Perceiving the host as a god/deity

[Nageki]

This is such a weird topic, but once the thought occurred to me I couldn't get it out of my mind lol.

 

Alright, so. Assuming all the conditions are right, do you think it's possible for a tulpa to believe that their host is some sort of deity? And do you think it's possible for that belief to persevere into the long term?

 

I mean like, a god or deity is often something that can create and destroy life, right? A tulpamancer has the ability to bring a tulpa to life, and they also have the ability to snuff it out. There's a huge power imbalance between the host and their tulpa, as the host is the owner of the body and the brain, and is the original mind. At least to me, it's not too big a mental leap from that to the assumption that, yes, in certain circumstances, a tulpa might mistakenly believe that their host is indeed a god. (Or maybe not mistakenly? I guess it ultimately depends on your definition of what a "god" is.)

 

Arro wants me to add that, for the record, he does not believe that I am a god, and that he never has. I'm just too curious about other people's opinions on this for my own good.

[Aijada]

Before we found this place, i had taken to calling my host "Dad" because i'd figured out that he'd created me in his own head. I seriously wanted to acknowledge that fact because it was important to my own understanding of myself. I knew i wasn't a 'natural' person and that he'd been involved in raising me and helping me understand things and that was the only comparison i really had to define it.

 

I'm certainly glad he didn't act like my 'god' pushing me around and making me do things. It was a lot nicer to be respected and treated with kindness and good information.

[Nageki]

I'm certainly glad he didn't act like my 'god' pushing me around and making me do things. It was a lot nicer to be respected and treated with kindness and good information.

 

That's actually something I've been thinking about, but decided not to add to the OP. Like what if a host acted like a god instead of a friend/parent figure/etc and basically manipulated the tulpa into believing they were one? It's unsettling to think about.

[NoneFromHell]

Technically is a tulpamancer some sort of god in a way, as you already described. I think the main difference would be that the creation of the host is meant to be equal to him (atleast to some degree), so the difference between host and tulpa gets very small after all. A tulpa is capable of being some kind of god aswell after this definition, since they've the ability to create aswell. Let that be something in the wonderland, or even another "secret tulpa". I think if you would try to keep your tulpa small, and keep telling them that you're some sort of god, they would probably believe that. But after all we're reasonable people without a god complex, so there simply is no reason to do something like that.

[Luminesce]

I've thought about this just as food-for-thought in the past. Not very ethical, but you could probably develop a tulpa without ever letting it know the outside world exists... Or that you exist. The idea always seemed interesting to me, having a tulpa-like thoughtform live in an extremely detailed wonderland without knowledge of their host or other outside things. But it's nothing more than an idea, because that's lab-rat levels of unethical. And wasted potential IMO.

 

Most tulpas are pretty down-to-earth about their own existence, but I assume one that was kept relatively sheltered from the outside world could maybe see their host as an all-powerful being. Though a true God wouldn't be able to directly interact with them, and for some reason I feel like that's not what you're talking about. A "god of this world" sort of god, maybe. I dunno. Sounds like mental RP and wasted tulpa potential + an imminent identity crisis, to me.

[Paranoid Llama]

Well I'm sure by some point, when the tulpa becomes more informed, they would come to drop this belief. To be perceived as a deity by your tulpa would be to show no negative drawbacks of yourself and having no weaknesses, and that's pretty much impossible for any human to accomplish. You could argue that the host refuses the tulpa the access to certain information, like what traits a real god must have, and deny them access to perceive the world through your senses, but that would be pretty cruel on the host's part.

 

But if, like you said, the tulpa mistakens their host as a god, then I guess the host would either take that as a joke or correct them, so that wouldn't happen for the long term. But then again, the intention of the host concerning the development of their tulpa becomes a big factor in the sustainability of this belief.

 

Pretty thought provoking.

[Guest Anonymous]

Perceiving Felix as a god? The thought is funny. I'm trying to take this seriously. But I don't know what else to say. xD

 

 

Greets,

Rina

[Raetin]

Well I'm sure by some point, when the tulpa becomes more informed, they would come to drop this belief. To be perceived as a deity by your tulpa would be to show no negative drawbacks of yourself and having no weaknesses, and that's pretty much impossible for any human to accomplish. You could argue that the host refuses the tulpa the access to certain information, like what traits a real god must have, and deny them access to perceive the world through your senses, but that would be pretty cruel on the host's part.

 

Not necessarily. If you think back on polytheistic religions, they have gods with many traits. A common example would be the Roman/Greek gods. There are so many flaws to be found in there character, but they're still all powerful beings.

 

I never thought about it, but I think some of the thought forms in my head might think of my tulpas as god(esses). There's a small village near our wonderland house, full of dream folk (random thought forms). I've strolled in there a couple of times and they haven't really thought much of me, since I'm hardly in the wonderland. For my tulpas though, it's another story. My tulpas have powers and are pretty much the strongest beings there, having the power to create and destroy, which the dream folk can't do. That said, this isn't really the same thing though, because dream folk aren't sentient (I hope).

[Nageki]

I think the intention of the host absolutely would play a big part in something like this, though like the rest of you, I also believe that creating a tulpa for the sole purpose of playing a god would be immensely cruel.

 

The sustainability of the host giving off the illusion of being a god is an interesting point. Given that a human being's attention is limited (like how nobody is able to truly multitask, aka having their full attention on two or more things at the same time), I doubt a person could keep up the facade for any real length of time before slipping up, or even getting bored and moving on to something more interesting. In that case it'd be up to the tulpa to keep the illusion alive, whether consciously or not.

[FadingSpectrum]

Demetrius: I thought of Fade as some kinda god for a while. That was way back when, when she was, like, "puppet master" on us and didn't really understand that we were moving more on our own than anything else. She and Troy had to tell me she wasn't a god. Got told I was the only one stupid enough to think that for as long as I did.

 

Troy: None of us said that.

 

Demetrius: Ya'll implied it.

Anyway. It's possible that you could make a tulpa or soulbond believe that, but it'd be hard to keep up unless they were kinda slow or didn't pay you much attention. I think the latter's rare 'round the tulpa community.

Since, you know, you aren't really a god and can't really be all omniscient on their ass or nothing, yeeeaah. After a certain point, maybe the tulpa'd start questioning it. Depends on the tulpa themselves, but you never know. It's be a 'lil cruel to keep them thinking you're a god. That's lying to them.

 

Fade: What is the definition of "god" here, anyway? All-powerful being? Because you (at least start out being) pretty close to that to your tulpas unless you back off and let them do their own thing, you know. Some of the people in our alternate universes would consider us gods for the way we've created and screwed with the worlds, some wouldn't. And in a few alternate worlds, some of us are deities.

...I don't know if any of this counts here, since we're a soulbond system. And probably a little more metaphysical than most tulpamancers here. Sorry.