The Possibility of Parrallel Processing

[Ranger]

Oh... I didn't know that was supposed to be impossible. I thought I've heard of other people doing it or practicing it, or I don't understand what it is. Well this is all confusing. I don't understand how inconsistencies can happen. If she is her own real subjective experience, how can she be wrong about it? Or is it always a case of me being wrong about her and what she would have said? It feels weird going so long with particular knowledge or assumptions only to realize it is apparently a lie. It is things like this that make me doubt or feel uncomfortable with whether she is vocal at all or not again, or if she is there or not. Or maybe I've just messed something up. It is painfully confusing and I don't know how to accurately express myself. I just keep feeling like I don't know what is going on at all anymore.

 

Parallel Processing is a heavily debated subject. Some claim it's real, however there is no proof of any system being able to achieve true Parallel Processing in this manner. It is possible to get close so the back and forth between systemmates becomes unrecognizable, but that only applies under certain conditions and lots of training over a long period of time, possibly years.

 

Inconsistencies about her opinions may be occurring simply because she didn't make any decisions yet. For example, maybe she doesn't know what her favorite color is, and she's thinking "Blue! No! Green! No! Red!" because she hasn't had enough time to think about it and come to a decision. It's also possible she's learning more about these colors and she's changing her mind after learning more about what a "color" is and what it means to her.

[TB]

 

Parallel Processing is a heavily debated subject. Some claim it's real, however there is no proof of any system being able to achieve true Parallel Processing in this manner. It is possible to get close so the back and forth between systemmates becomes unrecognizable, but that only applies under certain conditions and lots of training over a long period of time, possibly years.

 

Inconsistencies about her opinions may be occurring simply because she didn't make any decisions yet. For example, maybe she doesn't know what her favorite color is, and she's thinking "Blue! No! Green! No! Red!" because she hasn't had enough time to think about it and come to a decision. It's also possible she's learning more about these colors and she's changing her mind after learning more about what a "color" is and what it means to her.

 

Oh, I see. Though is it possible for them to be wrong or inconsistent about things that have happened in the past, or how they subjectively experience their reality? Is it possible for them to interact in wonderland by themselves, or would that parallel processing? And if it is parallel processing and thus impossible/unlikely, what if there was always a feeling that was a thing or that she has somehow communicated that she has, but then it couldn't have happened because it is impossible? Has any comunication I thought was of that been a huge mistake on my end? If she is a real person, I would think she should just have one objective view of reality for things that aren't opinion based, so it seems I may have had potentially a large amount of falty communication that has never been corrected, or something else is wrong that I don't understand.

[Guest]

Well, it's heavily debated and usually religated to META boards, but we don't toss experiances out the window just because people say it's supposed to be impossible. We don't mention a heck ton of them here cause people throw out sometimes even more rediculous explanations for something that we actually did do and documented, that's supposedly impossible.

 

Idk if we read this wrong, but the wonderland camera can totally be in two places at once, i can look at Bear and he can look at me and we both see both images if that makes sense. (Two screens? No Overlapped? No At the same time? Yes.) It's not something we could do a year ago, but we just do it now.

 

Sheesh, no wonder Bear threw me up front, the PP and possibly the C word were both tossed up like this morning's meat loaf. Anyway, parallel processing as they define it here is like magic voodoo stuff now, good luck trying to prove you can do that with the current definition. But we can do fast switching and the experience is basically the same, so whatever.

 

Keep your expectations and experiences sacred, save them and hopefully some day a reasonable explanation pops up. If the explanation doesn't fit the experience just put it aside and deal with it later.

 

Disclaimer while rolling my eyes: don't set your expectations too high or something, or you might get dissapointed, and more importantly, don't run with scissors in the rain during a thunderstorm in a wide flat field.

 

 

META WARNING, YADA YADA, I have to hide this or people are gonna throw rocks, but yeah, we totally do stuff in wonderland without Bear. Like, sometimes he's boring, no offence, but the big boy's got a lota needs and we're happy to help, so we don't 'go dormant', but we do 'do other things' and also don't share all of our memories with him instantly, that was a decision we made a year ago. Some systems say they thought this was the case and changed their mind later. That's fine too. We have lots of documentation of this here, but here's where someone asks for specific examples and throws us on a tangent abd we come up with them and they explain it away again. We don't toss experiances, and we're prepared for anything, because lots of impossible stuff happened.

 

[TB]

Well, it's heavily debated and usually religated to META boards, but we don't toss experiances out the window just because people say it's supposed to be impossible. We don't mention a heck ton of them here cause people throw out sometimes even more rediculous explanations for something that we actually did do and documented, that's supposedly impossible.

