrate and discourage. Shorter sessions counteract that. Another thing to keep in mind is the level of stimulus in your surroundings. Quiet places are better for meditation, etc.

Before reaching dissociation, you will be looking to reach a state of trance-like quiet within your mind. This is achieved by sitting in your chosen meditation position and allowing your mind to run out of thoughts. I know that many types of meditation will have you focus on your breathing, but I want you to instead simply acknowledge whatever thoughts float by in your mind. This should be done passively, not actively, and what I mean by that is that you should not hear your inner monologue acknowledge the thoughts. This leads to more thoughts. What you will be hoping to eventually achieve is a state of non-thought. Easier said than done, of course, but as you practice over the course of weeks and months you will find that near the end of your thirty minutes you will have a state of quiet. Oftentimes, the realization that you are in this state will jolt you out of it, which can be frustrating, but continue to meditate daily and this state will increase in length, come around earlier in the session, and become more stable. This is your first milestone.

Once you can reach this state reliably, you will want to practice it daily if you're not already doing so. There will come a time after this where you dissociate for the first time. This is your second milestone. When it comes to how long this transition may take, I cannot give you a solid answer. I can say that it took me around a year and a half to move from the first “zen” state to my first dissociative experience. I wish I could be more specific on this step, as it is of course one of the pivotal moments sought after by those wanting to switch. Similarly to when first reaching the “zen” state, early dissociative experiences will most likely shock you out of them. It takes repeated practice to be able to reach and maintain dissociation, and you will find it a more stable and lengthened state as you continue to meditate.

I think it's important to lay out what dissociation is for people reading this and wondering about it. Dissociation is the separation of the consciousness from external stimulus. For me, it is characterized by the inability to hear things first and foremost, as well as not being innately aware of my eyes being closed. What I mean by this is that it does not feel like my eyes are closed, but I cannot see until I actively go and try to open them. The reason I put lack of hearing as the primary trait is that it will most likely be the most jarring thing for someone first experiencing dissociation. I know it was for me, at least. There are other things, like not feeling your tongue and losing the awareness of little itches and the like on your arms and legs, but those were less obvious to me at first. So, when meditating with the goal of dissociation in mind, try and compare your experiences to these traits to see if you are on the right track.

The third milestone of progress in this guide would be the ability to think while dissociated. This may be something you had not considered, but in my personal experience, it was a major hurdle to being able to visualize things while dissociated and later on entering the wonderland and interacting with my tulpas. I have very little in the way of advice for how to overcome this other than daily meditation practice. There was nothing specific that I did in 2013 as I dissociated to reach the level of conscious thought while dissociated. It simply occurred around two months after my first dissociative experience in September of 2013. If you are following the advice in this guide, however, I believe it will occur for you sometime relatively soon after reaching reliable dissociation.

To recap:

1. Practice meditation by acknowledging thoughts rather than focusing on breathing.

2. Keep doing this until you start to consistently run out of thoughts.

3. Keep going until you start to consistently dissociate.

4. Keep going until you start to be able to think while dissociated.

5. Meditate daily to keep and polish your ability.


Breaking Dissociation


In every experience of dissociation I've had, I have ended the session by consciously focusing on opening my eyes. The result is me opening my eyes in real life, back in my body. I do not believe it is possible to get "stuck" if you are just using meditation to dissociate. I don't do drugs, so I can't speak for a scenario mixing the two, and because of this I recommend not using drugs while dissociating. The only exception to this I've come across is alcohol. I have dissociated while drunk and been completely fine when coming back. Granted, I had been dissociating regularly for about a year at the time and felt fairly capable.


Using Dissociation While Forcing

I'll keep the personal introspection to a minimum. "Passive forcing" is relatively easy, and, for me, it feels like it's fairly cut and dry with regard to when it is and isn't occurring. If you are aware of your tulpa being around or are thinking of them, then passive forcing is arguably happening. If you're not, then passive forcing probably isn't happening. However, "active forcing" seems a bit harder to maintain a sense of boundary. Thinking solely about your tulpa is active forcing, however, and this is coming from my experience with trying to force while not dissociating, it's difficult to active force for long periods of time (over forty-five minutes or so).

