Discouraged

[Coastie]

Hello all. Bit of an issue here.

 

For the past few weeks, I've been trying to spend time with my tulpa, but it's not really working out.

 

Previously, I've tried to do things, anything, with her in my wonderland, but I felt as if I was making her do things, or making things happen and giving her the credit even when I did it. I tried to think that events such as her changing clothes and whatnot was random, not me, but...

 

I haven't forced in a while. I've tried narrating and the like, but I find it very difficult to keep talking to something that either can't talk back, or is just not able to be heard.

 

With all that piling up, I've grown quite discouraged. I have not forgot about her. I still remember all of her bits and pieces, I just told her to stay in the wonderland for a while.

 

And now, I really don't know where to go from here. I know vocality and the like can take quite a while to develop, and I get that. I've lost my headaches/head pressures and there's been nothing since. Not sure what to do now.

 

Thoughts?

[omegaAnubis]

All you can do is keep on narrating and forcing. You need to motivate yourself to do this, as making your first tulpa is a long and tedious process (half an entire year for me) so really thats all you can do

[waffles]

Thoughts?

 

If you're not motivated enough by the end result then just forget it.

[Shui]

In my humble opinion, you're doubting yourself too much. Assume sentience from the start. If she's changing clothes on her own, don't call it random -- know that it's her.

 

You're thinking it's all in your head. Well, of course it is. Yes, that's your mind making random changes to her clothing. But tulpae grow out of those random changes. When you say that's her, you're allowing your mind to continue, and encouraging it to do so. Eventually this seemingly minor and random deviation will grow into a full personality.

[KenzieK]

There will probably be a lot of times where you feel like you've done all you can and then not know where to go from where you are. Passive forcing was a life saver for me, so if you've run out of things to do in the wonderland, it's ok to take a break from it (with your tulpa). Also, parroting a little bit gave my tulpa the extra push she needed to become vocal. It's not going to hurt your tulpa if you use parroting as a tool for development. If you're weary of parroting, then you can try to do emotion links with your tulpa so they can learn to communicate a little that way, or maybe ask them to nod/ shake their head, or to use facial expressions? Just try to remember to keep them by your side at all times and narrate as much as possible

[Spartanelete]

I'm not saying this as some random comical Disney joke, but all you have to do is believe.

[Dr. Faust]

Hello all. Bit of an issue here.

 

For the past few weeks, I've been trying to spend time with my tulpa, but it's not really working out.

 

Previously, I've tried to do things, anything, with her in my wonderland, but I felt as if I was making her do things, or making things happen and giving her the credit even when I did it. I tried to think that events such as her changing clothes and whatnot was random, not me, but...

 

I haven't forced in a while. I've tried narrating and the like, but I find it very difficult to keep talking to something that either can't talk back, or is just not able to be heard.

 

With all that piling up, I've grown quite discouraged. I have not forgot about her. I still remember all of her bits and pieces, I just told her to stay in the wonderland for a while.

 

And now, I really don't know where to go from here. I know vocality and the like can take quite a while to develop, and I get that. I've lost my headaches/head pressures and there's been nothing since. Not sure what to do now.

 

Thoughts?

 

 

I say this a lot but I don't think I can say this enough, but creating a tulpa is a lot like daydreaming when you were kid and you didn't need some web forum to tell you how to day-dream.

 

Just stop caring about parroting and let yourself pretend, because in the end that's what you're imagination is. Enjoy the stuff you do. Enjoy spending time with the tulpa.

 

Over time, the form becomes concrete, the sentience develops, and it seems as if your tulpa controls itself but only when you pretend for an extended period of time because in a way, the things you pretend can be a little bit beyond your control, you just don't realize it.

 

So, if you're parroting things your tupper does, then roll with it. Enjoy it. Get lost in that feeling and once you forget in the excitement of parroting that you are parroting then your tupper starts to come alive and it takes a while, but you'll get there.

[MagicHats]

Yep. A lot of people made good point but I'm going to put my 2 cents with my current tulpa Thess and my work in progress, Lexi.

 

Patience is a virtue and diligence is a going to be your friend if you want a tulpa to really be a vocal tulpa and not just what you're experiencing, especially your first tulpa. It took a lot of narrating before Thess could talk, and it will probably take a while before Lexi will talk but if you put enough work you can get a vocal tulpa.

 

Emotion links are pretty useful if you want to get into a good way of communicating and that's how me and thess talked when we started out(She didn't really even have a form, she was just a glowing ball at the time). If you think it's not for you it's okay, it's your tulpa after all. Do what you feel is good but I cannot stress this enough that it will take some work, even if it's just a little.

 

Just have faith that your tulpa is developing. Thess says that while she was good at getting her point across with the emotional link, she just couldn't figure out how to really speak fluently(Something I think might have come from my diligence to make a tulpa without parroting since I thought it was detrimental to tulpa development).

 

Parroting is okay and like the others say, roll with it. It will help the tulpa start doing stuff on it's own if you parrot it a little bit sometimes.

[Linkzelda]

OP, The reason why people say roll with the presumed parroting is because at some point, the unconscious mind will take care of formulating the totality that makes a tulpa real, sentient, and whatever role the host wants with them. That's just basic understanding anyone should grasp when going about tulpaforcing. The thing is, people forget that, and think they're able to consciously prepare EVERY single aspect that comes with vocality, form, etc. EVERY SINGLE TIME.

 

They assume they can channel so much attention and energy to create that in advance consciously.They literally made a dichotomy between what goes on with the conscious and unconscious mind. If you just make a thread here, which is contributing to making topics like these ad nauseam, expect to get repeated responses you know will occur. You can't produce results for yourself if you don't know how to actually DO them.

"Life is pretty simple: You do some stuff. Most fails. Some works. You do more of what works. If it works big, others quickly copy it. Then you do something else. The trick is the doing something else." - Leonardo da Vinci

 

“I have been impressed with the urgency of doing. Knowing is not enough; we must apply. Being willing is not enough; we must do.” - Leonardo da Vinci

 

There's a reason why people are stating the obvious, because they're true, and if there are concepts that seem out of place, it's only a matter of time where there's an improvement societal understanding in this forum of the concepts behind Tulpa and the methods and techniques to create them, make a bond with them, and living your life with them.

 

Seriously, read a guide, make a plan, it doesn't matter what, just something that involves you doing, learn to manage your own life while acknowledging the tulpa, find exercises to train your visualization (that can stack on to other methods of tulpaforcing) and repeat. Learn how to deal with your emotions and not let them stifle your competence in actually being able to DO something about it.

 

No amount of white-knighting/sugar-coating/euphemism is going to produce results for you, you need to apply, and find ways to do that. You have a brain, you have the means to DO things, use them. Experiment. Learn through the mistakes. Experiment some more, this tulpa phenomenon is not set in stone, you're not the only one going through discouragement, find ways to get over that.

[Zero]

Also, parroting a little bit gave my tulpa the extra push she needed to become vocal. It's not going to hurt your tulpa if you use parroting as a tool for development.

 

I really wish more people kept this in mind, parroting isn't bad and you will do it, even after they have become vocal. of course, once vocality has been achieved it won't be necessary anymore, but unless your tulpa explicitly says they don't like it (in which case they'd probably help you figure out a way to stop it) you shouldn't be worrying about it. Same goes for puppeting, it's like Shui said, if it /seems/ to be your tulpa, assume that it is.

 

In fact, I believe that the more you believe the stuff they do is actually them, the better you're helping them grow. If you keep giving yourself credit for stuff you'll only be practicing visualization, not forcing. Just keep at it, be patient, and both of you will get there.