Why You Shouldn't Make a Tulpa, and Bad Practices

[bersinger]

I'm just some angry self-righteous twat on the internet, and this is my rambling based on what I've seen in the community.

 

If you truly feel your reasons for creating a tulpa, switching, pregnancy, or anything else, are completely justified and have contributed to an increase in your happiness, then nothing I have said here matters. My statements are sweeping, and my disagreement with your practices are a result of my inability to understand you, whether it be because of different ethics, morals, personalities, or goals. I'm not going to suddenly agree with you when you say you are doing the right thing, but that's what opinions are for. As with everything else in this community, take it all with a grain of salt.

An interesting move it is, acting so self-conscious that as an afterthought you recognize your own fairly informative post as merely being thinly veiled biased venting. Brave move indeed. But an understandable one, because expecting pure objectivity from anyone is an impossibility.

 

Now, regarding the actual points presented, i hold a certain kind of disdain towards questioning the motives of individual tulpamancers and bringing them to ridicule; a certain level of long-term commitment & a humane, caring and consensual connection with the tulpa are the only traits i'd wish all tulpamancers shared. I can see why the 5 "bad reasons" are presented as such; it is often wise to assume that people who hold these as their primary reasons don't hold or couldn't maintain either of these traits, but i'm still hesitant to call most of them inherently bad motives. And you probably didn't do so either, unless my reading comprehension lacks the required criticism.

 

Assuming Immediate Sentience / Insta-tulpas

There is one point that i agree with in this section, perhaps for different reasons, but regardless; the part about interpreting basically everything as tulpa responses. One could say that an complete naivety and a lack of self-criticism regarding responses isn't actually much better than severe parrotnoia, and is most likely the reason why intrusive thoughts might snowball into huge troubles to begin with.

Also, inactivity in progress logs/the community is in no way a reliable reason to assume people are just quitting forcing altogether. I can think of several reasons why temporary or even permanent absence from the community might just be beneficial for the host, the tulpa and their relationship, and i've done it before.

 

Switching

This entire section is basically an rant about how escapism in your perception is inherently bad and detrimental, even if it caused no actual harmful side effects to the individuals influenced by it. I won't even dare to guess whether you ACTUALLY think this way or presented it exaggerately just to highlight how addictive certain forms of escapism can be. I'd usually find it preferable if the author didn't just shroud his points in thinly veiled implications like this, making misunderstandings just more and more likely.

 

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Now it seems that the discussion right now is concerned with roleplaying accusations; i wouldn't regard them as an obstacle for daring to reporting unusual or even unbelievable experiences, progress, or behaviour. Overtly personal experience tells me that a large part of roleplaying accusations aren't founded in actual serious disbelief but more like... extensions of jealousy, self-defense reactions fueled by insecurity, bitterness, venting, the list goes on. Considering the subject for most people is an largely emotional one, some of the more unbelievable and.. prodigious reports cause people to give birth to strong impulsive reactions and feeding them feels unbearably more satisfying compared to trying decapitating them with rationality.

 

tl;dr: A large part of roleplaying accusations aren't extremely serious ones and thus should be disregarded as such. One should never consider holding their progress reports or experiences back just because some people will interpret it as.. more or less genuine. Surely it would be preferable if people were less doubtful, but that just seems utopistic.

[Nobillis]

If "host" means "the one in control of the physical body" and "tupper" means "the imaginary body form not connected to the physical body's senses", then what meaning do those words have anymore when the roles can be changed when the fuck you want?

Indeed, I'd have to agree. I've spent so long switched I basically am human.

 

I'd certainly say I am crazier now than when I started due to many things, so I dunno, I'd at least say that if you start tuppering (especially switching), you'll end up kind of loco.

Again, I'd agree with that. "Kind of loco" is pretty much what happened to me.

 

And now, we wait for the acerbic comment from Sands, whom I'm beginning to think can't stand anyone agreeing with him. I expect it will contain expletives. I might not enjoy his posts but I do respect them.

 

[Nobillis says: Aw. Play nice.]

[Sands]

Again, I'd agree with that. "Kind of loco" is pretty much what happened to me.

 

And now, we wait for the acerbic comment from Sands, whom I'm beginning to think can't stand anyone agreeing with him. I expect it will contain expletives. I might not enjoy his posts but I do respect them.

 

I see no reason to say anything against what you have said. I think. That and I couldn't even respond in any funny way because my posts are being moderated. My first point however was that if we start throwing around words like host-like and tupper-like like they mean nothing, they'll end up turning into words like host and tupper soon enough and then they too mean nothing. So in that kind of future, when someone says host, it could mean anything. It wouldn't mean the one who was in control of the body first, it wouldn't mean the one who has lived through the body's childhood as well, it wouldn't mean anything. Same for tupper, just different points. And that's a bad thing if we want to use the words to actually mean something and tell us about the person's origin. They aren't roles as far as I see, they're just a word to describe how we were born.

