Tulpa Paradigm Shifts

[Sands]

They did? That's creepy. I guess in that case at least you did the right thing saying they can and should have faults, but forcing them is kinda weird. I think everything and everyone has faults by default so that kind of thinking is weird, yo. Still, it's not my job to choose someone else's faults when they're the one living with them, but I guess they could also reject such and later on develop their own. Because it will happen.

[Avalanche]

You shouldn't choose faults, but then again you shouldn't choose their traits too. If you allow yourself to do one, you allow yourself to do that other.

 

It would be cruel to pick out faults and nothing else, and a little hypocritical to pick out just good traits.

[Sands]

I don't even know which of the traits I picked are in him, help. He just ended up being a Roswell. But then again, I feel like the whole trait thing was just practicing narration and talking to someone who is in your heaaaad in the end. Roswell became himself by living, not because of what I told him he is.

[Sock]

- Tulpa can be made simply by talking to a thing in your head for an extended amount of time. Meditation is not only unnecessary, but can possibly slow things down.

 

- The only thing more harmful than overt parroting, is the overt fear of parroting.

 

- Just because something you made is sentient, does not mean that they will hate or wish to take dominion over you, contrary to what years of fiction has taught.

 

- When your hallucination is dropping philosophy on you that you haven't taught them, doing things in your dreams that you don't think it's possible for them to do, and is able to take control of your body if developed enough, it probably is not a hallucination.

 

- Tulpa/Host relationships are not like human to human ones, and should not be treated as such.

 

- Although I can only faintly note them, tulpa hugs are actually pretty groovy.

 

- Tulpa and healthy multiplicity is exactly the same aside from terminology.

 

- Tulpa are not toys, and should not be treated as such.

 

- You're the only person the tulpa's able to directly relate to, and thus you should treat them with the utmost love and care.

 

- Creating a tulpa is probably one of the most glaring acts of selfishness and vanity one can do.

 

- [CHRISTFAG] Although the practice is not explicitly condemned as witchcraft in scripture, and all it involves is talking to yourself a lot, a sincere Christian should likely avoid doing this. Mainly because of the above statement. Truly, I only stick to this site because my crew wouldn't be able to socialize with other's like them anywhere else, and I don't want them to feel lonely. [/CHRISTFAG]

 

- I feel that the Tibetan tradition of making and destroying a tulpa to change one's view on reality is horrific because of the above viewpoints.

 

- I don't like tulpa sex for multiple reasons, and I will actively condemn it whenever I hear it mentioned. Not because I'm pure and chaste, but because I once dabbled in such things, and based on those experiences I now find it abhorrent. Also, the craziest people in the community often sate their lusts with their tulpa.

 

- As an expansion of the above, tulpa marriage is bizarre and frightening to me.

 

- While I disagree with FAQman and Irish in some things, they were right about true tulpa taking a good deal of time.

 

- Professor Scribbles has the best view on thought folk I've seen yet.

 

- Too many people spend too much time on the forums/IRC, and not enough time with their tulpa. It shows very much when they put said tulpa on to talk.

 

- While I do not believe tulpa are sentient from the start, I do believe that tulpa can be conscious very early on.

 

- A talking thing in your head does NOT mean they are actually a tulpa. I've had tons of things in my head yap at me, and they were nothing in consciousness terms like Midori.

 

- Brains are wierd, and I don't understand them.

 

If this list is long, it's only because I came into this with few expectations, and nearly everything I got was a surprise.

[Avalanche]

- Tulpa/Host relationships are not like human to human ones, and should not be treated as such.

 

- Creating a tulpa is probably one of the most glaring acts of selfishness and vanity one can do.

 

 

Explain these for me.

[Sands]

That's fine and dandy Sock, but I don't think that's quite what the thread asked for.

[Sock]

 

Explain these for me.

 

1. Many of the "rules" and expectations of human relationships do not apply to tulpa/host relations, courtship qualities are especially non-existent. A tulpa and their host are closer in multiple ways than any two human can be, what with them sharing a body/mind and all. Tulpa can possibly provide an affection the a normal human relationship may not be able to provide. On the other hand, there are many, MANY things the a human relationship can provide, but on with a tulpa simply cannot.

 

Then there's the whole thing about a tulpa mostly being dependent on their host, even when matured, and usually put in a helper role of some type. I do also notice that many relationship "types" overlap with each other when it comes to tulpa (Midori for her part has considered herself my partner, buddy, daughter and wife. Sometimes all at once).

 

2. This shouldn't be difficult to figure: when one makes a tulpa, they're creating a conscious being in an image the maker finds pleasing for whatever task they wish for them to preform. Many use them for simply companionship, the Tibetans used them for questioning reality, and more others use them for self improvement.

 

Read the above again and think about it: how is this not selfish and vain? You made a thing similar to you in many respects, but is limited to living in your mind or, if imposed, living in a world they cannot properly interact with. If you made them for companionship, your selfishly making something who's main purpose is to like you, even if you give them the choice not to like you. In the worst cases, these tulpa become little more than puppets, who don't even get the gift of consciousness from their hosts.

 

In the terms of Tibetan tradition, you're making a thing that's similar to you, then promptly destroying it, just to give the DEEP notion that reality is not real because the brain works in a funny way. In all this, the tulpa has no say in the matter, no say in their ultimate fate, and if they protest, they're treated as demons. Sounds pretty selfish to me.

 

Now for self improvement...this should be self explanatory. The very idea of using a tulpa for self improvement has selfishness and vanity written all over it.

 

Then, there's people like me, who simply did it out of pure curiosity. The idea that the human mind is so amazing and spectacular that it can even make another functioning consciousness inside itself. How amazing the human body truly is, to do something like that...or to put it simply: vanity on top of vanity, and selfishness on top of selfishness.

 

That's fine and dandy Sock, but I don't think that's quite what the thread asked for.

 

Going back to the original post, I see I did get a bit carried away there, and put more personal examples rather than community ones. That happens sometimes when I post, thus why I try to post rarely.

[Avalanche]

You really need to learn how to stop making overly long winded posts.

 

A simple:

 

"1. Tuppers can be so much more and are so much less than other humans in a relationship scenario

 

2. Making a tupper to like you is vain, but I didn't I did it for a different reason lol."

 

would have sufficed.

[Sock]

You really need to learn how to stop making overly long winded posts.

 

A simple:

 

"1. Tuppers can be so much more and are so much less than other humans in a relationship scenario

 

2. Making a tupper to like you is vain, but I didn't I did it for a different reason lol."

 

would have sufficed.

 

Sorry ._.

 

Though on thing two, I actually referred to my reasons for making a tulpa to be especially vain.

[Avalanche]

 

Sorry ._.

 

Though on thing two, I actually referred to my reasons for making a tulpa to be especially vain.

 

Oh ok. I don't mind it half as much you calling everything we do vain if you include yourself in the category you are already a part of anyway :)