I bypassed this issue through dissociation, and from here on out I'm going to assume you've reached a point where you can regularly dissocicate, too. It's extremely simple to active force using dissociation. Just dissociate, imagine your tulpa, and interact with them. If you're early on in the tulpa creation stage, use this time to talk to the tulpa, add in traits if you're doing that sort of thing, or work on their form with them. If you're later on, go nuts. Create a wonderland together, explore a wonderland, hang out, try and visualize a game of chess with them, etc.

There are benefits to using dissociation for forcing. Firstly, if you have dissociation under your command, you have a much easier time staying in the moment while forcing. Secondly, things that happen while dissociated are incredibly vivid in comparison to normal active forcing. This lack of a need to keep your focus on simply maintaining the session is an understated blessing because it allows you to more fully be in the moment with your tulpa, something I feel will definitely enhance the experience as well as the tulpa's development.


Using Dissociation for Switching

There are two sides to switching, and my approach uses dissociation and minor symbolism. Keep in mind that this symbolism is personal to me, and while I suggest you try it to see if this example works for you, feel free to use whatever helps you personally. Instead of a recap, I'm going to list the steps and then provide written elaboration afterwards.

1. Dissociate.

2a. Visualize a door to your wonderland.

2b. Have your tulpa visualize a door to your body.

3ab. Step through the respective doors.

Dissociation should be self explanatory at this point. Dissociate to a point where you are conscious and in a void. Do not enter the wonderland or interact with your tulpa at this point. Visualize a door that will lead to your wonderland. It doesn't have to be detailed or fancy, just any sort of door will do. Prior to dissociating, tell your tulpa to visualize a door that once passed through will drop them off in control of the body. Then, step through the door into your wonderland. Having tried to time which one of us walks through the door first, I can only reasonably say that if you walk through the door, your tulpa will walk through their door. It doesn't matter if one of you walks through slightly earlier than the other, since during this step, it's the action itself that has significance.

Once you've done this, you will either find yourself in your wonderland with your tulpa, indicating you've failed to switch, which is fine as it takes practice, or you will find yourself in your wonderland without your tulpa, indicating they've entered the body. If you consider these two outcomes to be the only ones, I can all but guarantee they will be, and you will not have to deal with any "tulpa is gone but no one is in the body" nonissues. However, if for some reason this scenario does occur, just break dissociation. Your tulpa will be fine.

How to know when you've switched properly? Using dissociation the way I've outlined in this guide, you'll know once you break dissociation and return to the body. Are things different? Are you standing now? Is your tulpa excited about having controlled the body? These are fairly common signs that you've switched.


Progressing Past Simple Switching

Some things to work on after you reach proficiency in switching:

Switching, then breaking dissociation without regaining control of the body (I call this "checking the front," but the terminology isn't that important in my opinion).

*Tip: The crux of the issue lies in your tulpa maintaining control, so if you can't manage to break dissociation without also regaining control of the body, your tulpa needs more practice and familiarity with holding control of the body.

Swapping the tulpa  who is in control with another while you maintain dissociation.

*Tip: This one should be approached from the angle of "replacing tulpa walks through door into wonderland while exiting tulpa walks through door into body."
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This is probably useful just to tell people that things can apparently be done in this way. You give a full blow-by-blow account of what it was like for you, but what you're telling people to do is actually extremely simple - just very usual meditation practice and that doing that for years will eventually let you dissociate. It's probably useful in some ways to tell people about your personal experience but I'd caution against "I don't believe that this can be done in 3-4 months" - a reasonable timeframe is OK, but I'm guessing that you don't actually have any good reason to think that it should take at least that long, only that it took you longer. Were your dissociative experiences initially accidental, by the way?

As it is it's pretty guide-ish, and maybe there really isn't much to it so I can't ask you to say more about it. That said, if you wanted to expand this to include using it for tulpa things, you might want to do it sooner rather than later. I think it's kind of obvious how this relates to that, but as far as utility goes, I guess that's implicitly what everyone is here for.

Nothing particularly amiss though, I'd probably approve for Guides. If you do want to double the length or something with additional material, we'd probably want to look over it again briefly (from experience it will probably be similar quality to what's already written, so that's fine).
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Removed the offending line that was almost certainly me being crotchety at people with very fast progress.

