Natasha September 20, 2012 September 20, 2012 Bear with me Pun intended? De bedste og smukkeste ting i verden kan hverken ses eller røres, de må opleves med hjertet.
donkey1364 February 19, 2013 February 19, 2013 His Dark Materials was a really, really weird series, by the way. yes, but awesome. me and Lireal are going to go read it again sometime(i read it, but before she was created)
Guest EnnervateIndustries February 20, 2013 February 20, 2013 Psssst! Only necro if you need to! Nice find, though.
Jabre March 1, 2013 March 1, 2013 Well. So. Prepare for it tl;dr'ers. Okay. A daemon is nothing different than a tulpa. While at first you say "Wait, Jabre. Why can't it be just a tulpa that hasn't had its mind schism go all the way, causing it to simply be a conscious embodiment of your subconscious?" and I'll tell you why. Because a daemon can be a recurring dream character (dream guides/ spirit guides), it can be a wonderland servitor (with a... I guess... heavily "ego-dead" sapience), or it can be an actual imposed hallucination. Here's where the shit goes awry. A DC would be fine because it is just your pure subconsciousness with no conscious processes contaminating it. Well, actually it would be conscious because you are, and it is a process coming from your mind, not the other way around. From the daemon standpoint I guess the dream itself would be considered conscious, but let's not complicate things. And a wonderland servitor would be fine because... oh wait. It wouldn't. You can't say that it is "only a daemon, and not fully an independent entity" because once you spend about 20 hours NARRATING to your "daemon" it would do the same thing a to-be tulpa would. It would become sentient. Now it is a tulpa. Fuckshit. While you can spend enough time with a DC to make it become a tulpa, it is less likely as the wonderland or imposition daemons. Same thing with the imposition. You will eventually and inevitably "tulpify" your daemon, thereby furthering the connection between your hasbeen daemon/newly tulpified and the subconsciousness. Now. Here's how to put it visually: Daemon: Host Consciousness | Super Ego (moral filter) | Ego (response) | ID (stimuli) | Daemon | Subconsciousness and... Tulpification: Tulpa Cons. Host Consciousness | | Tulpa Super Ego Super Ego | | Tulpa Ego Ego | | Tulpa ID ID | | |___________ Daemon No More | Subconsciousness soooooo..... As you can see, narration kills your daemon. Or rather... brings it to life.
Lacquer March 1, 2013 March 1, 2013 Because they don't think it's a spiritual thing. They think it's psychological like us.
House Of Chimeras March 1, 2013 March 1, 2013 Because they don't think it's a spiritual thing. They think it's psychological like us. This. Most people with daemons tend to see them along the lines of either just an imagery friend or a mental construct basically like a tulpa as they are defined on this forum. For the latter experience/opinion of a person's daemon, one could say in the view of this forum, I guess, they have a tupla that specifically been created to act like a daemon.
Avalanche March 2, 2013 March 2, 2013 I was more accustomed to daemons being a spectral or almost magical being. That only from books though so I can't say much. frt
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