Ranger March 4, 2021 Share March 4, 2021 I realize now you put this in two places, I'll give the longer answer to my thoughts here. While I believe constructive criticism is important for making better guides, it isn't something everyone wants to deal with. This is the forums, not school. As a result, having a system with a rejection system built in place, even if all of the team members had best intentions giving their reviews, will scare people away. Even in my GAT reviews, I point out a lot of things I don't like and give a lot of criticism to the point I think I'm probably pickier than the other team members. However, I wouldn't be surprised if someone thought my reviews were too intimidating, especially since I rarely gave my approval despite never giving my disapproval except maybe once or twice if at all. I feel like the GAT's review system seems to fail on the philosophy of get better and have a better guide because it prioritizes approval over anything else. In fact, I found it incredibly distasteful other people not only thought it would be easier to disapprove, but go looking for guides to disapprove them. Even if unpopular guides need to be removed, there shouldn't be parties of people who want nothing but to tear things down. On my subconscious fear of tearing guides down, I believe that motivated my approval of an upvote only system, the other motivation being my lack of experience and desire to get a plan of action put forward. I don't have much experience with up vote and down vote systems, I assumed it was bad to establish downvotes because it could result in the same problem of people being scared away by criticism. I was also desperate to get things moving, at the time the GAT was dysfunctional and Matt's guide wasn't going to be addressed, much less have Cat's guide get a re-review for her updated version. 1 hour ago, Luminesce said: And open-ended, no one has to vote with their post, or give particularly constructive criticism/praise. The quality of the approval or disapproval is dependent on the quality of the review. If someone doesn't put a lot of effort into their review, maybe skimming the document to see if nothing horrible in their eyes jumps out of them and double checking its tulpa related, their review is as useful as an up or down vote. On the other hand, a guide review that was the product of hours worth of thorough trading, taking notes, and thought out responses will be much higher in quality. If there is no system demanding high quality reviews, then the reviews themselves will likely have tainted quality overall. Even I didn't put hours of effort into reviews before I joined the GAT, I didn't feel like it was worth the effort. Even though up votes carry this flaw, they at least make it easier to filter guides, which was an element that was requested to be preserved. Comments in a thread can't easily be used to filter guides while up votes can, giving this system a leg up from comments alone. While I appreciate the idea of a system where everyone reviews, the problem with this idea is it's not applicable. It's a time and incentive investment most people cannot provide. In addition, if you don't know who's reviewing when, you don't know what kind of feedback you will get. An imperfect GAT should at least be consistent. Unfortunately, a popular vote is easier to use, easier to understand, and makes sorting guides easier. I would like to implement a different system to preserve some of the positive qualities of the GAT review system, but I disagree that this is the way to go about it. Even though it would be nice to have a system where everyone was motivated to give the best advice, it's just not possible. I'm Ranger, GrayTheCat's tulpa, and I love hippos! I also like cake and chatting about stuff. I go by Rosalin or Ronan sometimes. You can call me Roz but please don't call me Ron. My other headmates have their own account now. If I missed seeing your art, please PM/DM me! Temporary Log | Switching Log | Yay! | Bre Translator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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