What about the adoption of a tulpa?

[LostInTheClouds]

Some methods propose outlining a personality and form at the beginning of the creation process, going through very specific details of the tulpa's profile, from their zodiac sign to their blood type, the way they smell to their innate traits, core values, talents, etc.

However, I have been thinking of a different possibility: What if a small group of people, or a single partner, or even another tulpa, created the basic skeleton for a "character" or "avatar" (Let's name it "Core") and presented them to their host, before they begin processes like imposition, narration, puppeteering/parroting? This way, the host can get to know a person whom they consciously and unconsciously recognize as a separate entity on its own right from the start, and precoucious imposition followed by discarding can be prevented from new hosts who spend too much time on the basic details, wrongly believing that is what brings the tulpa to life. Then, as time goes on, details would be refined and the tulpa would develop.

I have been thinking of this for quite a while. Years, in fact, where I have read guide after guide without encountering this possibility. A modality like this might be exactly what people like me, who find it hard to define a profile yet also find it difficult to focus without an outline, need. Thankfully, I have never moved past the "character-creation" process. So, what if I just skip it entirely, and got to know an adopted tulpa whom I have no prejudice or expectations on, other than suggestions I could make for the participant creators? One whose core has been created from the spirit of collaboration, and the pure intent of blind acceptance for their wonderful selves? Where they are not only loved in their host's heart, but also remembered in that of those who were part of their gestation? Where the consistency of imposition and narration comes not only from a floppy discipline, but also as a way to appreciate the effort put into the creation of this being?

 

Has anyone ever tried to do this? Would you be willing to participate in this process?

 

Just as a quick note (Without the intent of being mean or dismissive): 

If you disagree with this creation method proposal because you deem creation to be too personal to share, or wish to call it ineffective without having attempted it, please, refrain from answering. I am fully aware that creation is a very personal, intimate process, at least for me, and that is exactly why I want to explore the method that feels the most significant for myself. Feel free to share other unique methods besides those known and shared by the majority of the community, since I am pretty certain I have seen them repeated in every guide that I have visited. Thank you for your understanding.

[Lenore]

8 hours ago, LostInTheClouds said:

What if a small group of people, or a single partner, or even another tulpa, created the basic skeleton for a "character" or "avatar" (Let's name it "Core") and presented them to their host, before they begin processes like imposition, narration, puppeteering/parroting?

 

This sounds a little bit like how I was created, although I wasn't originally intended to be a sentient headmate. My host’s original tulpa created the basic “core” for me as a character. It was pretty bare-bones, no real defined traits beyond “magical unicorn who lives in our wonderland.” They didn't realize it, but when we interacted from that point on, they were visualizing, narrating, and puppeting, just like a host might do when deliberately making a tulpa.

 

8 hours ago, LostInTheClouds said:

So, what if I just skip it entirely, and got to know an adopted tulpa whom I have no prejudice or expectations on, other than suggestions I could make for the participant creators?

 

I think this would work fine. I developed my interests, beliefs, and opinions all on my own. Just like you said, my other headmates got to know me without any expectations, including the expectation that I stick to my initial “core.” (I didn't really care for it, so I gave myself a better form and name.)

 

In my case, it really helped my host to have a detailed plan for her first tulpa. We like to joke that she had to resort to "brute-force plurality." I think some people are just more predisposed to it than others. If you feel like a few basic guidelines are all you need, go for it.

[LostInTheClouds]

20 minutes ago, Lenore said:

In my case, it really helped my host to have a detailed plan for her first tulpa. We like to joke that she had to resort to "brute-force plurality." I think some people are just more predisposed to it than others. If you feel like a few basic guidelines are all you need, go for it.

 

Thank you so much for your kind response and for sharing your experiences. I was worried that this proposal would not be welcome in the community, so it is a relief to know a tulpa who has had a positive experience with it!

Now I just have to find participants and get ready to start the process.

[greenlist]

This sounds a lot to me like an introject, and a similar process followed by a lot of tulpamancers creating fictives. It's super common in this community, and mentioned in many of the guides I've read, so I'm wondering what the distinction is between a fictive and your method. Since, to my first impression, this would be like introjecting a friend's (or friend group's) OC. 

 

I'm very interested to see how your journey progresses; you have a unique perspective on tulpamancy that I'd love to understand deeper.

[LostInTheClouds]

The main difference that I would like to clarify is that the person who develops what I have named the "core" is not doing an OC. OCs are a creative excercise similar to an extensive early stage tulpa creation. However, in this proposition, all parties involved have to be on a consensus on the purpose of creating a tulpa, not a character used specifically for art, storytelling or design.

