What is Your Opinion on Astral Projection -The Poll

[Sands]

It's still like lucid dreaming but when awake. ~~Imagination~~

[Upper Class Twit]

 

and for those of us who dont astrally project in our sleep?

 

Theta tones are used in Astral Projection, and the kinds of theta waves that are used are the same frequencey (6-10 Hz) that are given off during REM (Rapid Eye Movement) sleep, which is where we dream the most. I personaly have IRL friends who try Astral Projection and OBEs via self induced sleep paralyisis, which is where the body is tricked into sleeping with the mind fully aware and concious. Now for a dream to be Lucid, the mind has to "wake up" during sleep without the body doing the same. So they are related, if not the same thing neurologicaly, granted in massivley different spectrums in terms of magnitude, and Lucid dreaming comes after we start sleeping, as opposed to Astral Projection which would start as our body falls asleep.

 

Tl;Dr- It's our brain in the Theta state hallucinating while the body is asleep and mind is aware.

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You're liars, teehee!

 

 

How do you go about astral projecting, Forge?

 

I know a good site that teaches you how to do stuff like this, OBEs, Lucid Dreaming, Astral Projection and the like. It's called Lucidology. http://www.lucidology.com/

[imahaxor]

Alright, I just stumbled on an astral projection thread from /mlp/, and there were a couple things about it that interested me. First I'll give a TL;DR rundown:

 

OP claims to be an experienced astral projector. He believes that astral projection is tied into the multiverse theory, claiming that during astral projection you can travel to any infinite number of possible universes. Being an /mlp/ thread (incoming spaghetti), OP travels to Equestria with his tulpa. The surprising thing is, he says that the entities he's met have projected themselves into his reality; or his real life when not astral projecting. So would that mean that they are tulpa, or has the OP created a wonderland filled with really complex servitors?

 

Or you know, this is just really good RP.

 

Here's the thread: http://boards.4chan.org/mlp/res/8223540

 

There is a probability that this will 404 if not kept alive, hopefully it will be archived.

[Domnopalus]

Wow, having not originally come from 4chan (but still having 'brushed' with various parts of it and known basically what it is about), the world just got a huge amount more messed up after reading that. No offense to you--I think we here are the more 'sane' people from there if you came from there originally.

 

 

I'm not sure I fully understand the desire to have sex with cartoon ponies at all x_X

 

 

Anyway.

 

http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?4324-Do-the-astral-planes-include-fictional-realms

 

There are two opinions on one matter here ^. I personally don't think it's possible to astral project to a fictional place. Maybe it is, but to me, that's just wonderland-work or daydreaming, or world-building. But who knows.

I regularly (every day) listen to about 2 or 3 podcasts/radio shows about various aspects of the "Paranormal." I don't know if anyone is familiar with Coast to Coast AM, but they are a great resource for this kind of information. As of late they've been getting really dark/conspiracy oriented, which I do believe there is something going on, but I've been trying to avoid those shows because they depress me. I digress.

 

Anyway it has always been my understanding that 'Astral Projection' has to do with one's spiritual body (not body, per se, but the nonphysical aspect of ourselves) traveling to real, as in physical, places and observing the goings-on in a particular place in real-time, but traveling on the "spiritual plane," so one is not readily observable by physical beings that are still in our bodies. Rarely I've heard of astral projection to the past or future, or in a multiverse kind of context. However, astral projection to fictional places such as Equestria does NOT seem to be astral projection. That is daydreaming, or perhaps, more elaborately, tapping into a collective consciousness' understanding of a fictional place, if you get what I mean (which there may be more to). But in no way is it a physical, or "real" as we know it, place, and therefore it is not astral projection. There have been many cases reported of people who astrally project themselves to see things that are happening, later to be verified by people who were actually present, that those things actually happened.