As to if my first dissociative experiences were accidental, yeah. I actually had a paragraph detailing how and why I started meditating and how that lead to dissociation, but it disappeared somewhere in transit. If you're personally curious, it was because I was grounded for something trivial and didn't want to give my parents the satisfaction of throwing a fit, so I tried to be as quiet as possible. Then I read the book The Eye of the World, which is a high fantasy novel with a bit about throwing your thoughts into a fire to clear your mind so you could do magic or whatever. I thought it was neat so I started doing that sort of thing most days for a little bit. Eventually I noticed it was helping me manage some emotional issues I was having, and then I dissociated for the first time. It was startling, and I was scared I had a brain issue or something at the time, so I researched it and eventually attributed the experience with dissociation. After that I linked it with lucid dreaming in a sense. I got to the point of being able to think and visualize while dissociated, and the rest of the time up until tulpa stuff was me using it to relax or be somewhere I wasn't, etc.
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I see you removed the thing about the time before I managed to talk about it, boo. How will I get my complaining quota filled this way.

I usually give people this tip when they want to write guides, often after seeing the first draft: a guide isn't you telling us about your experiences, it should tell us what to do. You can tell us about your experiences too, sure, it can be helpful... But we're not here to read your life story, you know?

There's a bit of a lack of telling us what to do here, I feel. I'm not the best person to rate meditation guides as I don't meditate and I don't know anything about it, really. But I can tell you, that as a person who knows nothing about meditation, I am a bit lost on what I should actually do here? Could you write more about it or point us in a direction that would help us get started? Is there something you followed yourself? What made you keep going? A lot of people aren't going to try to force themselves to stop thinking for months and months, but a little bit of encouragement might help? Did you have anything in particular? Any exercises that helped?

But while I don't do meditation, I do like what you have written about dissociating and how it feels, because well I dunno. I guess it's important to know how it feels so you can recognize it when you're about to get there. I have something that's not really GAT-related to talk about too so I'll just talk about it at the end whoop.

I second that it'd be nice to see more tulpa-related stuff here! Not just the switching, the obvious way to continue dissociation, but maybe some other things too. You learned to dissociate before you made tuppers or at least very early on, right? Did you use it in forcing in some way or form? How could it be used?

PS. Your font size made me double-check if my browser zoom was off. :<



Now the non-GAT stuff. I wonder if we first have to learn to not think to really dissociate. That did happen to me (accidental here too) and it seems like it has happened to others too. But there is the whole thing about having to learn to think while still staying in such a state. I have always felt like it could cause problems for someone - and hell, it was really freaky to me too before I understood it better. I wonder if some people might actually never learn how to think in that state. I dunno if it's bad as long as they don't just randomly zone out completely out of nowhere but...

I guess that's why I have tried seeing if people can skip the whole not thinking step. I don't know if it's really necessary in dissociation, just that it seems like it's the first time we feel it and know we can do it. At least I don't have a step that makes me stop thinking to switch, so it seems like it's unnecessary in the end? What do you think, do you still go through that and then make yourself think, or do you focus more on the imaginary senses?

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This seems like it might fit better in tips and tricks than guides, but what do I know.
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[Hail] For the record, I am NON-GAT, as in, I am not a member of it. That all said, I do have a few thoughts since I have done a bit of meditation and dissociation. It should be known from the outset that I was naturally dissociative and have had dissociation problems, so my own experiences my not carry over to those who are not already dissociative. I do have other comments as well.

(12-21-2015, 01:38 AM)Joshua Wrote: This is not a guide for switching. Rather, it is a guide for meditation so that one can eventually achieve reliable dissociation. If this goes over well or I have more time, whichever comes first, I will expand it to include a section on how we use dissociation to switch and how someone else might approach that.

I am actually OK with this guide focusing solely on meditation and dissociation without tying it directly to tulpamancy. That all said, some discussion of how it can be used at various stages or to do various things or how it ties in with other things would add to this guide. It could also be nice to give links to guides and tips of other people you think specifically will connect well with the content of your guide (as in, the next place to go to do something very specific after making progress along the path your guide instructs).