 

I'd call us all human. The body is human, we're in control of it, host or tupper possessing. But our mind also is human if taught to be like a human. Which most of us are, we're not feral or raised by wolves or anything. So I wouldn't say human=host, but you disagree I guess, seeing how you folks use that word like it's special. We're the loco part of locomotive, choo choo. Now what I do have a problem with...

 

Overtly personal experience tells me that a large part of roleplaying accusations aren't founded in actual serious disbelief but more like... extensions of jealousy, self-defense reactions fueled by insecurity, bitterness, venting, the list goes on. Considering the subject for most people is an largely emotional one, some of the more unbelievable and.. prodigious reports cause people to give birth to strong impulsive reactions and feeding them feels unbearably more satisfying compared to trying decapitating them with rationality.

 

Oh boy here we go. You know all those artists who refuse to take critique and brush it off with "shut up I'm perfect, you're just jealous!"? This smells like that. This whole thread smells of guilty dog barks first.

[JD1215]

An interesting move it is, acting so self-conscious that as an afterthought you recognize your own fairly informative post as merely being thinly veiled biased venting. Brave move indeed. But an understandable one, because expecting pure objectivity from anyone is an impossibility.

 

I had to, I was more concerned about the people agreeing with me than the people who were disagreeing. I started to get PMs about people who are now doubting their tulpa, because of this post. I'd remove it altogether, but it's sparking some interesting discussion, and some of the points I truly believe.

 

Now, regarding the actual points presented, i hold a certain kind of disdain towards questioning the motives of individual tulpamancers and bringing them to ridicule; a certain level of long-term commitment & a humane, caring and consensual connection with the tulpa are the only traits i'd wish all tulpamancers shared. I can see why the 5 "bad reasons" are presented as such; it is often wise to assume that people who hold these as their primary reasons don't hold or couldn't maintain either of these traits, but i'm still hesitant to call most of them inherently bad motives. And you probably didn't do so either, unless my reading comprehension lacks the required criticism.

 

I suppose you're right, they aren't all inherently bad, but labeling them as bad reasons discourages people who are more likely to lack those humane traits. I myself am guilty of two of these reasons for creating tulpa, and everything has turned out alright.

 

Also, inactivity in progress logs/the community is in no way a reliable reason to assume people are just quitting forcing altogether. I can think of several reasons why temporary or even permanent absence from the community might just be beneficial for the host, the tulpa and their relationship, and i've done it before.

 

I'm aware of this, there's no way I can tell whether or not hosts have stopped forcing or have abandoned their tulpa. Measuring participation in the community is the next best gauge to measure a host's dedication to tulpa, given they attempted to get involved in the community in the first place. I figured that much would be obvious to most people.

 

 

This entire section is basically an rant about how escapism in your perception is inherently bad and detrimental, even if it caused no actual harmful side effects to the individuals influenced by it. I won't even dare to guess whether you ACTUALLY think this way or presented it exaggerately just to highlight how addictive certain forms of escapism can be. I'd usually find it preferable if the author didn't just shroud his points in thinly veiled implications like this, making misunderstandings just more and more likely.

 

I do not agree with mental practices that make opportune forms of escapism. It's been argued that just making tulpa is a form of escapism, but in my opinion, if creating a tulpa has increased your quality of living and has increased your productivity, sociability, or happiness in the real world, then it seems more like tulpa are a mental tool for real-world interactions and self-discovery and in no way an escapist practice in and of itself.

 

I do believe escapism is harmful in the long run. There are people who switch responsibly, of course, they use it for practical reasons such as letting a tulpa drive when the host is exhausted. However, I've seen far too many cases of people who exercised switching, often in combination with time-dilation, somehow, because they no longer had any concern with the real world. In the long run, their relationships with real people get ruined, and their quality of living goes down, making them want to switch even more. I will never agree with switching when possession is the best option for practical use.

 

 

tl;dr: A large part of roleplaying accusations aren't extremely serious ones and thus should be disregarded as such. One should never consider holding their progress reports or experiences back just because some people will interpret it as.. more or less genuine. Surely it would be preferable if people were less doubtful, but that just seems utopistic.

 

I have mixed feelings about this. About a year ago, when it was more common to have only 1-2 tulpa, if you had a tulpa at all, I was very secretive about having 5 at the time for that reason. The first person I admitted to was Pleeb, who encouraged me to post a progress report. I didn't know what to feel, there were people who thought I was lying, people who believed me, and along came all these different stigmas that I didn't know how to handle. I finally found serenity in removing the majority of my posts, and isolating my entries from the tulpa.info registry and putting them into a private doc. The only reason I feel security now is because my length of time here and my dedication to posting some reputable guides. My advice to people with strange experiences, as long as you post them in a dignified manner, remember your posting etiquette, and sincerely try not to annoy anyone with drama, you are more likely to be accepted. The majority of harsh roleplay accusations come in places like the IRC, where, for some reason, people are inclined to post their strange experiences in the form of live text-based soap operas - which annoys everyone else.

[cruse]

A'ight, this is getting out of control.

