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Well, I consider myself an enlightened man, as so, my question is. Can the espiritual affect the physical? Can gravity fall itself into a black hole and become enegy? If energy is energy from where does it come from?

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Just to answer the title: I can of course be switched in and do stuff that harms us physically, but I have no idea how any tulpa would be able to do that out-of-body

 

What you ask sounds pretty meta, but I hope someone can answer who have a bit better understanding of whatever you seek


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I am also confused what you are asking. Are you asking if tulpas can harm their hosts through controlling the body or emotional bleed or do you mean the imagined form of the tulpa can cause physical damage to the body?


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Vesper: There are a few non-meta options if we're just looking at 'can'. Controlling the body by possession or switching is the most obvious one. In that circumstance, however, the physical body is, to a greater or lesser degree, the tulpa's rather than the host's, so 'harm you' becomes more problematic. But consider our previous experiment report where I slapped my host for science:

 

https://community.tulpa.info/thread-ashley-s-lounge?pid=278558#pid278558

 

Independent of controlling the body, almost all of a tulpa's effects on their host will be emotional and psychological. But I've accidentally had major physical effects on the body just from the intensity of my visualization. Case in point:

 

In the early days of my having a form, I got horribly bored following Ember around everywhere. So I made my own entertainment. Several times, I impulsively jumped on her back. She staggered under weight she believed in despite not feeling it. I thought it was funny, but her belief continued to increase to the point that she eventually crumpled to the floor. I was startled and contrite, so when I got up, I sincerely offered her my hand. She took it and, trying to use it to pull herself up by, crashed to the floor again. I greatly scaled back potentially dangerous form-to-body interaction after that.

 

Ember: Vesper did tackle me to the floor on a subsequent occasion, just making sure that there were no hard objects around to get hurt on first. As I looked up at her, she offered me her hand again. I almost took it, then glowered at her.

 

Vesper: Using visualization to affect a host's beliefs in a dangerous situation is probably the easiest way to cause physical harm. But fortunately, hosts and tulpas overwhelmingly get along and look out for one another.


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Beliefs affect outcomes. Thoughts affect outcomes. Placebo, people are given the equivalent of sugar pills, and they get the benefit of the drug they believe they are taking. Why? Your beliefs and your thoughts affect physical outcomes. Nocebos, people are given a poison and they show no harm, or positive outcomes. It is the same as the placebo affect. There are churches that handle snakes and they stir them just to get bitten just to prove god will save them. Most of them survive with no apparent ill effects. If this wasn't true, these churches would have ceased to exist because everyone that irritated a snake would be dead.

 

I have personally seen people under hypnosis not bleed when pierced with needles. I have seen recordings of people having medical procedures, big stuff, like a C-Section, no anesthetics, person unbothered, completely under hypnosis, singing as if they were at a campfire having fun, and though there was blood, there was less blood and they healed faster than those that have the procedure the normal way. I have also seen person who were hypnotized be harmed, for example, someone got a suggestion of being burned with a cigarette and they ended up with a small circular spot on the arm that became a blister. Most people that deliberately self harm have either a history of trauma and or personality disorders, or something similar, a history component that explains the behavior, like "my friend in high school cut, so I thought it would be fun doing it too..." kind of thing. Tulpa is not you, and is not brought into being with the same history and conditions and just because host suffered, doesn't mean they will suffer... and again, i suspect most tulpas have a perspective where they're understanding of host and host's history, understanding of temperament, high in empathy, and beings (tulpas) high in empathy don't want to cause more pain.

 

So, in response to the title, can tulpas actually harm you... from a purely hypothetical perspective, yeah, why not. Will they? Not likely. The host does enough damage, they don't need help from tulpas. I think you will find preponderance of evidence here that most tulpas go out of their way to reduce host from self harming. More than likely, even if a tulpa was the sort that wanted to harm you, they're most likely not going to have the authority or the command over rides on the brain to engage that. Most host that worried about being harmed never fully commit to the process of surrender necessary to actually create a fully fledged, functioning tulpa, much less one that it's going to hurt them.

