Tulpas and heaven

[KenzieK]

So the same question keeps popping up in my mind... If I go to heaven, would my tulpa go too? I thought it over multiple times, but I wanted to see what other people think. Would it just be me because I'm one person, or would it be both of us because we're two separate beings/ conciouses? And what does God think of tulpa? Would he recognize them as beings just as we are?

 

I would love to hear others insights, religious or not. I don't mind if a post is by someone who is not religious, as long as it does not degrade me or my beliefs. Thank you!

[Spice]

Well I don't believe in any deities, but there would be two arguments about this, if I were.

1) People think that DID and Tulpæ are some form of demon. If that's how your God sees things (although I assume he'd totally understand, and be cool about it) then no.

2) if your god (like I said earlier) is cool with Tulpæ, I'd assume they'd stay in your mind while you were in heaven. (Maybe they'd even be a different person in heaven?)

 

It's interesting to think about. I suppose it ties back to 'do tulpæ have a soul?'

[waffles]

If you want a Christian viewpoint, no. Typically, you can't go to heaven without a soul, right? But God 'makes' souls as it were; he makes humans alive, anyway, which is as close as the Bible actually gets to the technicality of souls. Your tulpa wasn't made by God, chances are, because you made them. So, like artificial intelligence, if ever it is made, I would guess that your tulpa can't go to heaven for want of a God-given soul, or otherwise spark of divinity.

 

That is, assuming you want to count tulpa as separate beings. If, on the other hand, you don't, and want to call them part of your own body or something - being a product of your brain - the answer is probably also no. The Bible usually talks about transfixing the body on the way to heaven, so I guess you lose your tulpa there too.

[Guest Anonymous]

This is better suited for the metaphysical section.

 

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I'm an atheist/agnostic. I don't believe that anything will happen to you after death aside from naturally decomposing, assuming you are buried. Your brain rots away, leaving food for other organisms. Your consciousness, and the tulpa(s) you had, go with it. They don't go to a heaven that doesn't exist, in my opinion.

[QB2]

I don't believe in an afterlife, but if there were one, I think it would be very tulpa-friendly. Your body is back on earth, so you're a consciousness... your tulpa is the same, they were always just a consciousness with no physical body. Seems logical they'd be just another guy in a place like that.

[Chupi]

If you want a Christian viewpoint, no. Typically, you can't go to heaven without a soul, right? But God 'makes' souls as it were; he makes humans alive, anyway, which is as close as the Bible actually gets to the technicality of souls. Your tulpa wasn't made by God, chances are, because you made them. So, like artificial intelligence, if ever it is made, I would guess that your tulpa can't go to heaven for want of a God-given soul, or otherwise spark of divinity.

Of course it's also possible that in creating a tulpa, we tear off a small bit of our souls and let it grow into a separate one. Kinda like growing a plant from a clipping -- it's not normal reproduction, but it's not creating life out of nothing either. In that case, they'd go with you since they have valid souls created by God as well.

 

That is, assuming you want to count tulpa as separate beings. If, on the other hand, you don't, and want to call them part of your own body or something - being a product of your brain - the answer is probably also no. The Bible usually talks about transfixing the body on the way to heaven, so I guess you lose your tulpa there too.

 

I wouldn't call them tied to the body any more than your own consciousness is. More like a separate consciousness, tied to your brain the same way your own is. In this case, provided we assume they're alive in basically similar ways to ourselves, they would be treated the same. I don't know if they'd go to $AFTERLIFE as an entirely separate being, or still somehow tied to you.

[waffles]

In Christianity at least, souls aren't thought about like that. For one, your soul isn't really yours to mess with; it's not something that humans can or should be "splitting". But, more basically, that's not how souls are interpreted. Your soul is you in the most basic form. You can't split it because it's simply not an object like that. It's your "breath of life" and what makes you human. It's not quantifiable or, as I said, accessible.

 

Consciousness is biological, really. It's the soul that really makes humans special. If consciousness were enough to get into Heaven, then I guess animals would get to go as well. I think it's generally said that animals don't go to heaven, so I guess something conscious but not 'human' - with human soul - probably wouldn't go to heaven.

 

But look, there weren't any neuroscientists writing the Bible. It's all more or less open to interpretation. 

[Ashikael]

Because your tulpa is a part of you, I would say your tulpa would go wherever you go. Whether or not it gets integrated back into your own soul or stays a separate part of you is open to interpretation.

 

I would guess that any creator God would look upon the idea of His creations being creators themselves with great pride. After all, He created you and He loves His creations, so obviously He would understand how much your tulpa means to you. In heaven, you are pure consciousness. You don't have a body and therefore have no limitations on your thoughts. Keeping tulpae and creating new ones, or doing anything that required a lot of meditation and concentration on earth, would be easy as breathing with no bodily limitations. In heaven you are part of the universal divine consciousness that is God, and I'd imagine your tulpa would be too. You would be aware of everything in existence, there with your Creator.

 

At least, that's what I personally like to believe. Your ideas will obviously vary based on your own beliefs :D

[Enoch327]

First of all I don't believe in the classical heaven as such. I do think there is an afterlife. You know, parents have to teach babies that there is such a thing as separation. Then we spend years and years in therapy and meditation to get back to the belief that all is one. If all is one, then what power in Heaven, Earth, or Vulcan could keep you separate from something you had created? Only you my friend. You are on the right track, so keep going.

[Renfer112]

Weren't tulpas created by Tibetten monks? I think they'd believe that a tulpa would go to the afterlife, seeing as a tulpa was supposed to be FROM the ethereal plane. Not that i'm into that metaphysical crap, no offence to the metaphysics guys. I believe in god 100%, and I believe he indirectly gave us privileged few the chance to make a tulpa. Why wouldn't he let them tag along to the afterlife?