Meditation and forcing in this community

[Lacquer]

 

I'm at work, so if you're still interested I could write a longer deal when I get home,

 

Yes, definitely. I mean, as long as you're up to it. Links to other resources that helped you develop what you do would be neat, too.

[Edward]

 

Yes, definitely. I mean, as long as you're up to it. Links to other resources that helped you develop what you do would be neat, too.

 

I can find some stuff, I'm sure, though keep in mind I was fifteen and not allowed to use the Internet for more than a half hour a day at the time I started meditating. I sort of developed it through a bunch of different things as I practiced. It started out as me deciding to see how long I could sit still in my room (I was grounded and didn't want to give my parents the satisfaction of a tantrum). Then I read The Eye of the World, a fantasy novel with a bit about throwing your thoughts into a flame to leave only this void that would allow you to focus and stuff like that, and I decided to see if I could do the same thing. That's why I started doing it daily. After about a month, it had just become habit. My mother was a teacher so I'd be stuck in her classroom for a few hours each day after school with nothing but some homework and some quiet, so it functioned as a time killer at that point. Then I reached the first state I talked about once, and I had to look that shit up because it was scary to me.

 

The rest is pretty boring outside of the first time I truly dissociated, and that was in the Fall of 2013. I was eighteen and spent large swaths of time in my room away from people and classes. If I needed to deal with my instability (I was dealing with some misdiagnosed depression as well as abusing alcohol while on brain meds), I could meditate. One day I stopped being able to hear the rain outside and became aware that I couldn't hear it, and that moment of dissociating caused me to break myself out of it, if that makes sense. From then on it was just a matter of curiosity to see where it went. I wasn't going to classes and had a stipend so I had all the time I needed over the next few months to work on that, and then I discovered tulpas. The rest is also pretty boring.

[Lacquer]

Do you think the psychoactive substances you were taking/drinking could have affected this?

[Earthquake]

Hi Joshua, how are you doing? Quick question.

 

Is there a typical time frame for a person to start being able to dissociate themselves? I see a lotta people asking how long it takes a tulpa to respond and the answer is always "It's different for everyone", with some people taking a month, and some people taking over a year to see results. Is that something that would apply to this question?

 

Also, any idea on when you will possibly be finished with your guide?

[Kaytwo]

Meditation brought me to dissociation in 2013, and that ability and experience helped me with possession and later switching as well as provided a very immersive forcing experience.

 

I have had a dissociative experience (not through meditation) that resulted in increased ability to switch and visualize. It happened after three months of trying unsuccessfully to learn switching, we were stuck at full body possession because I could not "step away" from the drivers seat. A week or so after was the first time we switched. I think experiencing a state of dissociation makes it easier to dissociate again.

 

 

 

The meditation I do focuses on acknowledging the passive thoughts in your head until you run out, basically. The state after running out of thoughts and active awareness is trance-like, and after practicing reaching that state consistently and in a timely matter, I found that I sometimes entered an even deeper state where I lost awareness of my hearing, the feeling of the tongue in my mouth, my body, etc.

 

Are you practicing vipassanna? This sounds similar to my experiences with meditation. I think it is a reliable way to learn to dissociate. I think one common barrier people have is trying to actively "clear their mind" rather than, as I think of it, let their mind be at ease.

[Edward]

Do you think the psychoactive substances you were taking/drinking could have affected this?

 

Not really, since I'm not drinking to that level anymore, and the meds weren't themselves the problem. I just was taking them irregularly and drinking while on them. They may have done something, but I never meditated while drunk as far as I can remember. During that time period, if I was drinking, it was to the point of blacking out. So short answer, I don't know, but I don't think so.

 

Hi Joshua, how are you doing? Quick question.

 

Is there a typical time frame for a person to start being able to dissociate themselves?

 

Also, any idea on when you will possibly be finished with your guide?

To the first, not that I've seen. However, I haven't ever seen any claims of "overnight" dissociation that I've personally believed, so I dont think it's too possible to happen in a short frame of practice.

 

To the second, trying to have it up for review by Sunday night.

 

 

I think experiencing a state of dissociation makes it easier to dissociate again.

 

Are you practicing vipassanna? This sounds similar to my experiences with meditation. I think it is a reliable way to learn to dissociate. I think one common barrier people have is trying to actively "clear their mind" rather than, as I think of it, let their mind be at ease.