 

as to the content of your firts post... I don't see the connection to title, and am failing to imagine a link. You're asking where does everything we know come from? Isn't that the thing everyone wants to know? Million dollar question...

 

"Well, I consider myself an enlightened man, as so, my question is. Can the espiritual affect the physical?" my opinion, yes... Mind you, my first paradigm, from family of origin, was religious. (Not spiritual, but religious like dogmatically so.) By definition, is you have a spirit or a soul, it's affecting you physically somehow, or how else did you raise your hand to ask the question? If you don't believe in soul, well, then the question seems to make less sense. Per the standard model, your mind or consciousness is the product of physicality, not the other away around, and you, your experience of you, and the question you hold, is really just a hallucination. The question of how you, or matter, or energy came into being is still a great question. No one knows. Seriously, cosmology doesn't have an answer to this yet. They have theories. they have made prediction if you wind things backwards you come to a point in spacetime when everything seem to come into being at a point, termed the 'big bang' but no one can say much about the sate before that, or if there is anything beyond that point, or anything outside the known universe, though more and more you hear theories our universe reside in a sea of universe... speculative, fun, makes sense to me...

 

"Can gravity fall itself into a black hole and become enegy? If energy is energy from where does it come from?" Gravity can't fall in on itself. Gravity is the result of mass, energy, or mass and energy occupying a specific area of space/time. No 'gravitons' have been found yet. (hypothetically, if gravitons exist and they are moving out from gravity source, then gravitons radiate away from gravity sources and are unaffected by source- or they wouldn't rdiate and nothing would be pulled towards source, by definition. one might conclude stronger sources would radiate more gravitons?) Gravity does appear to move in waves. (Confirmed not too long ago.) Blackholes have the quality of gravity, making gravity versus just being the accumulation of gravimetric forces... two different things. some people, using relativy suggest there is no gravity, matter and energy warp the fabric of space/time... gravity itself is an illusion. Get this, gravity can warp space time, literally pulling space/time like taffy in a candy machine. This phenomena is called "frame dragging." it has been 'confirmed' scientifically. earth has small framedragging effect. the sun has a lot. Black holes, huge amounts of space/time chunks are pulled and stretched, and some space time likely falls into the blackhole, or oozes over the edge and spills in as the hole grows. It's not creating more energy. All the energy that ever was and ever will be is already present. Space/Time is full of energy, even in the vacuum of space. (Zero point energy field.) Your question, where does energy come from, still a good question, it started at the event that most of us refer to as big bang. Religious folks have an answer, untestable, unverifiable as we know it. So there answers are often limited because a leap faith is necessary to connect the dots. Scientist have some answers, but they stop at the dots. They make inferences, guesses based on present measurements, but usually if you get as specific as you have here, the good ones will say "i don't know."

 

I don't know. I wouldn't worry so much about energy. And I definitely wouldn't worry about tulpas hurting you. I was going to say something fancifully stupid as joke like, you're more likely to be devoured by a rogue blackhole than be injured by a tulpa... I sort of just said it, but I am not sure if you will find that funny. I find it funny. Loxy is telling me I am not funny. She does agree we should aim for more humor in life.

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Beliefs affect outcomes. Thoughts affect outcomes. Placebo, people are given the equivalent of sugar pills, and they get the benefit of the drug they believe they are taking. Why? Your beliefs and your thoughts affect physical outcomes. Nocebos, people are given a poison and they show no harm, or positive outcomes. It is the same as the placebo affect. There are churches that handle snakes and they stir them just to get bitten just to prove god will save them. Most of them survive with no apparent ill effects. If this wasn't true, these churches would have ceased to exist because everyone that irritated a snake would be dead.

 

I have personally seen people under hypnosis not bleed when pierced with needles. I have seen recordings of people having medical procedures, big stuff, like a C-Section, no anesthetics, person unbothered, completely under hypnosis, singing as if they were at a campfire having fun, and though there was blood, there was less blood and they healed faster than those that have the procedure the normal way. I have also seen person who were hypnotized be harmed, for example, someone got a suggestion of being burned with a cigarette and they ended up with a small circular spot on the arm that became a blister. Most people that deliberately self harm have either a history of trauma and or personality disorders, or something similar, a history component that explains the behavior, like "my friend in high school cut, so I thought it would be fun doing it too..." kind of thing. Tulpa is not you, and is not brought into being with the same history and conditions and just because host suffered, doesn't mean they will suffer... and again, i suspect most tulpas have a perspective where they're understanding of host and host's history, understanding of temperament, high in empathy, and beings (tulpas) high in empathy don't want to cause more pain.