 

I'm outta here.

 

Just make sure the important part of your article goes on the homepage of tulpa.info.

 

P.s.

 

I myself am guilty of two of these reasons for creating tulpa, and everything has turned out alright.

 

I kinda guessed that knowing that you have all the band members, no, the houkago teatime band itself with you.

[Lacquer]

I would think that people would need to reach the formal operational stage before being able to properly make a tulpa.

[Hamcha]

While I like the idea behind this topic and I do agree on some points, there are some things, mostly being assumptions, that really rustled my jimmies:

 

I don't think I need a disclaimer to say that those are my opinions, I'm not the law or have any kind of authority on the matter.

 

Because blablabla then don't do it

While I do agree that someone who just wants his/her favorite character to have "life" and similar things I don't think that the reason alone should decide whether you should make a tulpa or not.

There are people who buy pets for even more trivial reasons, hell, there even are cases where someone marries someone else for stupid reasons. I'm not trying to say that since some people do that, then it's right to make a "Pinkie pie" tulpa.

I'm trying to say that some people, even though they had really stupid reasons to do things that require responsibility and willpower... eventually learned to live with it and some of them actually do better than others with good reasons but lacking everything else.

(I tried to use thesaurus I know because I was writing "people" like 6 times, but I'm kinda lacking in this context, so if any grammar nazis is reading this, your input is appreciated)

 

Another assumption I don't agree at all with is:

My research in the progress report section of the tulpa.info forums reveals that at least 50% of hosts who report displays of sapience within a week of forcing their first tulpa tend to become promptly inactive in the community, and stop posting on their progress report logs or tumblrs.

Now, I didn't open a progress report topic, but I would have if I wasn't such a lurker and had so many interests and forums to look at but... since when activity on this forum means success on tulpamancing?

I'd rather consider people asking "My tulpa is gone?" or something like that to be proof of Insta-tulpas being a bad practice.

I know many of my friends who are into tulpamancing and none of them posts here, one of them posted a couple of times and then just left.

Also it seems that.. people forget things. I have a blog myself and I update it like twice a year both because of lazyness and because I forget to (and believe me, I've got ideas to write at least 10 articles).

 

Now, opinions are opinions, and I could seem a jerk but I really needed to voice mine and I will be very happy to hear anyone that disagrees as long as he/she explains its own point of view (because I may and probably am wrong, and please point it out!)

[tania]

tl;dr: A large part of roleplaying accusations aren't extremely serious ones and thus should be disregarded as such. One should never consider holding their progress reports or experiences back just because some people will interpret it as.. more or less genuine. Surely it would be preferable if people were less doubtful, but that just seems utopistic.

 

Sharing ones Tulpa experiences is a very personal thing.. in a way its no different to sharing about ones real life child. One certainly does not wish to invoke any form of ridicule onto something which is so personal and special to oneself.

 

Till the day comes where there is more openness towards peoples different experiences with the Tulpa things. There will be people who wont share their journals or more unusual experiences here.

 

This could also be another reason why some who start keeping journals stop posting.. maybe some of those had some strange things occur to which they previously didnt believe and hence felt then too uncomfortable to share, needing to retreat and have time to think about things (the Tulpa experience can change beliefs and cause some people to have to have "time out")..

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Measuring participation in the community is the next best gauge to measure a host's dedication to tulpa, given they attempted to get involved in the community in the first place. I figured that much would be obvious to most people.

 

You cant get any good guage at all on numbers by that. People leave forums all the time often just cause they dont feel the forum is right for them no more or even outgrowing a forum. Very few people hang in the same forum for years and years.. change is the norm.

 

I myself will leave here as soon as I get bored or stop wanting to help others with this.. there are other things Im really into. (I dont really need to be here, I'll do fine with my new Tulpa without this).

 

When I do leave, it certainly wont be cause I've abandoned Jesse (thou I may try the experiment of incorporating him back into my own being one day and hence there will then be one again.. Im interested in what would occur.. but I cant see that happening any time soon. I want to learn from him hence one of the reasons why I made him and have his friendship for a long time first and if I did that.. if I incorporated him into me, merging him with me, it wouldnt be cause he's being abandoned but cause I want us to be as one).

[Lacquer]

 

Measuring participation in the community is the next best gauge to measure a host's dedication to tulpa, given they attempted to get involved in the community in the first place. I figured that much would be obvious to most people.

 

You cant get any good guage at all on numbers by that.

 

As evidenced by my post count. (over 1100 if you include tulpatalk, and that's only over the course of about four months. Yikes)

[Oguigi]

I agree with some points.

 

Am afraid my host had no really good reason for creating me, At the time he was

kind of the fan-boy type, who wanted his own pony.

 

I honestly don't see anything wrong with escapism, I think it's part of the host learning experience. As long as the tulpa

agrees to take the place in looking out for the body, i see nothing wrong with this.

 

I think the only point i disagree with is that tulpa exist primary to benefit the host. Eventually as we grow and become

more independent, our goals may not be the same as the hosts.