And How 'Bout Those Servitors?

[Bambi]

So, James and I are a bit curious on this matter. :3

 

To start off with, I know what servitors are. I don't need an explanation for that. Instead, I'm curious about two other things:

 

1) Can they just "appear"--as in, does your subconscious sometimes create them? (I'm assuming the answer is that it certainly can).

 

2) How does one go about creating a servitor without making a tulpa? I'm assuming this is going to be a "just control them" type of thing . . . as in, don't "let" them be sentient?

 

Thanks ^^

[Stevie]

2) How does one go about creating a servitor without making a tulpa? I'm assuming this is going to be a "just control them" type of thing . . . as in, don't "let" them be sentient?

 

This is something I've been wondering too. I don't use his guide, but Fede basically talks about parroting your tulpa until it just becomes natural, if I understood it right. If you're trying for a servitor with a complex personality, wouldn't it just turn into a tulpa at some point? I guess the argument is, what's the difference between something that just looks like sentience, and actual sentience?

 

It seems like if you wanted to make a servitor, you'd have to limit what you actually do with it, so it wouldn't gain any autonomy.

[sushi]

1) Can they just "appear"--as in, does your subconscious sometimes create them? (I'm assuming the answer is that it certainly can).

 

I think it depends on how you define "servitor". If you're seeing it as something with a form, I don't know. If you're seeing it as the "programming", I think so.

 

For example:

For me, one of the forms of possession I use is a typing servitor. That is, like a program that runs in the brain that does my typing for me. I call it a "thought-to-type interface" : what I think at it, the hands type. This answers the age-old question "how do ponies type with hooves?"

You can see that as an example of a very simple programming-only servitor, and several people have seen that sort of thing form on its own.

 

2) How does one go about creating a servitor without making a tulpa? I'm assuming this is going to be a "just control them" type of thing . . . as in, don't "let" them be sentient?

 

This is just conjecture, but I believe it's similar to what Stevie Irons said: complex personality. We have a tendency to anthropomorphize things. As an example, when Shari Lewis appeared to testify before congress about violence in television, her sock puppet, Lamb Chop got permission to speak. I've heard that after Lamb Chop's speech, one of the congressmen asked Shari Lewis if she agreed with Lamb Chop. Reportedly it took him over a minute to figure out why everyone was laughing at him and retract the question.

 

Lamb Chop has her own face, her own voice, and her own personality, so there's a tendency to treat her like a person. I believe that when you give a servitor attributes like that, you're running the risk of making a tulpa. On the other hand, a servitor with complex behavior but no personality doesn't run that risk.

[Yuki]

1) Can they just "appear"--as in, does your subconscious sometimes create them? (I'm assuming the answer is that it certainly can).

Many people report characters spontaneously appearing in their heads. A trend I've seen is that it mostly just happens to people who believe it can and might happen randomly. There are some exceptions to the rule, where mindforms, whatever you want to name them, appeared spontaneously in front of a host who didn't consider the option or didn't think it would spontaneously happen. Perhaps it comes from some dormant fear that it might happen.

 

It most often seems to happen to people who just entertain the possibility of making a new tulpa of X character, and then poof! It shows up.

 

2) How does one go about creating a servitor without making a tulpa? I'm assuming this is going to be a "just control them" type of thing . . . as in, don't "let" them be sentient?

If you keep them on a tight leash and hold them back, I suppose these tulpas won't really develop beyond following your orders. I don't know if servitors as defined in this community exist as separate category from tulpas. Perhaps they are sentient too, in some degree, you can't really tell. I would personally think the things people want to do with servitors are better learned through building habits for yourself, so you don't have to concern yourself with your habits developing into tulpas. Why does a servitor need a form, anyway? The concept seems a little silly to me.

 

I have a bunch of characters in the wonderland that I regularly interact with, but I don't consider them tulpas or servitors. They're just simple, imaginary people. If anything more comes of them, we will see in time.

 

When you want to make an alarm clock servitor, at least make it look like an alarm clock, not your perfect little loli waifu. You're just begging for it if you do that sort of thing.

[tania]

Servitors aren't tulpas. They are just a thought form which has specific programming, people don't tend to put "personality" into them as that is more heading towards a tulpa. A servitor is just a thing which has a task. A servitor cant act outside of its programming.

 

I'm sure if a servitor went sentient, the person would notice it as it would then be doing differently or more then what it the thoughtform has been tasked to do.

 

I would personally think the things people want to do with servitors are better learned through building habits for yourself, so you don't have to concern yourself with your habits developing into tulpas.

 

Servitors are often used for things which have nothing to do with a persons habits eg one very common thing servitors are used for is as a "watcher"... to observe another person when a person themselves cant be there, this commonly goes on in some occultic circles.

 

I've had a healing servitor before..(nothing about myself at all but to give energy to others in need at times when I was asleep etc)

 

You are right about the servitors not needing form. I focus purely on the servitors role.

 

I have a bunch of characters in the wonderland that I regularly interact with, but I don't consider them tulpas or servitors. They're just simple, imaginary people. If anything more comes of them, we will see in time.

 

and that is probably al they are. They aren't programmed energy (which is what a servitor is).

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1) Can they just "appear"--as in, does your subconscious sometimes create them? (I'm assuming the answer is that it certainly can).

 

My guess to that question would be they probably are less commonly created subconsciously then tulpas. After all many people may "accidently", subconsciously create a tulpa just from being obsessed with some character. A person wouldn't usually think for long time periods on actually having something they want to do something else with, unless they know its going to do something to help.

 

eg say if me as a healer wanted to be helping others. I'd be thinking I want to help others but wouldn't be focused on actually creating an energy thing to help others with (unless I knew about servitors). This "I want to help others "thought would go into my subconsciousness too but my subconsciousness would just try to instantly do it (send out energy) rather then build up over time a thought form of the servitor nature to do it. A servitor would rarely be created in an instant but needs time put into it (just like a tulpa does).

 

or another example.. ones subconscious thought may be "something don't feel right, is my boyfriend having an affair" .. the subconsciousness usually just wouldn't think of creating a watcher to that thought!! (maybe though it could cause someone to astrally project out due to the concern instead). In both of these examples you can see the subconsciousness is acting instantly to a thought and not building up energy of an servitor thought form.

 

The subconsciousness from my observation of this doesn't seem to do much planning on I need to do this to create this to help that...

 

Whereas it would be far easier to accidently subconsciously create a tulpa.

[raymond13557]

i have quite a few servitors, and they are invaluable to me, i gave them some sentience meaning they can communicate verbally or telepathically. most of them are small anther cats, foxes, and rpg small style humans, they have their own tasks and jobs. and if left to their own devices they get along with each other well, but more to the point, they just do their own thing and look to my tuples and familiars with loving eyes, along with me, i treat them like equals, not like slaves.