To the first bit, I agree completely.

 

To the second bit, no, I don't really follow any structured meditation path in terms of established methods. It's just bits an pieces here and there, though I think vipassana is one of the closest ones.

 

To your final sentence, yes, this a million times. I tell people to passively acknowledge your thoughts. If you have the thought process of "I'm acknowledging this thought," then you're already too active in it. If the mind is a wind up toy and every active thought is another turn on the key, then the meditation I do is trying to let the wind up wind itself all the way down.

[Earthquake]

 

To the first, not that I've seen. However, I haven't ever seen any claims of "overnight" dissociation that I've personally believed, so I dont think it's too possible to happen in a short frame of practice.

 

 

Hmm alright. I mainly asked because from about March to November of 2014 I was active forcing with my tulpa quite a bit, but not everyday or in a habitual format. I had tried some meditating to help with the process and you guys are throwing around different names of different types of mediation and I dont know what those are honestly but basically all I had learned was focus on your breathing and clear your mind.

 

I was maybe doing it for 5-10 minutes before a session, or sometimes in the middle of a session if my thoughts where getting erratic or having intrusive thoughts. But I was definitely not doing it for every forcing session.

 

Now this was in October of last year so my memories not great on it, and it lasted only about 2-3 seconds. It was during a short mediation and out of no where something happened I just felt incredibly strange and I would say maybe a bit of an out of body feeling. I didn't feel like I had a minute before, I felt like I was still in the same place but just not myself. It was very strange and I have no idea to this day what the hell it was but I always had a sneaking suspicion that it might have been a disassociation. Hasn't happened before or since.

 

It wasn't unpleasant in anyway and it lasted about 3 seconds before I kinda freaked a bit and didn't know what had happened and it snapped me out of it.

 

Sorry for such a long post, its just been something I've kinda kept to myself this past year and you seem like the person to talk to about it. Does this sound like I possibly dissociated?

[Edward]

 

Hmm alright. I mainly asked because from about March to November of 2014 I was active forcing with my tulpa quite a bit, but not everyday or in a habitual format. I had tried some meditating to help with the process and you guys are throwing around different names of different types of mediation and I dont know what those are honestly but basically all I had learned was focus on your breathing and clear your mind.

 

I was maybe doing it for 5-10 minutes before a session, or sometimes in the middle of a session if my thoughts where getting erratic or having intrusive thoughts. But I was definitely not doing it for every forcing session.

 

Now this was in October of last year so my memories not great on it, and it lasted only about 2-3 seconds. It was during a short mediation and out of no where something happened I just felt incredibly strange and I would say maybe a bit of an out of body feeling. I didn't feel like I had a minute before, I felt like I was still in the same place but just not myself. It was very strange and I have no idea to this day what the hell it was but I always had a sneaking suspicion that it might have been a disassociation. Hasn't happened before or since.

 

It wasn't unpleasant in anyway and it lasted about 3 seconds before I kinda freaked a bit and didn't know what had happened and it snapped me out of it.

 

Sorry for such a long post, its just been something I've kinda kept to myself this past year and you seem like the person to talk to about it. Does this sound like I possibly dissociated?

 

To me that sounds like a sense of depersonalization, not dissociation as I know of it. I've had both, so that's where I'm getting that explanation from. Hopefully that helps some?

[Earthquake]

 

To me that sounds like a sense of depersonalization, not dissociation as I know of it. I've had both, so that's where I'm getting that explanation from. Hopefully that helps some?

 

Wikipedia and a couple other sites like webmd made depersonalization sound like an extremely undesirable thing. Said it can cause anxiety, and anxiety attacks and I can't do that again took a year of my life and made it absolute hell. I...think I'll just wait on your guide before I start working towards dissociation.

 

Thanks though, because it did sound similar to what I experienced but I didn't have any negative side effects like it listed. What was it like for you by the way?

[Edward]

 

Wikipedia and a couple other sites like webmd made depersonalization sound like an extremely undesirable thing. Said it can cause anxiety, and anxiety attacks and I can't do that again took a year of my life and made it absolute hell. I...think I'll just wait on your guide before I start working towards dissociation.

 

Thanks though, because it did sound similar to what I experienced but I didn't have any negative side effects like it listed. What was it like for you by the way?

 

My depersonalization was a byproduct of psychotic depression, so not the most fun. I'll get the guide out when I can, friendo.