Vocality Trouble After 2 Years

[TB]

So you're not hearing what you want to hear, I get that, but yeah, i can create a thoughtform on the fly and talk to them. They are not necessarily the best conversation, but if I develop them through the course of a book or just interact with them, they either pick up personality or they grow it, so eventually they're pretty lucid.

 

Say i wanted to talk to a coal miner to see the world from thier perspective inside a coal mine, i could do that, but they wouldn't inherently know any more about coal mining than I do. They could be pretty believable though because I've watched the discovery channel, and they might pick up memories that i forgot I knew. Since it wouldn't be me 'remembering them' from my perspective, then it sounds like they knew it.

 

This is a weird example, but you have memories of things you long forgot how to access. Tulpas or other thoughtforms can build the bridge to that memory because they're looking from that perspective. Like a thoughtform that only thinks about orange things for example. Well you gotta expect they're only going to talk about the fruit for a while until they can have a chance to grow past that constraint.

 

As a tulpa matures their personality grows and their experiences add to their knowledge in a way that makes them very much like you and me. We have the advantage of a fully fleshed out personality, but they catch up pretty quick because they're starting with the basics preloaded and they borrow from you a lot early on. That perspective they have grows and differentiates them from you and what you might say.

 

Endeering in that you want them.

 

You're entirely missing the point of tulpamancy i think. Yes, your tulpa starts out being pretty much like any other random character, but the more you force them,  the more they develop until they're very much their own person. So say, Vegeta, might make for a pretty good Vegeta clone, maybe you know a lot about the character and his mannerisms, but outside of the dragon ball universe, he'll learn things that help him in this universe. So he'll start out as a Vegeta clone, but he might end up someone completely different.

 

So a random walk-in looks and talks and seems like a tulpa, but they're not a tulpa right away, it takes effort on your part to help them rely more on themselves and less on you as the example of how they should act.

 

When do they become a tulpa? Well you need to first suspend disbelief and believe they're a tulpa, then eventually you won't need to take so much on faith. They'll prove it through a ton of subjective and personal ways that don't fit in neat little test tubes (scientifically speaking).

 

I would say my tulpas were a lot like their original characters on day one, but after a week, they were pretty different, and after a year, they're not at all like the originals, personality wise.

 

So you're Vegeta tulpa won't really be very similar to my Vegeta tulpa after a while.

 

So you're hung up on mechanics, voice, feel, wonderland dynamics, these are all very much system tools that you and your tulpa use to interact. They can get better and improve, but if you think switching is going to solve your problem, i don't agree. Let's say I could switch with a tree, then that's no different than forcing interactions with a tree. So sure, it could be a valid forcing technique, but it's usually considered an advanced tool because you and your tulpa need to be pretty well established and differentiated, or you'll more or less be in the same boat of doubt that you have now.  You're not giving any credit to the development of tulpa your tulpa it seems. In that case your less likely to see their development at all.

 

In your very essence, you are pure thought, completely imaginary or completely real depending on how you look at it. Tulpas are the same.

 

You should really not be so worried about the mechanics, obviously you're capable of starting a tulpa with vocality, but you haven't been concentrating on them, your focused more about how they are or should be acting. Everyone is different here, but yeah, we already told you the basics and you know them, but you keep expecting it to be magic and amazing. It can be amazing at times, but that takes development. You get a huge headstart if you start with an already vocal character, i did that I guess.

 

You can keep asking these questions and I'll keep answering them, but others will probably grow weary of it. I am one of those people who keep doing the same thing over and over and do expect a different result, because sometimes persistence pays off, even when others are convinced they won't, but yeah, reality is not magic, but you can definitely have the same awsome experiences others talk about here.

 

Reread this whole thread, i think you're missing the point somewhere.

I really do give my tulpa's development a lot of credit, and spend the majority of my time with them. I just sound a lot harsher in these posts compared to how I actually treat them personally because I want to analyze everything carefully and make sure things are correct, and if not, how they could be fixed. I guess the take away is that it shouldn't be thought about too deeply, and I messed up with taking things too seriously and misunderstanding how vocality is supposed to sound. And I only feared for her existence when I thought impossible things had happened, but maybe they just aren't impossible, and I just won't think about it. She is very much her own person, and I suppose must have fully developed vocality that is just heavily damaged due to intrusive thoughts and anxiety blocking things. I'm sorry if I have been an annoyance.

 

You should worry about switching when you and your tulpa are both ready, nobody can tell you when that will be. It's probably best to get into a state of mind where you're confident in your tulpa's existence/sentience and her ability to think/speak before moving on to those more "advanced" things anyway. Diving right into switching would be a tiny bit of a stretch imo, probably would be better to focus on just possession/fronting before trying to switch. Failing at switching time and time again only caused us more doubt, not less. Fronting, though, negates doubt.

 

 

I'm fairly confident in her existence, I guess not in my ability to parse my anxious thoughts and make sense of them. And what is fronting in this context then? I thought having a tulpa front was a term to refer to them being switched.

 

Hello, what's the name of your tulpa, please ?

 

Instead of learning switching, your tulpa could learn possession with you : try together to have her twitch your fingers, for instance, then your hand, your arm, and other parts of the body. That's a very good practice to destroy one's host's doubts.

 

Her name is Rena. I'll consider trying possession then.

[Guest]

It's no trouble.

 

Look for posession tips in guides.

[Piano Soul]

Fronting - controlling the mind/body

Switching - one fronts while the other "leaves the front," goes inactive, and/or enters a "tulpa-like state."

 

Just controlling the body on its own isn't enough to be considered a switch, there has to be a switch in (fronting) as well as a switch out. Whatever state your tulpa is normally in, you'd have to be in for it to be considered a switch.

[Vādin]

Hello Rena ! I'm glad to know your name.

[TB]

Fronting - controlling the mind/body

Switching - one fronts while the other "leaves the front," goes inactive, and/or enters a "tulpa-like state."

 

Just controlling the body on its own isn't enough to be considered a switch, there has to be a switch in (fronting) as well as a switch out. Whatever state your tulpa is normally in, you'd have to be in for it to be considered a switch.

 

Oh, thanks for the clarification.

 

Hello Rena ! I'm glad to know your name.

 

Oh, she says hi enthusiastically back to you then. This is the first time anyone other than me has spoken to her, and I feel overwhelmed with strange emotions.

[Vādin]

Lol, I'm sure Vegeta can't do that! It's great to meet you, Rena. When you learn possession, you'll be able to use your host's hands to type and this will allow you to chat online! I'm looking forward to exchanging with you and knowing you better.

 

Edit : Btw, congratulations to you and your host, you've just experienced emotional bleeding.

[Guest]

[Misha] Welcome to the forum, Rena and Ghost!

[TB]

Lol, I'm sure Vegeta can't do that! It's great to meet you, Rena. When you learn possession, you'll be able to use your host's hands to type and this will allow you to chat online! I'm looking forward to exchanging with you and knowing you better.

 

Edit : Btw, congratulations to you and your host, you've just experienced emotional bleeding.

 

She finds it great to meet you, too. And finds that idea and opportunity very exciting. I guess if it's achieved, I should make an account for her, right? I hope we can manage it somehow.

 

[Misha] Welcome to the forum, Rena and Ghost!  

 

We thank you.