(12-21-2015, 01:38 AM)Joshua Wrote: This guide should be used as a reference for those who want a thought-out look into meditation for dissociation. I have been meditating daily since the summer of 2010, and I have found myself able to dissociate from my body consistently and quickly at this point. I have been able to dissociate semi-reliably since the fall of 2013, and I started work on my first tulpa in January of 2014. I was first successfully switched with my second tulpa, Mikasa, in May of 2014. I fully realize that this is not a realistic time period for someone to accomplish this, and I have been stumped by it ever since it happened. The most plausible explanation that I can muster up is that because I had regular experience with dissociation it was easier for me to get out of the way and work with my tulpa to let her switch. But enough about me.

Putting in a bit of personal experience can be useful, so long as it isn't too long. This is a good length. Now, I would make less statements about time tables for others, because people's innate ability to blank their mind and to dissociate varies. Now, you could say something along the lines of "if X, Y, and Z, it might take longer than it did for me. If U, V, and W, it might take less. But it will vary considerably." or something like that. I bring this up because I was getting some visual dissociation the second time I tried to meditate at all and within a month, I was able to mostly disconnect from the body (but not go anywhere inside, though), which is a pretty fast time. Others have taken a lot longer than you.

(12-21-2015, 01:38 AM)Joshua Wrote: Assuming that you have little to no experience with repeated meditation, then ideally you would start with thirty-minute sessions once or twice a day. If you decide to do more than one a day, I recommend waiting a few hours in between them to act as a bit of a palette cleanser. From what I have seen in advising others, meditating for too long at once will often be detrimental to long-term progress. As results will most likely take months at a time to achieve, longer meditation sessions with little to no change in between could frustrate and discourage. Shorter sessions counteract that.

This seems like good advice for helping people not feel frustrated if it takes a long time, since it very well could. I do have a question, would 20 and 40 minute sessions be just as good or are they less optimum? Basically, how precise are you being here. Is it better to do too long or do too little.

(12-21-2015, 01:38 AM)Joshua Wrote: Before reaching dissociation, you will be looking to reach a state of trance-like quiet within your mind. This is achieved by sitting in your chosen meditation position and allowing your mind to run out of thoughts. I know that many types of meditation will have you focus on your breathing, but I want you to instead simply acknowledge whatever thoughts float by in your mind. This should be done passively, not actively, and what I mean by that is that you should not hear your inner monologue acknowledge the thoughts. This leads to more thoughts. What you will be looking to do is stop thinking. Easier said than done, of course, but as you practice over the course of weeks and months you will find that near the end of your thirty minutes you will have a state of quiet. Oftentimes, the realization that you are in this state will jolt you out of it, which can be frustrating, but continue to meditate daily and this state will increase in length, come around earlier in the session, and become more stable. This is your first milestone.

Seems good other than the statement in the first sentence. I've had bad luck with concentrating on breathing getting me to this state and have had better luck with trying to prevent concentrating on anything or concentrating on a lack of thoughts or feeling (a bit different than what you are recommending, but perhaps I should try your method and see if it is faster or otherwise more optimum and I do agree with you that concentrating on breathing isn't always the best). As for the first sentence, I don't think it is necessary to reach a trance-like quiet before dissociating. For me, it seemed like a low level of dissociation came easier and then I could get closer to a trance-like quiet and then could dissociate a bit more and then closer to a trance-like quiet and so on. Perhaps the path you speak of is the most common or is the most effective for most people - I don't know. I just think that it may not be the only way. A better way to say the first sentence would be to say "A reliable way to reach dissociation is to instead reach a state of trance-like quiet within your mind.", which I think is an accurate statement. It certainly is a reliable method, maybe even the optimum for most people, but the sentence is then not stating an absolute.

(12-21-2015, 01:38 AM)Joshua Wrote: Once you can reach this state reliably, you will want to practice it daily. There will come a time after this where you dissociate for the first time. This is your second milestone. When it comes to how long this transition may take, I cannot give you a solid answer. I do not believe it can occur quickly, though. It took me around a year and a half to move from the first “zen” state to my first dissociative experience. I wish I could be more specific on this step, as it is of course one of the pivotal moments sought after by those wanting to switch. Similarly to when first reaching the “zen” state, early dissociative experiences will most likely shock you out of them. It takes repeated practice to be able to reach and maintain dissociation, and you will find it a more stable and lengthened state as you continue to meditate.

