Unfortunate Skeptic

[FigN01]

In terms of stopping your heart, I want to add a post I made earlier. There are certain regions of the inner brain that regulate many of your bodily functions that you don't actively control, but can influence through outside factors- heartbeat, breath, hunger, thirst, sexual desire and response, etc. These cannot be completely stopped because they are critical to your survival, and your body has certain reflexes to counteract any problems with them such as passing out if you hold your breath for too long.

 

The cortex of the brain is what you're able to control directly, and that's where I'd reason the idea of a tulpa is kept. Like any other external cue, they can also influence your involuntary bodily functions, but they can not do any more to stop them than you can.

 

I wish I remember where the post is, but the best way I heard the existence of tulpa described was that your personality is as real to you or me as a tulpa's. What makes "you" is just a particular set of neural connections, just as what makes a tulpa is another set of the same. Their personality essentially has every right to exist in the same way yours does.

[ButHowCanItBe]

Thank you for the responses you answered alot of my questions. Im definitly going to do alot more reading and stick around to follow progress. Also I will attempt a tulpa of my own as the only way to be sure is first hand experiance. Unfortunatly i still do not believe i will succeed which will most likely result in my not succeeding. I still find the idea of visual hallucinations bewildering i am curious as to how vivid they are, if they are always with you and if you are the one that controls when they come/what they look like.

 

The following is addressed to clair:

It is understandable that you are angered when i doubt your existance but doing so only feeds by suspitions. You see, if TOG concluded you are not real (under the assumption you are not) then you would stop existing in the only place you do exist, his imagination. This being said he wants you to exist and as such when someone doubts your existance it threatens that. So as a defence mechanism he makes you get angry at the idea of you not existing and making that topic a sort of taboo. This taboo than will not be discussed for fear of the result and this then ensures your continued 'existance'.

[Pleeb]

Thank you for the responses you answered alot of my questions. Im definitly going to do alot more reading and stick around to follow progress. Also I will attempt a tulpa of my own as the only way to be sure is first hand experiance. Unfortunatly i still do not believe i will succeed which will most likely result in my not succeeding. I still find the idea of visual hallucinations bewildering i am curious as to how vivid they are, if they are always with you and if you are the one that controls when they come/what they look like.

Have you seen the About Page on this site yet? I'm doing just that: creating a tulpa to prove its existence. Though for me, it's not too bewildering to consider the idea that you can convince your mind to see a hallucination. Also, I'm not sure if you've actually read the Frequently Asked Questions page; maybe you should start there. Then, perhaps check out the What is a Tulpa page, and maybe some of the stuff in Supplemental Information; these are all on the Guides page.

 

I've heard from afew psych majors that the idea of tulpae are pretty psychologically sound; perhaps they could step forward in this topic.

 

A fully imposed tulpa is just as vivid to you as you would perceive reality, and if a tulpa covered your eyes, you won't be able to see in front of you. You also cannot simply "make" a tulpa go away if it doesn't want to; if the tulpa wants to be an asshole and stare at you showering while you'd want it to piss off, well, not much you can actually do aside from asking it to go away and give you privacy.

 

As for what they look like, you can create a form for them, but they're able to change it as they become sentient. I know of a tulpa that changed her entire form after even being imposed.

[TulpaCouple]

You should also do some research on hypnosis. Things like what we hear and see are hugely influenced more by our minds and our subconscious than you might realize. Our vision is more of a translation of what the eyes see created by our mind. Most people know this--technically we should see everything upside down, our mind flips the world over for us to see everything more clearly. It becomes a natural subconsciousness process and you don't doubt what you see.

 

It's impressive what things have been showing to be from conditioning of the mind. The subconscious speaks through repetition and through real time dialogue. Think of experiments in science. Give a dog a treat every time you ring a bell, next time you ring a bell, the dog will drool expectantly. There are more things like this. People have been able to--in less than a day--condition the eye to dilate physically when a bell was rung. Physical changes in the body because we are conditioned to believe x will happen. Not to mention the impressive things that can happen with stage hypnosis or even hypnotherapy.

