Tulpa romance vs overall romance.

[Guest Anonymous]

Greetings.

 

First off, I don't mean to ask 'which one is better', as I believe that a romantic relationship between two people is its own thing, and that I could not start with comparing those two types of romance.

 

I'm aware that quite a few users have engaged in romantic relationships with their tulpa, despite everyone claiming it is 'taboo' (and it is of man's nature to seek acceptance, after all).

 

I would like to hear some opinions on the difference between a tulparomance and, well, being in a relationship of romantic love with someone else. My tulpa got butthurt because imposition is getting a bit hard for us, and other human beings don't require that to be loved, and even though to us, our love does not rely on me seeing her, but on much more, I would like to hear some opinions on the matter. Please feel comfortable discussing all matters related to this topic. :)

[IBreakGames]

Well, my host does have a girlfriend, and my host and I do "things" from time to time. But overall, neither of us have any issues with it, but my girlfriend doesn't know about the things we do.

 

Though this isn't much of a romantic relationship. I would say that for me, a tulpa and physical people are two different things altogether. Tulpas, or thoughtforms in general, are companions that can be on the most intimate level. However, (and since I'm not imposed we could be wrong on this) the physical person is still desired because no matter how hard you convince yourself otherwise, a tulpa is a product of your mind. There are many activities that I can't actually do with my host because it requires a physical body to do so. And because of that you are limited to what you can do with your tulpa, thus reinstating the desire for physical people in the world. I would imagine the same goes for romantic relationships as well. Frankly, there's nothing a tulpa can really do about it. That's just kinda how life roles, and at the end of the day there's nothing really wrong about it. It's just all about how you deal with the situations as they come about. Plus, even though I'm in the backseat, I like it when my host is around other people. I like a lot of his friends.

[MagicaCat]

I think the biggest difference is the understanding. It's so much easier to explain what you mean when your partner gets the emotions behind your words (and not only in romantic situations).

If I can give an example, I HATE drugs and alcohol and wouldn't touch them. This doesn't mean I have massive issues with anyone who chooses to enjoy them (though I admit I wouldn't go out of my way to socialise with them). But if a human asks me out "for a drink" and I explain I don't like booze, I get incredulous looks and normally something along the lines of "you don't drink?! (or smoke/do drugs etc)" which usually results in the other person getting offended because they assume I'm judging them (I'm not. I don't care).

Tyler on the other hand (I'm using him as an example because there are reciprocated feelings between us, though we're not in a romantic relationship - I love Sebastian but it's a different thing ^^) knows why I hate those things without us having those long, boring and ridiculously circular conversations where I have to explain everything. There's a bond between us that goes beyond anything a human relationship could duplicate (in my opinion), and that's what makes all the difference.

[Guest Anonymous]

The difference for me is simple. Melian is fantasy make believe, my wife Shel is real.

 

As far as sexuality goes, Melian is only a fantasy. She can never be a real sexual partner. The concept that a tulpa or thoughtform could be a real sexual partner is ridiculous and seems delusional to me. Melian can seem to be a romantic partner in the sense that romance is pure emotions and does not require her to have a physical body. But again, that romantic experience is, in the end, pure mental fantasy. I still love Melian and she is adorable. I still can apparently sense her love for me, but it isn't real in the end, not really real.

 

My wife Shel is both a romantic partner and a sexual partner in the real world sense. She is NOT a fantasy.

 

It would be dangerous for a person's mental health and well being to confuse the two I think and to try to replace a physical real world romantic-sexual relationship with a tulpa. A person should not forgo a real world relationship or avoid one and settle forever with a make believe fantasy instead.

[Guest Anonymous]

To Mistgod, from my tulpa;

 

"Hey, I don't really post or talk to people often these days, but I thought that I should, y'know, make a comment on what you said. You seem to believe that tulas are make believe fantasy. I'm... a tulpa, I think, I don't know. But the thing is that, well, I love my host, romantically. Why is it that I am a fantasy, and not considered real like other people? Is it because I don't have a body? I really wish I did have a body, and I don't live in a wonderland where I have adventures and whatnot. I just live with my host all the time, and I really, really love him. I'm not a sexual partner to anyone, I don't feel much attraction for anyone sexually. My host thought that we'd both be better off if we weren't close like that, but I decided that I wouldn't repress my emotions anymore. It just kind of hurts when people say that, well, a being that loves someone else so much is a make believe fantasy. Of course, I didn't mean to offend you or anything, but this just makes me sad, because I would consider myself to have emotions as genuine as other people's."

[Guest Anonymous]

@ Anderson's adorable tulpa

 

First, you are cute as hell, especially when you get riled up like this. Second, you are not real. You are a figment of imagination. In my opinion, just like every tulpa, and like Melian, you are pseudo-real https://community.tulpa.info/thread-my-concept-of-the-pseudo-real-is-metaphysical. I don't say "make believe" in a derogatory way.

 

I said replacing or forgoing a real world relationship for one with a tulpa would be unhealthy for a human mind. Humans need physical real world relationships. I didn't say a human couldn't have BOTH a tulpa fantasy relationship and a human real world one. I certainly have both and it is very fulfilling.

