Confessions of a Poorly Trained Tulpa

[Guest Anonymous]

I've done it. Behold my masterpiece!

 

NICE! ~Mistgod

 

Tulpa Humor: "The people in my head may be imaginary, but they have great ideas!"

 

~Melian

[Luminesce]

After a point, you have to wonder what makes "you" so much more "real" than something with such an established presence in your mind. I don't consider my tulpas "Nice, but fake" anymore, because they reached a point where they became so independent and generally experienced in life that I no longer felt it was fair to call them "fake" - if any of them were to possess my body for an extended amount of time, they would essentially be a legitimate human being. Becoming "real" is a mixture of experience, belief, and intent. I think an abundance of two of those may help cover for a third, but only barely.

 

Anyway, intent is pretty important. It's hard for any mind construct to be considered something you don't consider it after all. I just didn't like the phrasing of "She can never be...", you never know what can never be.

[Guest Anonymous]

After a point, you have to wonder what makes "you" so much more "real" than something with such an established presence in your mind. I don't consider my tulpas "Nice, but fake" anymore, because they reached a point where they became so independent and generally experienced in life that I no longer felt it was fair to call them "fake" - if any of them were to possess my body for an extended amount of time, they would essentially be a legitimate human being. Becoming "real" is a mixture of experience, belief, and intent. I think an abundance of two of those may help cover for a third, but only barely.

 

Anyway, intent is pretty important. It's hard for any mind construct to be considered something you don't consider it after all. I just didn't like the phrasing of "She can never be...", you never know what can never be.

 

You may be right. Note, I am not saying I am absolutely right in my opinions. I would love to be proven wrong. What a world that would open up to me!

 

I just had a very interesting conversation in the irc chat room. Someone mentioned that his tulpa is learning guitar by actually practicing a carefully constructed wonderland guitar. What the? The tulpa actually practices carefully. I explained that such an idea is brilliant but totally foreign to Melian and I. In her wonderland she just does things. If she wanted to play the guitar, she would just do so.

 

He explained that the experience is more real if the tulpa and creator take the time to connect it as close to a real world experience as possible. I realized, after pondering this, that if Melian took that approach, she might be come much more detailed, for lack of a better word and connected to the tangible world.

 

Melian had a hissy fit and said she is refusing to ever do boring practice! She is afraid I am going to ask her to do actual chores, something totally alien. That would not be an easy task for her.

 

On the other hand, she does have her own ideas about art. Art is fun for her though and she spends hours trying new things in the wonderland and through me when I channel her. Here is her latest inspiration

 

~Mistgod

[glitchthe3rd]

I prefer to think of tulpas more as "real, but not physical." This acknowledges their status as imaginal beings without undermining their value or personhood.

[Guest Anonymous]

I prefer to think of tulpas more as "real, but not physical." This acknowledges their status as imaginal beings without undermining their value or personhood.

 

It's interesting how we all have emotional connections to specific semantics. I am avoiding the word "real" for my own reasons. I do like your idea too. It works fine for you and it seems to be a prevailing viewpoint in Tulpa Info! It makes me wonder if people are experiencing something I have yet to.

 

I mean no offense at all when I say that is a belief system, bordering on a religion. People believe that God and angels are real, but not physically present in the room. I have heard God described as an imaginary friend, by atheists, to believers who claim to sense his presence and feel his love.

 

I have my own belief system with Melian that works with me. It is defensive somewhat though and stops a little short does it not? Am I reluctant to say she is real because I am worried about what others outside the Tulpa Info community would think?

 

I do realize that these topics have been discussed in the forum in the past. This has been brought up to me. It helps me to discuss these ideas with members. I have never been surrounded by a huge crowd of people with such a similar interest in my life. It is the first time I can think out loud and get feedback and new ideas and angles from people who know something about thoughtforms. Some of the responses to my posts in the forum have been profound and helped me to consider things in a new way. ~Mistgod

[Luminesce]

Something I had pointed out to me pretty clearly by some old members of the forum is that, the beliefs you're comfortable with aren't always the best ones for your tulpa. You may be wasting a lot of potential by believing in some limiting factors. As for the real/not real and what others might think, I just do everything logically? My tulpas are personas I've created in my mind and developed into autonomous self-acting beings. There is no room for right or wrong, it simply is what it is. As for the morality, that's more complicated and personal, but the phenomenon itself is completely solid to me.

 

Of course, not everyone has that luxury. I scrutinize every one of my beliefs to make sure it makes logical sense before I commit to believing it, and I'm pretty scientific in my research, so real/not real has never been a problem for me.. after the first couple years anyway. I'm sorry I can't say anything more helpful, but to me this is just a problem everyone has that I feel like I have the answer to yet can't convey. It just makes sense.

[Guest Anonymous]

Something I had pointed out to me pretty clearly by some old members of the forum is that, the beliefs you're comfortable with aren't always the best ones for your tulpa. You may be wasting a lot of potential by believing in some limiting factors. As for the real/not real and what others might think, I just do everything logically? My tulpas are personas I've created in my mind and developed into autonomous self-acting beings. There is no room for right or wrong, it simply is what it is. As for the morality, that's more complicated and personal, but the phenomenon itself is completely solid to me.

