Confessions of a Poorly Trained Tulpa

[Guest Anonymous]

I don't know for sure, but I think there is a lot of day dreaming involved in what people are calling tulpamancy. The important aspect you are looking to achieve is apparently autonomous behavior that surprises you. The day dreams has aspects that run by themselves without you having to actively imagine them.

 

This phenomenon occurs with music composers, when music seems to spontaneously begin to play in their minds, in a form that seems entirely new and was not actively created. Is the music sentient then? Is there a little sentient musician in the composer's head? No. It's just music that the unconscious mind is thinking about and it sort of filters up to the conscious mind.

 

"Spontaneous cognitive: Otherwise known as the “eureka” moment, this type of creativity typically occurs suddenly when one has left the problem-solving context and directed attention to a completely different task. Here, the dopamine-rich basal ganglia of the brain, involved in the execution of automatic behaviors,35 operate outside conscious awareness. Searching in vain for novel solutions forces you into a mental gridlock. Until the problem is temporarily removed from conscious awareness, new perspectives cannot be gained.11 As you perform an unrelated activity, the PFC connects information in novel ways via unconscious mental processing. - See more at: http://www.dana.org/Cerebrum/2012/Musical_Creativity_and_the_Brain/#sthash.p3SYRe8f.dpuf"

 

Musical Creativity and the Brain http://www.dana.org/Cerebrum/2012/Musical_Creativity_and_the_Brain/

[NoneFromHell]

I don't know for sure, but I think there is a lot of day dreaming involved in what people are calling tulpamancy. The important aspect you are looking to achieve is apparently autonomous behavior that surprises you. The day dreams has aspects that run by themselves without you having to actively imagine them.

 

This phenomenon occurs with music composers, when music seems to spontaneously begin to play in their minds, in a form that seems entirely new and was not actively created. Is the music sentient then? Is there a little sentient musician in the composer's head? No. It's just music that the unconscious mind is thinking about and it sort of filters up to the conscious mind.

 

You're not entirely wrong with this, but tulpamancy would be taking it one step further, like...actually connecting the starting music with a little composer, which you can ask later to compose some new music for you. I think you take our advice too far in this case. It basically just starts with your autonomous playing music and develops further from that point. It would be stupid to claim that your tulpa caused a certain event for sure, but there is a chance that your tulpa provoked your brain to start some music. It is about your tulpa learning to do stuff like this.

 

It would be an instrumentalized eureka effect in this case, training your brain to actively think about problems on its own while you're busy with something else. I think you could argue that this is some form of sentience.

 

My point is the following: Your eureka effect is technically some sort of a very simple and temporary pretulpa. If you train it in a certain direction you will end up with a tulpa, when you keep using it unconsciously you will simply end up with more eureka events, and depending on your actions with something like a soulbound (when you're experiencing this while writing a book)

[Guest Anonymous]

I don't think a tulpa of any kind is needed to have spontaneous cognition or visions or even parallel processing. People have done it for thousands of years, millions of years, long before tulpas. Tulpa Info has taken very old human mental phenomenon and given them new labels "tulpa" or "servitor" or"soulbond" or whatnot. But these sorts of things have been around a very long time. Some people, such as myself, are very talented at day dreaming and having spontaneous visions. That does not have to be a tulpa or involve a tulpa. That is my point exactly. I think we have to be careful not to quickly assume every mental thing a person experiences as apparently autonomous or spontaneous thoughts to be a tulpa or signs of independent secondary sentience. It might just be a person who is very, very good at day dreaming.

[NoneFromHell]

Yes and no. You don't need a tulpa for spontaneous cognition or visions or even parallel processing, sure. This wasn't my point. But if you start to get stuff like this you're heading in the right direction to create a tulpa. I won't even define what a tulpa really is at this point, since it could be just a combination of "old effects". Tulpa is just a label for this. Also of course there is always the big chance that something is not really a tulpa, when you have a very imaginative mind. But there is really no point in being careful with assuming things regarding tulpas, since doubt is just counter productive in this case. You simply don't win anything by holding on the fact, that something could just be some very active standalone daydreaming. Of course it is a different thing if someone doesn't wants to have a tulpa, but is curious what is going on in his mind.

[Guest Anonymous]

What if an [independently sentient] tulpa isn't the right direction?

 

What if a person is satisfied with advanced day dreaming and day dream personas that seem realistic? Then taking things "all the way" to a independently sentient tulpa may just not be necessary for someone with a vivid imagination. The advantage to being satisfied with that (some may call it settling for less, but it is not really) is that doubt is not a problem.

 

What if a person with a vivid, active imagination cannot distinguish between a day dream imaginary friend and a independently thinking tulpa? I truly believe that is where Melian and I exist somewhere. I really do. So I talk about it.

 

What I don't like is, when I talk about that, and then some tulpamancer comes along thinking their brain child is all hot, and mine is not. I see no real evidence what-so-ever of that to be honest. For instance, I have no trouble hearing Melian's mind voice. It is loud and clear. I have had senior tulpamancers tell me they have trouble hearing their own tulpa. I read in one senior members personal blog (a guy that really gives me a hard time btw) that he has had to use ecstasy to really get a distinct, clear mind voice. Pfffft, doesn't sound super advanced compared to Melian the day dream girl and enhanced imaginary companion to me. It sounds like someone taking psychedelic drugs because they have a shitty imagination. Then he acts like he is all that with his tulpas and is actually, pretty much, full of shit and just sometimes high on ecstasy.