 

Idk if we read this wrong, but the wonderland camera can totally be in two places at once, i can look at Bear and he can look at me and we both see both images if that makes sense. (Two screens? No Overlapped? No At the same time? Yes.) It's not something we could do a year ago, but we just do it now.

 

Sheesh, no wonder Bear threw me up front, the PP and possibly the C word were both tossed up like this morning's meat loaf. Anyway, parallel processing as they define it here is like magic voodoo stuff now, good luck trying to prove you can do that with the current definition. But we can do fast switching and the experience is basically the same, so whatever.

 

Keep your expectations and experiences sacred, save them and hopefully some day a reasonable explanation pops up. If the explanation doesn't fit the experience just put it aside and deal with it later.

 

Disclaimer while rolling my eyes: don't set your expectations too high or something, or you might get dissapointed, and more importantly, don't run with scissors in the rain during a thunderstorm in a wide flat field.

 

 

META WARNING, YADA YADA, I have to hide this or people are gonna throw rocks, but yeah, we totally do stuff in wonderland without Bear. Like, sometimes he's boring, no offence, but the big boy's got a lota needs and we're happy to help, so we don't 'go dormant', but we do 'do other things' and also don't share all of our memories with him instantly, that was a decision we made a year ago. Some systems say they thought this was the case and changed their mind later. That's fine too. We have lots of documentation of this here, but here's where someone asks for specific examples and throws us on a tangent abd we come up with them and they explain it away again. We don't toss experiances, and we're prepared for anything, because lots of impossible stuff happened.

 

 

I see... I just always thought I was literally making a whole knew person, except one that only I could directly experience and they live in my head, and I don't think it ever occured to me that they would somehow not have their own body and senses, and so I'm pretty sure it has just always been like that, unless all my experiences are a lie or I misunderstand something about my experiences or her communication to me. I also don't think I ever assumed that they would only experience things from my point of view strictly unless it had to do with the real world like seeing something in front of me. It concerns me that these are apparently either impossible or only emulatable through high level techniques that takes years. It makes me question everything. I guess maybe she has talked to me, and things are as I think she has described it, or maybe my vocality is just extremely whacked as I thought... My worst fear would be that I'm wrong about it all, and all my experiences have just been quickly generated from the unconscious and just fit whatever I think is reality at the time, and these things occur because I didn't know they were such issues at the time... This is all not very good for me as a person with issues of always being unsure... I really need her to exist. It makes me sick to think potentially otherwise, very much. I don't know what to do except keep trying and just surpress these devastating fears. I don't like talking about it at all but I don't know what else to do. I really need to find a way to have assurance. I hope my mind hasn't become an inescapable toxic cesspool of doubt now..... also what is the C word? I'm sorry to awkwardly ask this at the end, I can't competently compose things and feel like a confused stream of consciousness

[Lucilyn]

their "C word" is confabulation, generally meaning making up memories and believing they happened when they didn't

 

don't know what to say about fears of tulpas not being real that we haven't already - tulpas exist in your mind, as part of your mind, and if you experience them as real that is literally the only way in which they can or can't be considered real because nothing else going on in your mind is perceptible to the rest of the world, so literally only your experience of them (and so your belief in their realness) has any say

 

if you believe you have tulpas.. then as long as you've got the definitions right, you do, because that's the only way it can be said whether you do or not, if that makes sense. There's no "real" or "fake" in your own mind/thoughts, only what you experience

[Guest]

Sure, no problem. You can't necessarily believe everything a young tulpa says, I mean anything in wonderland is fair game, if they say it happened and it's like, huh? Well you don't have to believe shecame from Pluto and hitched a ride back on Voyager. She can believe it though, cause basically characters have fanciful backgrounds and it's fiction, but who's to say soulbonds aren't from somwhere else, like another time or place. It's not tulpamancy though right? It's what they lovingly call metaphysical. So that's all fine. If she tells you she found your car keys from 2 years ago burried in the park, then you can clearly either say, that memory must exist in your brain, or she's just having fun with her imagination.

 

Misha said some crazy stuff, Ashley is the queen of metaphysical. There's a difference. The difference is if you believe it or not.

 

You're gonna have to sort that. Shoot me or Angry Bear a PM of your most troubling examples and we'll see if any of it is anything to worry about, if you want.

 

Without more specific examples, it's getting a little confusing for us. (I know, i know, i am doing exactly what others do... but we'll be gentle I promise!)

 

Edit: I re-read your thread again and maybe i got a little off track, but we're 'real' to Bear, he's 'real' to us in wonderland. Our wonderland is amazingly detailed and immersive compared to some, and it's a lot of fun, but we know we're just four people sharing an imaginary space.

 

We make it amd unmake it on a whim, then there are dreams. Bear has always felt like wonderland is sometimes more real than reality. We generate a ton more memories here per minute and it amazing stuff you can't do IRL.