 

So, in response to the title, can tulpas actually harm you... from a purely hypothetical perspective, yeah, why not. Will they? Not likely. The host does enough damage, they don't need help from tulpas. I think you will find preponderance of evidence here that most tulpas go out of their way to reduce host from self harming. More than likely, even if a tulpa was the sort that wanted to harm you, they're most likely not going to have the authority or the command over rides on the brain to engage that. Most host that worried about being harmed never fully commit to the process of surrender necessary to actually create a fully fledged, functioning tulpa, much less one that it's going to hurt them.

 

as to the content of your firts post... I don't see the connection to title, and am failing to imagine a link. You're asking where does everything we know come from? Isn't that the thing everyone wants to know? Million dollar question...

 

"Well, I consider myself an enlightened man, as so, my question is. Can the espiritual affect the physical?"  my opinion, yes... Mind you, my first paradigm, from family of origin, was religious. (Not spiritual, but religious like dogmatically so.) By definition, is you have a spirit or a soul, it's affecting you physically somehow, or how else did you raise your hand to ask the question? If you don't believe in soul, well, then the question seems to make less sense. Per the standard model, your mind or consciousness is the product of physicality, not the other away around, and you, your experience of you, and the question you hold, is really just a hallucination. The question of how you, or matter, or energy came into being is still a great question. No one knows. Seriously, cosmology doesn't have an answer to this yet. They have theories. they have made prediction if you wind things backwards you come to a point in spacetime when everything seem to come into being at a point, termed the 'big bang' but no one can say much about the sate before that, or if there is anything beyond that point, or anything outside the known universe, though more and more you hear theories our universe reside in a sea of universe... speculative, fun, makes sense to me...

 

"Can gravity fall itself into a black hole and become enegy? If energy is energy from where does it come from?" Gravity can't fall in on itself. Gravity is the result of mass, energy, or mass and energy occupying a specific area of space/time. No 'gravitons' have been found yet. (hypothetically, if gravitons exist and they are moving out from gravity source, then gravitons radiate away from gravity sources and are unaffected by source- or they wouldn't rdiate and nothing would be pulled towards source, by definition. one might conclude stronger sources would radiate more gravitons?) Gravity does appear to move in waves. (Confirmed not too long ago.) Blackholes have the quality of gravity, making gravity versus just being the accumulation of gravimetric forces... two different things. some people, using relativy suggest there is no gravity, matter and energy warp the fabric of space/time... gravity itself is an illusion. Get this, gravity can warp space time, literally pulling space/time like taffy in a candy machine. This phenomena is called "frame dragging." it has been 'confirmed' scientifically. earth has small framedragging effect. the sun has a lot. Black holes, huge amounts of space/time chunks are pulled and stretched, and some space time likely falls into the blackhole, or oozes over the edge and spills in as the hole grows. It's not creating more energy. All the energy that ever was and ever will be is already present. Space/Time is full of energy, even in the vacuum of space. (Zero point energy field.) Your question, where does energy come from, still a good question, it started at the event that most of us refer to as big bang. Religious folks have an answer, untestable, unverifiable as we know it. So there answers are often limited because a leap faith is necessary to connect the dots. Scientist have some answers, but they stop at the dots. They make inferences, guesses based on present measurements, but usually if you get as specific as you have here, the good ones will say "i don't know."

 

I don't know. I wouldn't worry so much about energy. And I definitely wouldn't worry about tulpas hurting you. I was going to say something fancifully stupid as joke like, you're more likely to be devoured by a rogue blackhole than be injured by a tulpa... I sort of just said it, but I am not sure if you will find that funny. I find it funny. Loxy is telling me I am not funny. She does agree we should aim for more humor in life.

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