 

Also I'd like to add that there is a difference between Remote Viewing and Astral Projection (which I almost forgot). Remote viewing is without leaving your body and simply viewing real-time imagery of the chosen location, and astral projection is when you leave your physical body and travel the world (or universe) as a nonphysical being.

 

To answer the thread, I believe there may be something to this, especially to remote viewing, but I don't believe all that people think is astral travel really is. I think it's perhaps a slightly more elaborated wonderland, or as I said before, plugging into or tapping into a collective consciousness kind of thing (which could account for actually exploring fictional realms to some degree).

[imahaxor]

Wow' date=' having not originally come from 4chan (but still having 'brushed' with various parts of it and known basically what it is about), the world just got a huge amount more messed up after reading that.[/quote']

That seems to be the general trend going around 4chan. You get used to it.

 

tapping into a collective consciousness' understanding of a fictional place

Yeah, that's pretty much the only angle I can look at it from. I don't know the difference between astral projection and simple daydreaming firsthand, but it definitely seems like a glorified wonderland to me.

[Tungan Ninja]

Here's the thread: http://boards.4chan.org/mlp/res/8223540

 

There is a probability that this will 404 if not kept alive, hopefully it will be archived.

 

You hit the nail on the head with that statement.

I read through as much of the link as I could; it ended up taking me just under 4 hours to get halfway down the thread, but what I read was very enlightening. It's too bad I closed it (intending to finish it later) only to realize that it was 404'd already. Shame, it was really interesting to hear Van and Tia's stories, especially how they referenced Oguigi and Koomer.

[Semi-Nomadic]

Here's the thread: http://boards.4chan.org/mlp/res/8223540

 

There is a probability that this will 404 if not kept alive, hopefully it will be archived.

Y'know, you could have tried and saved it to disk while you were at it. (Unless you're on a mobile phone or something)

 

I remember the "lucid dream" threads at /mlp/ where someone claimed to be able to project into Equestria in his dreams and see what the next episode was going to be about. It didn't work and, if I recall correctly (I'd have to see if I have that thread saved somewhere), he wondered why'd the ponies "lie" to him.

[Chupi]

As I said before, I'm still somewhat skeptical but have tried it a couple times. I've heard things that would seem to indicate that it not only works but isn't that hard to do. This comes from someone I trust not to lie about it and who was quite possibly disbelieved it even more than I did. And he's quite good at spotting the tricks that people use to fool others and themselves into believing they're doing something like this. Of course nothing here stands up to scientific standards of proof -- if it did, all this would be far more widely accepted.

 

However I also note that I have not seen firm evidence that it it not possible either. There are loads of people who claim to be able to do it, but can be shown to be using simple and well known tricks like cold reading. Yet this disproves nothing -- the fact that someone can't do something doesn't mean the thing is impossible to do. I could show you plenty of people who cannot program a computer...

 

Then there's the lack of a known method by which it could possibly work, which again disproves nothing. This would hold more weight if we fully understood how the brain works, but it's something we know very little about today. Nobody can give you a definite answer to something as simple as why the brain requires sleep. We know about things the brain does while it sleeps, but why it requires something so evolutionarily disadvantageous as an hours-long lapse in awareness is still a mystery.

 

Another argument I've seen (and subscribed to in the past) is that there's nothing emanated from the human brain that could be picked up by another brain to get usable information, especially at the distances people claim to be able to do it. Sure there's brainwaves, but at any reasonable distance they're far below the noise floor. Again we're looking at an organ we know comparatively next to nothing about, and it's quite likely that not every medium that can possibly be used for communication in this universe has been discovered.

[imahaxor]

It's theories and arguments like these that have really gotten me interested in all fields concerning the brain. There is so much that we don't know about the brain, it almost makes me want to pursue a career in neurology or some other related field. Has any reputable research ever been done on phenomena like these, research that doesn't date back to the years of secret WWII military testing?

[Domnopalus]

I don't know if this is helpful but I still had the page open, so I copy/pasted it

 

http://pastebin.com/xhE0Nbkg