Stable Environment

[EightyEight]

Hey guys! I was wondering if you could give any insight on a bit of a problem I have. I can't form a stable wonderland/mindscape/schizophreniczone/what have you. I can't seem to loosen up my control on what I see in my head. Somehow, I managed to give Leo, my Tulpa, control of his body whenever I look at it in my mind's eye (and i'm how sure how i even did that, I think he did all the work) but other than that I seem to have complete control over the environment. Pretty much the environment doesn't even exist in the sense that all of your wonderlands do but rather as a daydream that vanishes as soon as I think of something else and can't do *anything* unless I or i imagine at some point Leo alters it. If I try to go to an unexplored area, either the "camera" doesn't follow me (I've been daydreaming in third person for 15 years, i need to stop that) or it's an empty void unless it gets filled in manually, and nothing can control itself besides Leo without being puppeted. Is this something that everyone starts out with and works through somehow? Without having a stable mindscape, i feel like i'm depriving Leo of something very significant considering he isn't imposed into the real world and has the linguistic skills of a two-year-old at the moment.

 

This has been visited on the forum before, twice actually: once here where the general consensus was "don't", although it seemed to assume the anon had the ability to keep it stable anyway and once here which begs another problem entirely: at that point, is it likely that anything that moves could become a thoughtform on it's own and maybe even a Tulpa at a certain point? It seems as though active imagination methods create a stable mindscape, but at the same time creates several thoughtforms who are almost at a Tulpa-level, with the only question left to ask is if they can leave the mindscape and enter other parts of the sub-c or enter the omnipresence of a Tulpa who can bring it's attention to you when he/she wants to and become imposed on the environment.

 

Also, if i haven't annoyed you guys enough yet, can daydreams leak into your mindscape or vice versa? Could i zone out in class and set a forest on fire with lasers shot out of my eyes and in a daydream and burn down wonderland?

 

EDIT: Run-on sentences. Run-on sentences everywhere.

[CyberD]

You should remember that the wonderland isn't the important part, the tulpa is. Leo will develop a lot faster if you focus on him instead of struggling with an imaginary environment to put him in. Wonderlands aren't for everyone, if you can't focus on the wonderland then just leave it and try again some other time.

 

If you still want to try and use a wonderland then make it a very simple one. Or, you could simply close your eyes and visualize the room you're currently in.

 

By using the room you're in you don't need to be creative. You know what it looks like and so it doesn't divert your attention.

 

A simple wonderland on the other hand could be a blank white room, or it could even be a black void identical to what you see when you close your eyes and just look at your eyelids. When you can keep Leo in mind while using a simple wonderland then you can start to explore.

 

Until then don't worry about making forests and burning them down.

 

Daydreams? They sound like distractions with little meaning to me. Like you are trying to visualize your wonderland and suddenly you get a song stuck in your head or you start thinking about the game you played an hour ago. If that's the kind of daydreaming you mean then I think you should look at it as a bad thing. If you notice yourself getting distracted then center your thoughts back on your tulpa and the wonderland.

 

Hope that helps a little. Probably just creates more questions though ^^;

[Kadoh]

Ok.

If you mean that you find yourself thinking completely different thoughts suddenly and not even being in the wonderland during forcing, I know the feel. It's easiest if you just enter like a day dream and get interested and sucked in, I don't know if this is just for ADD folk though.

 

But if you get distracted and leave, Leo will still be in a stable wonderland. I found that ever since all my tulpa folk started moving, even my day dreams have a mind of their own. I guess it just comes with time.

 

I am also an avid day dreamer, and never has my wonderland been affected by them, unless am in them and I think "imagine if a meteor smashed into the wonderland" and then it happened. Then you just reboot it.