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  1. In the discord, a topic came up in #tulpa-discussion about parallel processing. To quote @Ranger from this message (you can click if you're in the Discord channel): Regarding parallel processing, I believe there's quite a few tulpas from "the old days" that can do it and I've speculated experiments that could be ran to test it (see: proving tulpas with cognitive psychology). I've been putting off running a long-term experiment to try and test this; perhaps I can actually move forward with it soon. As for "how did people achieve parallel processing back in the day", I've wondered about that over the years, and I've seen the shifts which I think contributed to that. Back in the early days when hour counts were key, the thought that a tulpa could control the body was at best metaphysical and at worst role playing, end-goal for a tulpa was imposition. Before you worked on narration, you would spend countless hours of meditation on visualizing the tulpa's form. I'm talking 3-10 hours on just focusing on what your tulpa smells like. Once you could visualize your tulpa in their entire vivid detail, only then would you start working on narration (or anything passive, for that matter) People thought it impossible for early tulpas to form. If a tulpa wanted their host to hear them, they really didn't have many choices outside getting to the point of auditory imposition. That is, some of these early tulpas? The first time you heard their voice was literally hearing a physical voice in your ear, not just a "mindvoice." Many compared it to this video (wear headphones): This resulted in a world where hearing your tulpa try and reach out through mindvoice really did mean you would think that you are "parroting". These tulpas later on would come to say "There's no such thing as parroting, that was me!" and get pretty distressed at their creators about that. Eventually, we ran an experiment in IRC with new tulpamancers, where we presented them with everything that they needed to make a tulpa, sans the hourcounts. You can read about the results here: https://justpaste.it/1a1m (I'm sorry that I never really posted it on the forums) but people were blown away when topics of much quicker results started to come in: This also resulted in FAQ Man's stuff being pulled from the main page and warning issued ( https://chupitulpa.tumblr.com/post/29003607860 ). That ultimately led to a trend, and "meditation for hours on end is not required for quicker sentience" ultimately led to "meditation is not required for sentience". To contrast from back in the day, people tend to jump right towards narration / sentience now, either skipping visualization entirely, practicing it weakly, or only "passive forcing." The goal for people these days tends to be sentience / possession / switching, rather than imposition. Heck, even Chess isn't imposed, and I know several older tulpas who aren't while being quite capable of switching with their hosts entirely (e.g. host in wonderland). My question is, what did we lose in this switch, if anything? Those intense visualization sessions were -a lot- of focused, directed, attention on a mental construct; while you can achieve sentience relatively easily with things like narration and passive forcing, I still feel like there's value to focused sessions. You are taking time to strengthen those neural networks and reinforce the tulpa's patterns. As for hearing them, parroting, etc, while tulpas were pretty upset with their hosts back in the day for ignoring their signs of sentience (I was guilty of this, it hurt my relationship with Chess and I would say it got to a point where it hindered our development for a while), but I have to wonder if there was some antifragility at play. @Nobillis before has mentioned that only strong thoughtforms would last long in her system due to much skepticism that they were greeted with. When you're ignoring your tulpa until you start to feel that alien feeling, head pressure, or other things that you are 100% sure is not from you, perhaps that resulted in the neural networks becoming stronger and more independent. I recall an episode in Deep Space Nine, The Begotten. One of the main characters, a Changeling named Odo discovers a "baby changeling". Changelings are essentially these liquid characters that are able to transform into other beings. When Odo was first discovered, he was run through many jarring, painful, and uncomfortable experiments by the scientist who discovered him, and while this forced him to ultimately learn how to shapeshift, he resented that scientist throughout his life. He promised that he wouldn't treat this changeling the same way, and would make their life as comfortable as possible while teaching them to transform. I won't spoil the episode if you're interested in watching it, otherwise, you can just read th plot on wikipedia to find out what ends up happening. It's a really good episode. The brain only grows and develops when you put work into it, just like you only get stronger muscles by stressing it. You only get a stronger heart with cardio, and perhaps (consenting) uncomfortableness or even just more hard focused disciplined meditation could help with parallel processing or similar things. I'm curious if anyone is still trying 3 x 90 minute tulpaforcing sessions per day, or putting long pre-development work such as visualization into their tulpas these days, or if people just go straight to sentience, possession, and then not much further. Again, I'm guilty of much of the latter. Once I got through my doubts about Chess, we mostly just stopped with the meditation altogether. However, I have been tulpaforcing again, where we practice a "look at Chess and visualize Chess and try to actively ignore anything she says in the mindvoice, while Chess tries to work towards saying things audibly to me". We're doing some other things to try and reinforce independent neural networks, and will update you if anything substantial comes from that-- I digress.