I think the most important thing you did here was say that one needs to practice the meditation regularly. Meditation and dissociation ability can really slip away without practice. Do be careful about timetables. But it is perfectly OK for you to share how long it took you, or if you have more data, how long it can take others.

(12-21-2015, 01:38 AM)Joshua Wrote: I think it's important to lay out what dissociation is for people reading this and wondering about it. Dissociation is the separation of the consciousness from external stimulus. For me, it is characterized by the inability to hear things first and foremost, as well as not being innately aware of my eyes being closed. What I mean by this is that it does not feel like my eyes are closed, but I cannot see until I actively go and try to open them. The reason I put lack of hearing as the primary trait is that it will most likely be the most jarring thing for someone first experiencing dissociation. I know it was for me, at least. There are other things, like not feeling your tongue and losing the awareness of little itches and the like on your arms and legs, but those were less obvious to me at first. So, when meditating with the goal of dissociation in mind, try and compare your experiences to these traits to see if you are on the right track.

I am in agreement with Sands in that I like that you have described a bit of how dissociation feels like. A word of warning might be useful. Losing the ability to sense certain things can put oneself in some level of danger. Best to warn people here to make sure they are in a safe place and not going to overheat or get cold and other things (recently, I ended up overheating very badly during a meditation session before I realized something was wrong). Also, before losing sensation of the tongue or other body part, it might go tingly first, which can also jar one out of dissociation the first few times.

(12-21-2015, 01:38 AM)Joshua Wrote: The third milestone of progress in this guide would be the ability to think while dissociated. This may be something you had not considered, but in my personal experience, it was a major hurdle to being able to visualize things while dissociated and later on entering the wonderland and interacting with my tulpas. I have very little in the way of advice for how to overcome this other than daily meditation practice. There was nothing specific that I did in 2013 as I dissociated to reach the level of conscious thought while dissociated. It simply occurred around two months after my first dissociative experience in September of 2013. If you are following the advice in this guide, however, I believe it will occur for you sometime relatively soon after reaching reliable dissociation.

This milestone is definitely important if one wants to get inside instead of just being dormant. A useful thing I have found is that if one wants to start thinking at this point, it is not a good idea for someone to start possessing the body. For me and a few other hosts that I know, that makes it even harder to begin to be able to think (I definitely can't think unless my tulpas, Tri, actively think about me in this state just like young tulpas generally aren't active unless their host actively thinks about them).

(12-21-2015, 01:38 AM)Joshua Wrote: This is the information I have regarding meditation for dissociation. I will expand this guide at a later date to include how we use dissociation that arises from this method to vividly force, possess, and switch, but it may be a few weeks.

This might be where a few tidbits and links to other people's resources to go along different paths would be good to have. And when you write a guide on those other topics, you could then add links to them from here. Basically, a bunch of smaller single topic guides instead of a giant monster that is all over the place.



(12-21-2015, 04:17 PM)Sands Wrote: Now the non-GAT stuff. I wonder if we first have to learn to not think to really dissociate. That did happen to me (accidental here too) and it seems like it has happened to others too. But there is the whole thing about having to learn to think while still staying in such a state. I have always felt like it could cause problems for someone - and hell, it was really freaky to me too before I understood it better. I wonder if some people might actually never learn how to think in that state. I dunno if it's bad as long as they don't just randomly zone out completely out of nowhere but...

I guess that's why I have tried seeing if people can skip the whole not thinking step. I don't know if it's really necessary in dissociation, just that it seems like it's the first time we feel it and know we can do it. At least I don't have a step that makes me stop thinking to switch, so it seems like it's unnecessary in the end? What do you think, do you still go through that and then make yourself think, or do you focus more on the imaginary senses?

For me, the two (not thinking and dissociation) increased together at the same time and then I was able to jump to completely dissociating a bit before I could completely stop thinking. Like you, I wonder if the dissociation could be done without any stop thinking, which is more than them going hand in hand. As for your wondering if people can get stuck there and not be able to start thinking again, I know a few people in that situation. One even starts to black out and not get memory of what is happening, but still can't start thinking and therefore can't begin to try to make it to their wonderland.

