Lacquer May 5, 2013 May 5, 2013 >by the standards psychologists use I don't make the rules, I just apply them. Suicidal people are perfectly happy in killing themselves, aren't they? Schizophrenics can be having a ball in their heads while they're doing wacky shit in real life, no? What I'm getting at is that there's more factors involved than simply if the host and/or tulpa are happy.
Kiahdaj May 5, 2013 May 5, 2013 >by the standards psychologists use I don't make the rules, I just apply them. Suicidal people are perfectly happy in killing themselves, aren't they? Schizophrenics can be having a ball in their heads while they're doing wacky shit in real life, no? What I'm getting at is that there's more factors involved than simply if the host and/or tulpa are happy. The reason suicide is a "problem" is merely that it's not accepted, just like any possible signs of a disorder. Schizophrenics who are doing wacky things but are happy have a "disorder" because of the wacky things they're doing being deemed such. The point is that moderated escapism (switching, whatever it is) that leaves the tulpa and host happy, and does not hinder social interaction or anything else in any way is perfectly fine. Escapism that does hinder social interaction makes it a problem. "If this can be avoided, it should. If it can't, then it would be better if it could be. If it happened and you're thinking back to it, try and think back further. Try not to avoid it with your mind. If any of this is possible, it may be helpful. If not, it won't be."
imahaxor May 5, 2013 May 5, 2013 Escapism is just entertainment to get away from unpleasant things in life. It's a way to avoid social interaction, only if you consider socializing with people unpleasant. My Tulpa And then it cuts to a scene where you're sitting in a padded cell.
Kiahdaj May 5, 2013 May 5, 2013 What is escapism but a way to avoid social interaction? Oh boy. I seriously don't even think any more needs to be said than that. "If this can be avoided, it should. If it can't, then it would be better if it could be. If it happened and you're thinking back to it, try and think back further. Try not to avoid it with your mind. If any of this is possible, it may be helpful. If not, it won't be."
Slushie May 5, 2013 May 5, 2013 The reason suicide is a "problem" is merely that it's not accepted, just like any possible signs of a disorder. Social deviance is only one of the reasons a disorder is considered disorderly. The others are distress caused to the patient, disruption of their lives, and danger presented to themselves and those around them. I find the idea that suicide and schizophrenia are only considered problems because they're "not socially accepted" behaviors to be ignorant at best and disgusting at worst. Diagnosing mental disorders isn't a means of marginalizing people for being different, it's a means of identifying and solving problems. Just wanted to point that out real quick. Astral project on my face, brother!
Kiahdaj May 5, 2013 May 5, 2013 Social deviance is only one of the reasons a disorder is considered disorderly. The others are distress caused to the patient, disruption of their lives, and danger presented to themselves and those around them. I find the idea that suicide and schizophrenia are only considered problems because they're "not socially accepted" ignorant and disgusting. Just wanted to point that out real quick. For starters, I never said anything about schizophrenia only being a problem because it's not socially accepted. So, Slushie. What you're trying to tell me is that if there were a society that accepted suicide as a perfectly natural, and perfectly fine thing, and even government-assisted suicide programs existed, it would still be a problem? You sure I'm the ignorant one? "If this can be avoided, it should. If it can't, then it would be better if it could be. If it happened and you're thinking back to it, try and think back further. Try not to avoid it with your mind. If any of this is possible, it may be helpful. If not, it won't be."
Slushie May 5, 2013 May 5, 2013 I'd like not to drag out an argument about this in this thread, but, yes. While cultural norms are considered in diagnosing disorders, they aren't such a powerful factor as to negate the fact that suicidal ideation is generally caused by illness, not a fully rational mind, and should be treated as such. Said hypothetical culture would be considered backwards in this regard by the broader medical community. Astral project on my face, brother!
Kiahdaj May 5, 2013 May 5, 2013 I'd like not to drag out an argument about this in this thread, but, yes. While cultural norms are considered in diagnosing disorders, they aren't such a powerful factor as to negate the fact that suicidal ideation is generally caused by illness, not a fully rational mind, and should be treated as such. Said hypothetical culture would be considered backwards in this regard by the broader medical community. While that's true, it's only because of our society that we feel we have any right to intrude on other people's decisions regarding their own life. If it weren't in our culture to stick our heads in others' such business, it wouldn't be a problem, because it's their decision to make, and their life to sacrifice. You can't argue with that. Keep in mind, I'm by no means saying that that's the way it should be. "If this can be avoided, it should. If it can't, then it would be better if it could be. If it happened and you're thinking back to it, try and think back further. Try not to avoid it with your mind. If any of this is possible, it may be helpful. If not, it won't be."
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