 

Of course, not everyone has that luxury. I scrutinize every one of my beliefs to make sure it makes logical sense before I commit to believing it, and I'm pretty scientific in my research, so real/not real has never been a problem for me.. after the first couple years anyway. I'm sorry I can't say anything more helpful, but to me this is just a problem everyone has that I feel like I have the answer to yet can't convey. It just makes sense.

 

I wonder who Mistgod-Melian will be after a year of interacting on Tulpa Info? :-)

 

I have been wondering if the lounge is the right place for public musings? Or should these be in my PR report or some other place? The PR reports seem to be geared toward just that, a progress report on the tulpas creation and improvement. There is not a "personal blog" or "personal journal" space for me to write about how Melian and I did art at a powwow together and Melian dressed in Native regalia for the day with feathers in her hair. I would love something like that. She would get to write it, and how much she loves herself, but it would spare some others the daily Melian activities update.

 

I considered letting Melian start a thread in the lounge called Melian's Activities and I Love Me Journal. But I am worried people are going to want to stone her to death for it. She will update it a LOT, like a personal tulpa blog space. I know there are some people who enjoy the humor, and others who absolutely cannot abide it. Those who don't like it don't have to read it. It would be confined to one thread. I could add my musings to it too and then they would be "contained" and easily avoided by those who find Melian disdainful. I don't mean that in a resentful way. I am wanting to participate in my own way but in the least disruptive manner.

[Guest Anonymous]

I decided to move my tulpa food thingy here to my PR journal thingy. David is going to put most of his future Melian related musings here too. To keep it more "contained" as he and I plan to write a lot. At least it will be all in one thread and not spread out sort of spamming the lounge and stuff. One thread that those who want to read it can and those who want to avoid can. Anyways lovies! ~Melian

 

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Some people have heard me talk about "tulpa food" and wondered what I meant by that. In the Melian Show day dreams I do with Davie (my wonderland) I have a magic feast hall where there is a huge table always full of a variety of delicious food. I have these huge meals there. I eat fast and I take impossibly huge bites like a cartoon character. I can eat all I want and never get fat! I can eat all the things that Davie can't eat when he is on a diet, which is a lot of the time. When he does get a day off from his diet, I am there to encourage him to enjoy just eating. He really is a food addict and glutton at heart!

 

One of my favorite foods to eat in the dreamscape Melian Show is Spicy Peanut Butter Pizza with chocolate syrup on it! Davie and I share this. He can get it at only one restaurant and only gets it about once every few years. It is like eating a peanut butter cup pizza!

 

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I was wondering how many of you share special imaginary tulpa food with your tulpa or just enjoy eating together? ~Melian

 

PSEUDO-REAL

For many months I tried to describe to people what it is like to have a semi-autonomous, semi-independent personality in my mind. I came up with the term pseudo-real.

 

To me something pseudo-real is some figment of the mind that is not tangibly real, but still effects you psychologically and emotionally in a very significant way. This could include delusions or hallucinations such as PTSD flash backs or psychosomatic illnesses that are pathology, but good examples of how powerful such visions can be. But I think pseudo-real may also include positive mental constructs that are emotionally vital and very significant to the creator, such as a dear and cherished imaginary friend. Think of Wilson from the movie "Castaway." He was emotionally vital to the character played by the actor Tom Hanks and therefore pseudo-real.

 

When someone says my Melian is not real, I say, "I know, she isn't real, she is imaginary but pseudo-real to me."

 

Melian is an imaginary construct. She can never be totally, manifestly real. In my opinion, her sentience and semi-independence is an illusion. She is very important to me and significant. I love her with all of my heart. She is constantly present. But she is not real. She is really just me. ~Mistgod

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[sushi]

I considered letting Melian start a thread in the lounge called Melian's Activities and I Love Me Journal. But I am worried people are going to want to stone her to death for it. She will update it a LOT, like a personal tulpa blog space. I know there are some people who enjoy the humor, and others who absolutely cannot abide it. Those who don't like it don't have to read it. It would be confined to one thread. I could add my musings to it too and then they would be "contained" and easily avoided by those who find Melian disdainful. I don't mean that in a resentful way. I am wanting to participate in my own way but in the least disruptive manner.

 

I've been thinking the same thing, actually. My PR isn't really progress, so I was thinking I should move it to the lounge, but I'd like to rewrite it a bit first.

 

As to other forum members stoning Melian for it, I think they'll actually appreciate it. I know when I look over the new posts, I skip most of the forum games. I imagine if all the Melian posts were in the same place, it would make it easier for people who aren't interested to skip them too.

[Guest Anonymous]

 

I've been thinking the same thing, actually. My PR isn't really progress, so I was thinking I should move it to the lounge, but I'd like to rewrite it a bit first.

 

As to other forum members stoning Melian for it, I think they'll actually appreciate it. I know when I look over the new posts, I skip most of the forum games. I imagine if all the Melian posts were in the same place, it would make it easier for people who aren't interested to skip them too.

 

Melian and I have been working on lucid dreaming together. I could put the results of those efforts in the PR journal and keep a running "blog" in the forum of Melian happy campy crap and my musings that only a few brave souls will want read. LOL I would be happy to do that for the sake of peoples sanity in the forum. :-) ~Mistgod