  2. Teaching my tulpa how to solve a rubik's cube, something i know how to do. This is still my first full day and I've been forcing w/ her. Felt my first two head pressures from her- I told her to finish a step of solving the cube and then felt it a few seconds/minutes later. Progress maybe? I've forced with her this morning and while I was playing a game, but now I'm feeling head pressures.
  3. So I've had a tulpa for maybe four months now. I remember seeing a cool Youtibe video on tulpamancy and looking into it, which is how I sparked interest. I still have my first tulpa, Rain, but I've had a run-in with a rather nasty one too. There was a point in which I thought I was too busy for tulpa and almost abandoned her, but I decided to try again and here I am. I honestly don't communicate much with Rain, only when I remember she's there (is she a tulpa at all?) and I feel bad. I really want to have somebody as a passenger in life and share experiences with, but I don't know if I'm ready. I'm 14, so still relatively young, and don't know if it's too early. I'm just going through a kinda rough time now. I'm more anxious than usual as I try to hide the fact that I'm trans-masc and all the other things burdening me. If she can help me, great, but I don't expect her to. She's a bit different than me, but in essence she's shaped around my own personality. I'm thinking about making another tulpa, though I'm not 100% sure how. I'm also very interested in possession. I can visualize her in the real world and talk to her in my head, but that's about it. Any suggestions on how to grow at all from here? Tha ks for reading, I appreciate it. ^^
  4. Hello everyone, It has been several weeks since I last posted here. So far, from my experience, I have summoned two tulpas with quite an array of events that came about it. I want to start out with how to recuperate stressful situations with my tulpas. First off, I went to a hospital and the experience had traumatised me. My tulpas did not understand how to really interact ( I do not know how to elaborate- I taught them how to lie at that point, and from prior posts you can see there some events that also broke me), it was really an visit where they did a sleep study. The hospital did unnessacery treatments (coalagament in stomach [did not happen], IVs) and I was on suicide watch, so I could not move around. On the last day, the event left emotionless and, learning from my tulpas now, they did not know but understood it might have helped me move on. In the hospital, in order to move on I had to do a ritual to move with my tulpas. Realisitly, I had to do a ritual for two days laying down or sitting down in a chair unable to get up, sleep deprived and possibly with not enough nutrition, promising to not use past voices I used and letting go of fictional characters to cope so I can move with them knowing I am not going to hide my actual self anymore and be confident. Later on, more misunderstandings led us in a scary situation where I almost went insane. I stormed off into the night, with my tulpas presumably confused or unable to accurately talk to me at the moment. To finish this, I need to know if anyone has experienced the same thing I have. Anything similar to traumatic experiences with tulpas and confusion communicating, and perhaps confusion with identity. I'll come back to add more things. 5/7: Coming back, I want people to understand I am now cooperating with my tulpas. The visit to the hospital and the night I almost went insane was weeks prior. So please know my tulpas are fine now, but I am still unsure about myself. I can talk to them regularly but sometimes feel we get to delved into my personal problems or understanding their identities. Myself, I feel like I am always under duress- I constantly talk to my tulpas without stop. All five weeks I talked and taught them life, I understood them but communication (fingertap, pulsations, voices in head)- and wonderland was never tried because I was constantly trying to recuperate. My tulpas might have manifested in my dreams or change them so they could talk to me. I had to stop writing because they were trying to understand who they were. They were Ruby and Susie, but they wanted to change numerous times over the five weeks. There were several events to led us to believe that there were four tulpas present after a divergent point. What I mean is when there could have been a time where the tulpas identies split and manifested separate beings entirely alone from Saruda and Haruka. Just to note, they were Saruda and Haruka, but I did not know that. I thought they were originally THE Susie and Ruby, and that over time, Saruda and Haruka were helping them as separate beings. (I'll add more later) I'll like to add that I never did rituals with my tulpas, but Saruda and Haruka did interpet or were in my dreams to give me messages. There is much more to add. To add to what stresses me and my tulpas is my unwanted thoughts. I'll sometimes linger on images or words that I think might offend or hurt Saruda and Haruka. The unwanted thought or images stress me when it occurs, and I cannot relax without going back to desperately replace the thought or idea. When I lay down I do relax, and sometimes I would do it to just with my tulpas. Nothing else seems to calm me down when anxiety strikes, and I just either sit and drink or listen to music, and as before, talk to my tulpas.