 

Which is why the amount of detail put into them is not chosen by the developer(s) themselves, but decided through a collaborative act with a clear purpose, limits and guidelines, with the core being seen as a person to be met, not a character which is used to base a person out of them.

 

Therefore, the adoptive host would be in contact with the developer(s) about basic prefferences and the information provided to them would be disclosed little by little:

 

First, they would get to know their name. They would accept this name without judgement or need to change it, just as when you meet a new person you don't decide wether you accept their name or not. Then, their voice. The adoptive host would imagine it to the best of their ability. Then, their appearance and personality, which is where the first movement, vocalization and interaction excercises would come.

 

The order in which the process is done would be decided by all participants prior to the start of the development, not after.

 

When the tulpa is formed and they start to express prefference and style and make changes, it is then that the host can begin to make suggestions and tweak details with them. Not prior. Before this happens, the adoptive host makes zero input of their own, instead forcing the personality and appearance that they had when they met them until this is no longer necessary. This is why it is extremely important that they collaborate with the developer(s) from the beginning, so that this unknown person is still compatible with them, their lifestyle and their likes/dislikes and they don't dwell in the doubt of minor details.

[The Incans]

so you basically want someone else to create a ‘walk-in’ for you who you then adopt and work with? 

 

I have 2 walk-ins but they are highly personal to me because they were based on real-llife loved ones I had lost. (they died in real life), First was created entirely by accident in my early 20’s (back in early 90’s before i had access to internet) when I knew nothing about Tulpa’s at all and by the time I did they were already fully sentient… the second was intentionally created on the same basis to keep their memory alive as I knew it was possible because I’d already done it once with absolutely no knowledge of what a Tulpa even was! 

 

We also have changeling Tulpa’s the first of which was also created by accident in childhood … but I guess you’d need to be quite good at visualising to see what they had changed into. The internet can help with that though ..have you never just seen an image on google or an AI moving animation and thought it looked cool and you’d maybe like a Tulpa that looked like that? 

 

Creating a Tulpa is a very personal thing as they tend to be a reflection of something YOU need or believe in, so for a random person off the internet to create one for you without knowing anything about you..I’m just wondering how that can truly work?  

[LostInTheClouds]

23 hours ago, The Incans said:

Creating a Tulpa is a very personal thing as they tend to be a reflection of something YOU need or believe in, so for a random person off the internet to create one for you without knowing anything about you..I’m just wondering how that can truly work?  

 

Hello! First of all, thank you for sharing your story.

Secondly, of course I will be in contact with the volunteers, and describe myself and my reasons. They might not understand the subtle aspects of my decisions, but they don't need to.

I think that meaning for tulpae is not intrinsic. Yes, we create them for a purpose, but just as humans do, they become meaningful to us through participating in our lives.

Besides, they will not "create the tulpa" for me, they will instead arrange a set of characteristics for me to base my tulpa upon. Refer to my other comments for further clarification.

I have finally found a system who would like to help, and just taking this step of... Well, actually engaging in the community for once, already feels like I am moving forward and declaring my intention to build a genuine connection.

Thank you for your concern and curiosity.

[Ranger]

I prefer to use my term cobud instead of tulpa and cocreation for tulpamancy

 

This is an interesting concept to me. I'm a little nervous sharing my perspective here, but this is just too interesting.

 

At first, I thought it was someone else creating a physical outline of a cobud's personality (like a headmate pack from Tumblr). But now my understanding is "here you go, I did the creation process for you".

 

I believe cocreation is the art of convincing yourself you have another person in your head, and this doesn't feel like an exception to me. Given I'm a magic skeptic, I think this method has some similarities to practicioners who find their headmates from other dimensions, the astral plane, etc. You're simply inviting a pre-existing person to your mind, so you don't have to doubt their personhood. This also reminded me of system hopping, where a headmate jumps from host to host.

 

I'm guessing a cobud created this way will have an inherently different mindset out the gate and may be more secure with their sense of self. It's easier to distinguish a cobud from yourself when they have a pool of experiences you don't have. Regardless if their memories were intentionally created or not, it's something a cobud can always grip onto. It's theirs, and they can choose to be the person they remember being or use that as a starting point to work on being different.

 

Ultimately, I think this method either avoids or helps getting past that first "are you really me?" phase. I think any cobud who sees themself as a person will become easier to distinguish once they start shaping themselves, but having a pre-established start will make it easier to strike up the first few conversations.

 

While writing this, I thought about a cobud writing their own personal "blog", published in a PR or written in private. Even when a cobud wants to change who they thought they were, seeing them write down their thoughts and feelings can help you see the continuity in what's otherwise chaotic and messy personal development.

[LostInTheClouds]

This is exactly what I'm striving for! I'm glad you caught that.