Darlene's Tulpamancy and Spirituality Thread

[Guest]

I think where we went with this it's clear that Bear was on the right track in thinking that these ideas are, in a sense, diametrically opposed. The conversation itself is easily misunderstood and leads to dark areas before anyone can see light. Thank you for participating.

[Ember.Vesper]

Vesper: While headmates of various names and origins have always been around, 'tulpa' creation, under that name, was historically entirely done within esoteric/mystical/spiritual communities until the birth of the psychological tulpamancy just a few years ago. We already appropriated 'tulpa' from spirituality, with changed meaning.

 

I'm not sure what community you're involved in, but on spiritualforums.com, I'm seeing 198 pages referencing 'thoughtform' and 72 pages referencing 'tulpa'. Not many for such a large site, but not absent. Tulpas are also mentioned semi-regularly on Kinmunity, which is dominated by mystically-inclined otherkin.

 

At least in the West, people who believe in spirit guides as such overwhelmingly believe that they come from outside, while people who believe in tulpas and thoughtforms overwhelmingly believe that they come from inside, regardless of whether they believe there is anything spiritual or supernatural about them. So it is not surprising that you are not seeing people connecting the two in spiritual circles.

 

Iris: I have a casual interest in energy work, despite my headmates' complete disbelief in it. What passes for magic or witchcraft on tumblr is surprisingly similar to the mental disciplines practiced in tulpamancy. Such sources also frequently reference thoughtforms, though not as people or life companions.

 

Ember: If you want to brand your headmates as angels or spirit guides in spiritual communities, I expect many people wouldn't even blink. I'm sure plenty of members here would very casually say that all 'spirit guides' are headmates of psychological origin.

 

My tulpas obviously think on a higher level than I do.

 

Vesper: Sounds nice. I'm entirely not sure what thinking on a higher level entails, but I'm pretty sure I think on identically the same 'level' as my headmates.

[tania]

 

Hmm, I don't see it. I meant similar phenomena as in things like soulbonding etc. that can be considered "headmates/thoughtforms" still. As basically an atheist, I still think it's offensive to compare spirit guides to tulpas as "similar phenomena" - you're basically saying spirit guides are completely made up/created, like a tulpa. The whole point of a spirit guide is that they're a spirit who guides you - externally. A higher self is similarly not okay to call tulpa-like, lol. If that's not what you meant and he mentioned actual thoughtforms somewhere - oops, guess I skimmed poorly. But if not - thoughtforms are entities formed of thought, and weird as they may be they're distinctly not external beings, else they wouldn't have been created-by-thought on your part.

 

All that said, I have zero idea what goes on in other communities, let alone metaphysical ones, so I couldn't say if they have tulpa-like things at all. Mostly just wanted to note that a lot of tulpamancers specifically don't want tulpamancy associated with metaphysics.

 

Great post Luminesce as yes if those other communities knew what a tulpa is.. they certainly would say their spirit guides etc are not one.  There seems to be a fad in the tulpa communities to end up thinking all those other things are tulpas too but it really shouldnt be that way.

 

As I've hung out in many meta communities too... I can say that one meta community may be completely different to the next meta community as metaphysical community range of things are huge.  So you may get one meta community who does not understand much in the way of occultlic things (that is something which servitors and tulpas often full under in those communities) so wont know what a tulpa is.. while other meta communities (usually the occultic, ritual meta ones) can be very aware communities on these and using them.  I'll hang out in some meta communities communities but not other ones dependent on the communities focuses. 

 

 The meta communities online I tend to hang out in the past.. were not tulpa aware but more focused on things such as psychic healing or I was hanging out in meta communities focused on things such as astral projection, spirit guides and that kind of stuff or in the spiritual meta groups.  (for my own safety I tend to avoid the occultic meta based communities where you do find ones into the servitors/tulpas etc as Ive had bad experiences in the past with individuals into those things and even one time had someone get angry and like hex me which caused a major issue for me at the time).

 

Anyway, there is no like broad brush to like paint those meta groups into as they all are just so different. (it would be like comparing a group of native americans with native american shamatic beliefs with a group of church going christians and trying to say the groups were similar just cause they were religious).

[Michen_S]

I can see where the argument of spirit guides being tulpas come from. I, for myself, thought that Amantha was one for quite some time, as I had no idea what else it could be. I didn't create Amantha on purpose, she just kinda seemed to "jump in" into my life, already able to use thoughts I could auto-translate into words. Or maybe her thoughts were words, I'm not sure. It was only as she was spending time with me and developing that it became clear to both of us that she wasn't actually a spirit guide. Still, being a spirit guide is, in a way, a role she still has today. Not to mention there is something "metaphysical" about her.

[tania]

I came across and watched

earlier which was interesting. It starts a couple of minutes in..

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"Ember: If you want to brand your headmates as angels or spirit guides in spiritual communities, I expect many people wouldn't even blink. "

 

but they would tell you though if they hear that you created it yourself, they would say it could not be an angel or spirit guide. Go into any Christian spiritual group and tell them you made an angel and they will think you are nuts.