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So then what's the difference between your "dormant dissociation" (assuming there isn't a tulpa using your body at the time) and sleeping?
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(12-22-2015, 09:42 PM)Lacquer Wrote: So then what's the difference between your "dormant dissociation" (assuming there isn't a tulpa using your body at the time) and sleeping?

[Hail] That is a good question. Normally, I enter that state when Tri is possessing. It used to be a gradual entering, but now whenever they yank the reigns I go into it rather automatically (typically within a few seconds). Now, as for times when Tri doesn't possess. I guess it is a difference in awareness. In the dormant dissociation, if a thought does happen, it can pull waking memories. But while I am asleep, I do not have access to any of those memories and instead have the memories of the dream world, which usually only minimally carry over from dream to dream but are retained decently well within a dream (yes, when I am dreaming, I can remember things from previous dreams if they are in the same dream world, which they usually are). Also, I can fall asleep in such a state, which actually makes getting fully inside to do switching tricky. There is also a bit of a difference in awareness. Hard to describe being aware but not thinking. If not completely dissociated, then there is an awareness of what is not dissociated. Now, if completely dissociated, I am at a loss. I have never been in a dormant completely dissociated state.

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(12-22-2015, 08:51 PM)FallFamily Wrote: As for your wondering if people can get stuck there and not be able to start thinking again, I know a few people in that situation. One even starts to black out and not get memory of what is happening, but still can't start thinking and therefore can't begin to try to make it to their wonderland.

Are these people the kind who have gotten tuppers/whatever they choose to call them naturally? I know that there is that stereotype that people with multiple personalities will black out as another personality takes control. Would be interesting to see if something like this is more common to the "naturals" than those who intentionally create tuppers. Seems like many switchers end up doing it by accident for their first time, though.


(12-22-2015, 03:22 AM)Lacquer Wrote: This seems like it might fit better in tips and tricks than guides, but what do I know.

I have actually been wondering if this is more resources material. After all, things that aren't related to tuppers go there, and this could be seen as meditation aid rather than something about tuppers. Dissociation is something of a gray area in my eyes, something that can become tulpa-related by leading it into a switch or something, but I wonder if it's tulpa-related on its own. Might still be a bit of a new thing in the community and enough people haven't done it.

As for "is it tips or tricks", my trick for that tends to be seeing if I can easily sum the idea up with one sentence and not lose what the author was trying to tell me. Can you do it for this one? Maybe. That's why I was in favor of adding a bit more explanation.

(12-22-2015, 09:42 PM)Lacquer Wrote: So then what's the difference between your "dormant dissociation" (assuming there isn't a tulpa using your body at the time) and sleeping?

Not exactly a question for me as I don't really feel the need to do this without a tupper being in control of the body (and even then, eh), but there's one thing that makes switching quite different from just sleeping. Mainly, dream logic. You're conscious when you switch/dissociate, not so when you sleep. Lucid dreaming might be another story, but we would need more lucid dreamers and then some equipment to monitor them to find out more. I wonder if the body actually is sleeping when you dissociate without anyone being in control, though.

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(12-23-2015, 12:57 PM)Sands Wrote: Are these people the kind who have gotten tuppers/whatever they choose to call them naturally? I know that there is that stereotype that people with multiple personalities will black out as another personality takes control. Would be interesting to see if something like this is more common to the "naturals" than those who intentionally create tuppers. Seems like many switchers end up doing it by accident for their first time, though.

[Hail] The ones that we know of in this situation were all plural before making tulpas (and one never made tulpas), though one was seemingly a single person which was only seen later to not be the case. The blackout with one of the systems happens when the host goes dormant while a deliberate tulpa (not a natural one) possesses for at least a day straight. There could very well be a correlation between this and being plural before making a tulpa.

(12-23-2015, 12:57 PM)Sands Wrote: Not exactly a question for me as I don't really feel the need to do this without a tupper being in control of the body (and even then, eh), but there's one thing that makes switching quite different from just sleeping. Mainly, dream logic. You're conscious when you switch/dissociate, not so when you sleep. Lucid dreaming might be another story, but we would need more lucid dreamers and then some equipment to monitor them to find out more. I wonder if the body actually is sleeping when you dissociate without anyone being in control, though.

Well, there is a difference between being asleep and catatonic. Such a dormant state might, if no one else is controlling the body, result in the body being catatonic.

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