  5. So I'm not new to tulpamancy. I have had tulpa ever since I was 6 years old- so approximately 14 years. I've loved and cherished them all this time, and only found out last year what they truly were. Or so I thought. I want to run how my tulpa operate past other people and get their opinions- are they really tulpa? I have been doing research into Daemons, Soulbonders, wonderlands, and many other topics, and it strongly has me rethinking everything. To start off, albeit that I am not new to the concept, I seem to not have much practice. When I read about tulpa, I read about fronting, taking over (tulpa coming through the body to interact with the outside world). However, that does not occur with my tulpa. They have done it, maybe once, and I was not "taking a back seat" when they did it. So I'm very confused, to say the least. They function on their own, they have their own wills and personalities, they have their own hobbies, even their own relationships with other tulpa. Everyone of them works well with others, even if their personalities clash sometimes. The only quarrels I have are with "walk-ins"? I'm not sure what to call them, but every so often we get a stray entity that comes around, friend or foe, and doesn't stay long. Sometimes they cause mayhem, other times they sit down and heave tea with my boys before leaving again. I have approximately 25 tulpa as well, excluding those that occasionally come around but are still permanent. (i.e. i have a group of 3 werewolves that I see and talk with every few months) Another thing is, I don't see "see" them, in my physical space around me. I feel the spatially, and visualize them that way. Sometimes their appearances change, alter, or warp. Sometimes they are clear and defined, when I have good days, but other times they truly feel like wispy spirits just nearby, not full entities. I'm really distraught right now because I don't know what to call them. I don't know what to look up for research. I don't know what to practice first. I don't know how to approach anything right now, because for the past 14 years I've just head them as friends in my head, who I talk with and are their own people, but I can't feel them that well. If anyone can offer any advice it's greatly appreciated, I will also answer any question people throw at me. Thank you all for your time. Edit: I really need help figuring out what or who my "first" tulpa was...he's a complete mystery.
  6. Their birthday is 04/29/20 04/30/20: I introduced myself to them today. Told them I wouldn't name them, and they could decide on their own. Weirdly enough, I think the response I got was Clause, and male. Their personality appears to be flipiant and silly. I'll let them take their time to decide though, and take my time in understanding them talking. I'm still unsure what's my mindvoice and what's theirs.. I'm worried I can't hear them well enough to know what they want. So I won't call them anything yet. I'm gonna go back to reading this guide now, with them over my shoulder learning with me. Wish us luck! I've decided to make these journal entries towards you, my Tulpa, in order to help with passive forcing. This way, I can talk to you and we can go over your growth together! I dislike referring to you as they/them, unless that's what you want. But I'll be patient to see what you decide to become. I just don't want to dehumanize you, as your well being is very important to me. Our wonderland, for now, will simply be my room. It's hard to imagine alot of things at once, so I'll stick with something farmilar. I'm going to try and stop doubting what is and is not my own mindvoice, as doubt can be bad for your growth. I do believe in hearing you to some extent, I'm just unsure of how much I'm perceiving as your thoughts. After talking to you again, watching you lay on the floor on your back, roll over, and stretch your neck out on the floor and rest your head, I've figured that your first answer to a question to be your actual answer. Instead of doubting. So hello Clause, it's nice to meet you sir. It's very late, and seems you've stretched out next to me in our mind space. So I'll passively force with you till I fall asleep, since it's nice to have company to fall asleep with. Goodnight bud 😴