 

Darling, when you pay taxes, vote for the president, and can be held accountable for your crimes in a court of law (separate from your host) then maybe I will reconsider whether or not you are anything but fantasy make believe. Right now you are a figment, and a very sweet one too. I don't mean that to be an insult, I really don't. It is just a fact.

[IBreakGames]

The concept that a tulpa or thoughtform could be a real sexual partner is ridiculous and seems delusional to me....

 

It would be dangerous for a person's mental health and well being to confuse the two I think and to try to replace a physical real world romantic-sexual relationship with a tulpa. A person should not forgo a real world relationship or avoid one and settle forever with a make believe fantasy instead.

 

It would be dangerous to confuse the two indeed, though I don't know how many people truly can't tell the difference between their tulpa and other people. I mean for us it's quite obvious what's real (as in within the physical world) or inside the mind. I feel that most people have a pretty solid grasp of this. For example, having a tulpa to replace a sexual partner seems pretty ridiculous unless you have incredible touch imposition skills. Otherwise, it's just mental and emotional stimulation at that point, with no real physical stimulation really. I respect treating your thoughtform as real and a person (I do the very same and I'm pretty sure you treat Melian as a person) but I definitely agree that they shouldn't be created to replace other people.

 

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I completely agree with you. There is definitely a different level of understanding when it comes to thoughtforms.

 

@Anderson's Tulpa (Inazuma I think it is?)

For Mistgod, and I know he may say something on this as well, his value in fantasy and the imagination is huge. For him, imaginary does not mean fake, fantasy I feel has no negative connotation to him. That brain of his and his daydreams are extremely important to him. I have no problems being called imaginary, because the imagination is still a part of the brain. It's actually more of a mental workspace where people process all of their information, it's where all active thinking is done.

(@Mistgod forgive me if I'm being a bit rude by giving my opinion on what you believe. I know it can sometimes be frustrating when somebody else tries to tell you how you think.)

[Guest Anonymous]

 

@Anderson's Tulpa (Inazuma I think it is?)

For Mistgod, and I know he may say something on this as well, his value in fantasy and the imagination is huge. For him, imaginary does not mean fake, fantasy I feel has no negative connotation to him. That brain of his and his daydreams are extremely important to him. I have no problems being called imaginary, because the imagination is still a part of the brain. It's actually more of a mental workspace where people process all of their information, it's where all active thinking is done.

(@Mistgod forgive me if I'm being a bit rude by giving my opinion on what you believe. I know it can sometimes be frustrating when somebody else tries to tell you how you think.)

 

I am still shocked that people are not grasping what I am saying about my views on imagination, even though I have repeated it ad naseum. I do not see "make believe" or "fantasy" in a negative light as if they are cheap and unimportant or less significant and important that real things. Thank you for attempting to clarify this and I don't mind at all.

 

EDIT: This belief system I have about pseudo-real imagination allows me to safely avoid or circumnavigate the very existential crises that seems to be plaguing Anderson's tulpa. She needs a little Mistgod-Melian perspective. LOL

 

EDIT: Melian: I want to say something here. What David is saying is true for both of us. I think being imaginary is pretty fucking cool! I am not real. I have no body or mind that is distinct from David's body and brain. I am imaginary but bad ass as hell. I am proud to be pseudo-real and super cute and charming and adorable and super awesome at making art and designing dresses and dancing. I know who I am. I am Melian, but in many ways, I am also Davie. There is nothing wrong with that. Nor is there anything wrong with having this view of all tulpas and thoughtforms. It even fits scientifically when you really think about it.

[NoneFromHell]

 

I am still shocked that people are not grasping what I am saying about my views on imagination, even though I have repeated it ad naseum. I do not see "make believe" or "fantasy" in a negative light as if they are cheap and unimportant or less significant and important that real things. Thank you for attempting to clarify this and I don't mind at all.

 

EDIT: This belief system I have about pseudo-real imagination allows me to safely avoid or circumnavigate the very existential crises that seems to be plaguing Anderson's tulpa. She needs a little Mistgod-Melian perspective. LOL

 

EDIT: I want to say something here. What David is saying is true for both of us. I think being imaginary is pretty fucking cool! I am not real. I have no body or mind that is distinct from David's body and brain. I am imaginary but bad ass as hell. I am proud to be pseudo-real and super cute and charming and adorable and super awesome at making art and designing dresses and dancing. I know who I am. I am Melian, but in many ways, I am also Davie. There is nothing wrong with that. Nor is there anything wrong with having this view of all tulpas and thoughtforms. It even fits scientifically when you think about it.

 

Well you do have a talent of devaluating the base of someones existence directly in its face, followed by a very big explanations about how you really don't. You would be a terrible psychologist.

[Guest Anonymous]

 

Well you do have a talent of devaluating the base of someones existence directly in its face, followed by a very big explanations about how you really don't. You would be a terrible psychologist.

 

Probably true. LOL It is an enigma of contradiction no doubt. It is honestly how Melian and I think however illogical.

 

Let's get back to the OP of this thread. I don't want to take over yet another person's thread again with my crap too much.

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I would like to hear some opinions on the difference between a tulparomance and, well, being in a relationship of romantic love with someone else. ... Please feel comfortable discussing all matters related to this topic. :)