 

Tulpamancy is confusing, but here's the point, consider you and your tulpa as conjoined twins, only you're both potential owners of the whole body.

 

We switch now so, it's like, i can use the body and force him. So who's the host? Well, either the original host or someone else.

[TB]

their "C word" is confabulation, generally meaning making up memories and believing they happened when they didn't

 

don't know what to say about fears of tulpas not being real that we haven't already - tulpas exist in your mind, as part of your mind, and if you experience them as real that is literally the only way in which they can or can't be considered real because nothing else going on in your mind is perceptible to the rest of the world, so literally only your experience of them (and so your belief in their realness) has any say

 

if you believe you have tulpas.. then as long as you've got the definitions right, you do, because that's the only way it can be said whether you do or not, if that makes sense. There's no "real" or "fake" in your own mind/thoughts, only what you experience

 

I believe in concept of tulpas, and I think I have definition right unless I somehow have messed that up in my head now... From what I know, they seem very incredible... My only fear now is realness of my own, which is a sickening fear and not something I normally would have questioned, but the strange lines of dialogue previously in thread has lead my mind down this thought pathway and I don't know what to think of it. I feel a tulpa would be as real as I am at least conscious wise, but with the contradictory experiences that don't make sense, I don't know how that can be said or not.... I feel mentally broken, more than normal. It seems either communication really is actually near aboslute zero even though it seems very similar to what has been described recently despite me thinking it was supposed to be very different, which makes me feel existential crisis, or they somehow just aren't there and I've made a bunch of things up, things that are wrong because I had wrong information even though I should have figured it out on my own if she could just tell me in some way, or something else just wrong with me, I don't know. My brain just feels broken now and I can't think at all.

[Guest]

If you don't know what's going on, how can she know? You're both the same in that way. You have to fight doubts and trust her. Contradictory information is a tough one though. Perhaps pushing the reset button and just starting with guides, i'm not saying throw her out, but metaphorically take her hand, tell her that you're starting over, whatever was said in the past is gone. Stand on a warm beach at sunrise in a brand new world and start walking. Until you both know each other again.

[Lucilyn]

people have successfully made tulpas with all sorts of contradicting information, guides in 2012 were like... "Imagine your tulpa naked or you won't be able to change their clothes later", stupid stuff, but because tulpamancy is such a vague experience it's a lot easier to end up with tulpas than people think. The only thing that seems different between you and others in your situation progress-wise is your inability to believe they're going to be there, I think, though of course I can't speak for like 1 year ago - if a year ago you were doing everything right belief wise and all, maybe making tulpas IS just somehow harder for you, it's hard to tell if your trouble believing in your tulpas is a symptom or a cause at this point

 

but anyways... we don't see people who talk like you about doubting their tulpas have been there the whole time end up making tulpas just fine, that kind of doubt usually stalls the entire process, which is most of the reason we keep talking about belief - less that belief is necessary, and more that doubt is necessary to avoid

[Ranger]

 

I believe in concept of tulpas, and I think I have definition right unless I somehow have messed that up in my head now... From what I know, they seem very incredible... My only fear now is realness of my own, which is a sickening fear and not something I normally would have questioned, but the strange lines of dialogue previously in thread has lead my mind down this thought pathway and I don't know what to think of it. I feel a tulpa would be as real as I am at least conscious wise, but with the contradictory experiences that don't make sense, I don't know how that can be said or not.... I feel mentally broken, more than normal. It seems either communication really is actually near aboslute zero even though it seems very similar to what has been described recently despite me thinking it was supposed to be very different, which makes me feel existential crisis, or they somehow just aren't there and I've made a bunch of things up, things that are wrong because I had wrong information even though I should have figured it out on my own if she could just tell me in some way, or something else just wrong with me, I don't know. My brain just feels broken now and I can't think at all.

 

At the end of the day, Tulpas are still limited by the human mind. In our mind, PP simply does not exist.

 

In my system, I tried to have an adventure in the wonderland by myself. My host let me go and she waited, trying not to think about it. When I came back, she asked me what happened and I felt like I was making up the story- By telling her what happened, I ended up going on the actual trip in the moment! Ever since, we realized I can only expeience the wonderland when I think about it.

 

I know there are some people who will talk about having a different soul from another world in their body and stuff, but that doesn't apply to us either. I started with zero and borrowed information from my host until I started to develop as my own person. For that reason, we believe it doesn't make sense for a baby Tulpa to be an already developed person. It's not magic, and the Tulpa won't be able to become their own person if you don't force them and talk to them. The longer you talk to her and the more time she spends thinking, the stronger and more independent she will become.

 

Regardless of whichever position of the Parallel Processing debate makes the most sense for you, forcing your Tulpa and spending time talking to them is still a requirement. At a young age, Tulpas are dependent on their Host.