 

Hypnosis isn't any magic thing, hypnosis is the same thing as meditation, tulpaforcing, or even the same thing as your general self affirmations. You speak to the subconscious in 'now' time and you repeat.Your subconscious will believe your conscious and it will react as if you are telling the truth. This is why a lot of people actually fail in using the subconscious, they don't understand how to speak to it. Saying "I will become a better student" does nothing. All you are saying is you are not a better student but at some unmentioned time you will be. Saying "I am a better student" will actually cause your mind to accept this as truth, even if you yourself take it as a lie. Your subconscious will believe you and you will in turn believe yourself with time and repetition. Then the habits will form, etc. and you will find your actions changing. The subconscious accepts cues from our mind and body and then sends signals out to make them reality.

 

There is even proof of how the subconscious can affect what we see. I learned about this in art history.

 

 

This painting caused a huge stir when it was unveiled. Yes the history of art is full of nude women, but this woman shows confidence in her body and there are several cues pointing to the fact that she is indeed a prostitute--which is funny, as that is what most of the models in art history were, only disguised as greek goddesses in the paintings themselves. This painting hit a nerve with a lot of people and the reaction was outstanding.

 

The people who saw it recognized her suggested trade and saw it as filth. And not only did they see her as dirty figuratively, but the painting was described as if he had painted mud on her hands and drawn her with a hideous face. People drew caricatures of new art all the time at this point in history, but all the caricatures of this painting specifically mention her 'gross' and 'filthy' or 'badly drawn' hands in their descriptions. People would review the painting and always mention how she looked as if she was covered in dirt or slime, when none of that is even in the picture. All imagined because of the shock and outrage these people saw.

 

Heck, here's a few of my favorite caricatures:

 

 

My reason for bringing this up is because this is really showing what the mind can do. We can really affect our vision so much as to see things that are not truly there. Or miss things that there that we don't want to see. The same can go even as drastic as a being.

 

Yes it's a being of our own mind, but our minds can be conditioned to accept them as real. And really that's all that makes anything real to us, is our mind accepting them as real.

 

 

So yes, if you made a tulpa with doubts of it ever existing, you would never end up succeeding. Because that's all a tulpa is. It's a construct of the mind that we choose to believe. If you say it doesn't exist, it never will. If you say it exists, you will find that your mind has the power to create it's existance.

 

My fiance studies the power of the mind--the histories of people creating spirit guides, daemons, or believing they have a guardian angel. It's all very possible and very powerful and it's always surprising how much our mind can really do.

 

 

Look up memory palaces as well. You might find you believe that much easier. World memory championships, men who are able to memorize the order of fifty decks of cards perfectly and only having seen them for one hour. Perfect recall, etc. All because they were able to create a construct to help with their memory.

 

It's neat stuff.

[ShyGuy65]

It took me a long time to see the black person in the back, and I completely missed the cat until I saw the caricatures.

[TulpaCouple]

Haha, I could go on about the symbolism in that painting forever. There is a reason those caricatures took such big notice of the slave and that cat. It's all very interesting psychology of the time.

[Guest applesauce99]

Dreams feel real while we're in them... it's only when we wake up that we realize something was strange.

 

WAKE ME UP! WAKE ME UP!

[Guest]

I'd just say that the reason that the drawers took so much note of those things was due the norms and culture of the time, but what do I know.

[Sock]

You see, if TOG concluded you are not real (under the assumption you are not) then you would stop existing in the only place you do exist, his imagination.

 

Except most people with tulpa are well aware, and will readily admit to their tulpa not being real. Infact, even one of the guides readily says that many tulpa are aware of what they are. While some do have a problem with it, or view their creator's saying this as cruel, other's are no phased, as it's just a fact of their life.

[glitchthe3rd]

tl;dr

 

Yes, I've had art history, and I'm familiar with the composition of the nude you posted. Said nude is also stretching the page, so please put it in an offsite HTML link or post it as a thumbnail.