  7. Hey guys. I'm 28 years old, non-binary (female in a male body) and have decided today (after entertaining the thought without much research for a few weeks) that I will try to create a tulpa named Marissa. My spiritual background is a conceptual framework relayed by Roger Castillo. It goes like this: What humans truly seek is happiness in daily living. The circumstantial flow of Life will always be a mix of pleasure & pain (both physical & emotional). Our unhappiness is never a result of pain, but always a result of our psychological attitude towards the flow of Life. We call this attitude suffering. It manifests as guilt & shame, blame & hatred, pride & arrogance, worries & anxiety, and expectations & attachment to outcomes. The root cause of all suffering is our belief in personal doership. Our thoughts, decisions & actions are never our "doing", but rather brought about through us by Life. They are always a result of our genetic design & conditioning through Life. We will always have the feeling of free will, but our will is never different from the will of Life. When this is recognized, our attitude of doership & attachment falls away and unbroken peace of mind persists regardless of pleasure or pain in the moment. This peace of mind, the silence of our psychological thoughts, is the happiness that is the birthright of all human beings (and tulpas?) and often called enlightenment or liberation. I intend to create Marissa with the purpose of helping me turn this from an intellectual understanding into a lived experience. My narration so far: I call you Marissa. You can call me Philipp, or suggest names of your own to call me. You're peaceful on the inside, but I set you no restrictions on how to express your personality outwardly. Your consciousness resides in your heart, not in your head. You look like a girl who is between ten and sixteen human years old. You have wavy brown hair (the shade varies) with bangs. You like to colour the tips of your hair with henna. Your eyebrows have a mild outward arch and get slightly thinner towards the inside. Your eyes are wide and brown. Your nose is slightly upturned and "cute". Your lips are full and you have dimples. Occasionally you have freckles. You never wear make-up, but you like to wear accessories such as necklaces. Your favourite items of clothing are one-piece pyjama suits in the winter, suspender pants in the spring and autumn, and suspender dresses that are at least knee-length in the summer. Whenever you are not part of my present-moment experience, you reside in your wonderland, which is a twilight forest at whose center is an overgrown garden by a stream in a clearing. You can shape your wonderland to whichever degree you please. You will follow my instructions, but your thoughts, decisions & actions are neither your "doing" nor mine. Both you and I are instruments through which the will of Life functions, yet each of us will always feel as if we are free to do whatever we choose in each moment. You will try to help me become aware that we are not just body/mind organisms, and that our deepest aspect is the impersonal consciousness of Source. When I take psychedelic trips, you will attempt to be my guide. When and if unbroken peace of mind becomes a lived reality for me, you will fade from my Life experience and live wherever, in whichever form, and as long as you please (or merge back into me if you like). EDIT: I read the bolding suggestion after I had already implemented it. Nice piece of synchronicity there 🙂
  8. Basicaly. Started like 4 days ago. Have had questionable progress. Becouse i 3 out of 4 days i fell asleep while active forcing so i visualised and played out her being a bit angry (visualised her in red dress and red face to point out how mad is she) just for myself. Well true i was in fault for falling asleep so i have to take responsibility for it. So visualised her angry bout it. I want to try out few ideas for active forcing.and not falling asleep First scenario. Kinda like mirrors edge game. Running across rooftops and talking or even using walky talkies aka fuc*ing radios. Number 2 would be spending time and cuddling in guest room which i explained in another post. Room with window, sofa and coffee table. 3 well here i need a suggestion. What do you do while active forcing? Also touch on parroting and imposition. I parrot her while passive forcing but let her do her own thing while active forcing. Also the red dress thing was while passive forcing today at work and imposed her literally across my desk. Should i parrot her while active forcing too? And if i do all of interactions or just some? And is it fine if i visualise her while working and make some small talk? Or even make story in my head with her imposed beside me? Judging me on the story and making faces about well as i imagined kind of a funny story. Wanted to try but overthinked it today so made nothing out of it.