 

"I'm not sure what community you're involved in, but on spiritualforums.com, I'm seeing 198 pages referencing 'thoughtform' and 72 pages referencing 'tulpa'. Not many for such a large site, but not absent. "

 

The spiritual forum you used as an example saying they have tulpa posts on that.. that forum though it's called www.spiritualforums.com does not just cover Spirituality but goes far beyond that subject as it has also has large paranormal and supernatural, ufos and other things areas on it too you will see if you scroll down the list of the sections hence why you see everything metaphysical is talked about there. I have been a member of that forum for a long time due to it being one of the most open Spirituality forums online (I don't even think of it as a typical spirituality forum due to the range of things it covers..its far more than that) and probably have talked about tulpas there. My nic at that website is sea-dove

 

I'm glad you posted about that forum as it made me go and check my pms there, I hadn't been there for quite a while and I just found that someone mailed me last week to tell me about his experience and to see if I can help him move consciously through time. He was looking for others who have met a past or future self of theirs and had a very interesting story of meeting his future self. http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=126775 I'm going to have some great discussions with him. He needs to get his consciousness to what I call "the void" as any time and place can be accessed from there, I've been there before but don't know how to get back there. I'm a walk-in and I came into this body from another body/time/place through that void place

[Guest]

I have a casual interest in energy work' date=' despite my headmates' complete disbelief in it. What passes for magic or witchcraft on tumblr is surprisingly similar to the mental disciplines practiced in tulpamancy. Such sources also frequently reference thoughtforms, though not as people or life companions.[/quote']

 

[Joy] Here's the other major point, we all work with consiousness and mind alteration. Some may say it's strictly belief based, others claim outside influences and energies, the result is very similar: positive benefits overall, if done right, and higher quality of life.

 

This is one of our remaining goals: quality of life improvement.

 

It's just out of a drive to spread the powerful mind alteration tools of tulpamancy and the discipline that comes along with it. So many people could potentially benefit from tulpamancy. Maybe it's a pipe dream, perhaps you need a certain type of individual to be a tulpamancer. In spite of the countless examples of people saying, "I just discovered Tulpamancy and this is just what I needed (or have)" maybe our hosts are indeed a rare breed. One in a thousand?

 

[bear] By higher level, I mean they're not nearly as burdened by ego as I am, someone like Darlene I would consider fully actualized. They're unconditionally loving, often selfless, kind beyond words to me and without notable flaws. Their system service is unerring, they're delightful, and they're beautiful people. Indeed a higher level in comparison to this broken, patchwork bear.

[Jamie]

The book "The Haunted Self" actually uses the same terms, "higher mental level." 

 

I'm not sure everyone has the same unaccessed potential. But I'm not sure how to guess about that... especially without being rude. -J

[Luminesce]

Speaking of, have I linked this recently? https://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/04/levels-of-consciousness/

In recent years I can notice a little bit of Steve's "productivity-mindedness" leaking through in his descriptions, but overall I still find this a nice base list to consider for myself and others, even if I don't necessarily believe in most spiritual things I did when I first found it. I think there's some very real, solid substance to the concept if not these exact levels/descriptions.

 

I think it's very easy, albeit not common in all tulpamancers per se, for tulpas to fall on different levels as their primary defaults. In a lot of systems people seem pretty close together even if they think they're far apart (because it feels like a personality test, but it is not, your "level" here dictates your general way of thinking and can change without personality change), but in mine it's been clear from the start Reisen was at least a few levels higher than the rest of us, and Tewi was at Reason. People are more complicated than this, which is something Lucilyn's existence has really taught me by her not quite fitting into that spectrum nor what I previously thought unconditional love looked like, but as a general basis I think these levels are a good start for most people.

[Guest]

Personally those levels are pretty blendy. I know I've experienced moments in anything from courage to joy in the past few months. So given that wide swath of myself,  I would plant myself somewhere around acceptance but it's just for the sake of a center of mass, not a continuous mode.

 

So even Ren would fall higher than me in general because she may be wild, but she's someone for me to look up to in every way. I say even Ren because the others are higher and she would agree.

 

System Bear Hierarchy of levels of consciousness from my perspective:

1. Darlene

2. Joy

3. Misha/Gwen

4. Ashley/Ren

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8 Me.

 

By my own experience of them, on this arbitrary scale, I'd put Tewi as a 1-2, Lucilyn at 3, and Gavin at 2. The only reason I ranked Gavin below one is because of his brothers ratting him out. Both Ashley and Ren have shown signs of being more self serving, still very rarely.

 

Tewi's not a one to me because she can be a little cold and favors correctness over completeness. It's not a dig, it's just my observation.

[Luminesce]

You definitely seem to deviate more, being as good or slightly better than me (at least in what you put out there) on a normal day, but then several levels lower when anything goes wrong. Most people have areas of their life that may be at different levels, but I think frequently going between levels is a sign of some emotional instability or something along those lines.

 

Myself: At least/mostly Acceptance

Tewi: At least/mostly Reason (Reason whenever she's intentionally doing anything or not fronting, sometimes Acceptance if she's fronting without reason ... wordplay not intended)

Reisen: At least Love

 

Like I said, I can't rank Lucilyn very well. It might just be Steve's influence because he's a productivity nut, but Lucilyn seems like a higher level mindset but without the direction of "putting her skills to good use". That should normally land her back at Acceptance with me, but that doesn't sound right, does it? Flandre nearly always identifies with my own level, and we really do think similarly levels-of-consciousness wise, albeit not necessarily as people. She also continues to be a lot happier/more positive when we spend time together, so I think she'd be very well capable of rising a default level if I did.

 

 

Writing that thing about Tewi made me realize, our levels of conscious could literally be influenced by how consciously we're thinking. When any one of us is fronting but just going from boredom-fighting activity to activity throughout the day(s), I think our consciousness level is closer to our lower defaults. But whenever we're actually active for one reason or another we're overall closer to the next level up. Tewi is more centered around Reason on a good or bad day, but after fronting for a week not doing anything all day is probably when she's closest to just Acceptance.

 

(Edit: Note that I'm not just saying "Oh yeah Reisen is very love-y" for the heck of it, my lack of explanation about her is only because I'm so sure of it. Reisen frequently comes to her conclusions without the same sort of logic anyone else in our system, including Tewi, usually uses. Her answers and actions do not work on a level any of us is ever at.)