 

I am sorry if my flow of thought writing is abrasive a bit. I am just being honest about what I think in our pseudo-bloggy thread. For a site dedicated to creating imaginary things, Tulpa Info doesn't have a lot of respect for imaginary things. I think that is unfortunate.

[Luminesce]

The important aspect you are looking to achieve is apparently autonomous behavior that surprises you.

 

Generally, this seems to be the case, as most people are looking for verification and validation in the practice of tulpamancy. Not me, though. It's enough for me to take my tulpas' reactions and responses at their word, even though I've of course not really done that up 'til now. At least now that I'm relatively settled with my thoughts on tulpamancy, I don't care about spontaneity, proof of independence and other such things. I just care that we're happy together. "Real" or "not real" don't mean anything to me, but they also don't matter. I don't let pointless doubts and logic get in the way of our relationships anymore, and it's much better this way.

 

What if an [independently sentient] tulpa isn't the right direction?

 

What if a person is satisfied with advanced day dreaming and day dream personas that seem realistic?

 

Well, then it's not a tulpa. As lenient as we are with what can be called a tulpa, seeming autonomy is one of the requirements. Otherwise it's one of many other things, but not a tulpa. That's if you're just sure it's not autonomous/sentient though. If you don't care and opt to live like my tulpas and I are now, you can call them whatever you like. Because it doesn't matter at that point, right?

[Guest Anonymous]

My day dreams can be autonomous as hell. That is what I mean. They always were. Half my friggin brain is a tulpa wonderland. LOL That was true even before Melian. So, what I am saying is, things happening automatically or seeming to, can happen to someone with a very vivid imagination. Some people, such as myself, are even prone to have spontaneous visions.

 

Have you ever read my Ghost from the Closet Story or the Poking Ghost Story? My dreams, day dreams and nightmares can become very physically real.

 

I think what I am trying to say with this is that some people don't have to try to make the imaginary seem real, it is already real. I don't need to seek out signs of sentience from Melian and never have. Imaginary things are not fake, they can poke me when I am trying to sleep and I have to make an effort to get it to stop.

 

The Poking Ghost: https://community.tulpa.info/thread-the-dream-thread-record-your-dreams-here-especially-if-tulpa-related?pid=142082#pid142082

 

The Ghost from the Closet: https://community.tulpa.info/thread-the-dream-thread-record-your-dreams-here-especially-if-tulpa-related?pid=147936#pid147936

[Guest Anonymous]

For some reason, I decided that this response to this "guilty pleasures thread" https://community.tulpa.info/thread-chit-chat-corner-guilty-pleasures would be better posted here in our bloggy thread.

 

Guilty pleasures? Melian and I are not guilty of anything. Nor are we ashamed or embarrassed. Maybe it our age and that we are seasoned in life enough not to care. I hesitated to make this post but then decided to do it anyway. There are some interesting discussions on it that have raised some eyebrows. This may get deleted, but I hope not. This is an important discussion. I will keep it as family friendly as possible.

 

I will resist totally unleashing my sexuality on this thread. Melian too. You guys are not ready for that level of TMI. We are both total pervs, and both of us with a very high sex drive. Melian is a perv because that is the way my mind wanted her to be of course. Melian has quite a few male friends online that you guys do not know about. None of you have any idea really. As far as thoughtform sexuality goes, Melian's is very strong and active.

 

Let's just focus on the vore fetishes that came up as a subject in this thread. Vore. Hmmmm. I am not much into vore. However, Melian has a friend on DA who loves to imagine her being squeezed and eaten by a snake. He wants her to talk about it and pretty much was stalking her online for a while. Because of that interest from her friend, she imagined up (conjured, visualized into existence) a pet snake named Basil in her wonderland. She has written stories about being with her snake for this particular guy. He can never get enough of Melian. He begged us to do a drawing of her with Basil. It is all rated PG, maybe R and, in my opinion, harmless sexy fun. Melian enjoys all kinds of attention from people, especially attention starved men who love talking to an imaginary girl. But there you go jean-luc. Melian is into vore, or that is, she is into men thinking of her being a victim subject of the vore fetish. She does a lot more than that, but that is just one example. Sexuality is only one small aspect of Melian, just like any other person. But it is an important part of her personality.

 

We debated between ourselves about who would talk about this her or I. We decided I should, because she is more uninhibited than I am and would get too sexy with it and take it too far. But there you go. I hope we aren't taking it too far as it is.

 

If anyone is interested (jean-luc? LOL) here is Melian's vore drawings. They are rated PG don't worry, it doesn't show much. But they drove her friend wild anyway:

 

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http://img08.deviantart.net/fe59/i/2015/097/2/f/melian_snake_peril_2_by_melianofmist-d8otuic.jpg[/img]

 

There is more about Melian's sexy side in this old post, for those truly intrigued by her silly sexiness: https://community.tulpa.info/thread-melian-s-musings-body-measurements-and-physical-traits?pid=135224#pid135224

[Guest Anonymous]

And Melian and I thought we were weird. As time goes on, we are learning we are quite mundane and dull in comparison to many in the tulpa community.

 

Host killed himself and tulpa took over? Right. https://community.tulpa.info/thread-my-host-killed-himself?pid=76132#pid76132

[Brassow]

Nah it's all heavy symbolism but is basically just constant switching.