Fast progress

[Bobtheguymandude]

Hey, everyone. I'm really new here, and to tulpamancy, and I'll take any advice that you guys can throw at me. 

 

I started making my tulpa about 2 days ago, and I'm seeing fast progress. My whole life, pretty much, Iv'e kind of talked to myself in my head. A lot. I think to an extreme degree about things, and when I heard about tuplas last week, I was blown away by what people were saying. Another person, who is fully sentient, can talk to you, can be there for you whenever, sounded amazing to me. I thought about making one for a bit, really thought about why I wanted one, and if I was ready for a life-long commitment to this person that I'm creating. After about 3-4 days of constant thinking, I decided that I would love to have one.

 

I started out by reading guides, quite a few, and I also lurked around here for a bit, reading on pretty much whatever people were saying about their tulpas. It really motivated me. I started out by thinking of a name, (Riley, also a she, by the way. I consider Riley to be a unisex name) and decided to try and think of a form, while I was at it. I couldn't really decide, so I started out with just visualizing a ball of energy, blue in color, and it faded to white as it got to the center. We would let Riley decide on a form when she was ready. I didn't do personality, I just wanted her to develop her own. So, I started by taking to this ball of energy, addressing her by name. I just kind of talked to her for as long as I could in my first session, about anything. I could only go about 10 minutes or so before we stopped. I heard of people saying that making a wonderland helped a lot with visualization. So, I did. It started out as a little room, with nothing in it really. I pictured a red couch, and a basic metal chair. The walls are white, and the ground is just plain old carpet, whitish grey in color. And in the center of the room, was a podium of a sort, with Riley, the blue ball of energy hovering over it. That helped a ton. I could actually feel like I was talking to someone.

 

Now, the fast progress part that I'm talking about is when I was asking Riley if she was there, I felt a weird tingling sensation deep in my chest. It was really odd. At first, I thought it was nothing, until I asked her again if she could hear me. And again, right after I asked that, the tingling sensation came back. I don't know how to describe it, but I just knew that it was her, even though I had literally been forcing for a total of about 20 minutes. Is it possible to have progress that fast? Can tulpas communicate that way? Then, the next day, I sat down to do another active forcing session, and when I started talking to her, (again, she's still a ball of energy) and I could actually see her transform into a human shape, of a girl, and she sat on the podium, with her legs hanging off the edge. I was pretty shocked. I could see what she was wearing, ( Red converse shoes with white laces, dark blue skinny-ish blue jeans, a plain white t-shirt, with a brown jacket on, but it was open so that I can see the shirt. And I couldn't really make out her face, but I noticed that her hair was dark brown, and it went down to a little past her shoulders.) After this happened, I ended up turning the podium into a coffee table to put in front of the couch.

 

Holy shit. I could barely believe it. I didn't do any of that myself, I swear up and down. Again, Is progress that fast a normal thing? I have seriously spent maybe a total of about 30 minutes to an hour of forcing at this point. I have no idea if any of this is because Iv'e always internalized things and have been able to visualize things in my head since I was little, or what.

 

It's been a day since that happened, and I'm still forcing when I get a good chance, and I can see that she can walk on her own, and I've been inspecting her really close. I run my hands over her entire body, with and without clothes, (she doesn't seem to mind at all) and I'll hug her and hold her hands, and just concentrate like that for a bit, and I feel like that's helping a lot with visualization. I can see now that she has sky blue eyes, red lips, and freckles going across her nose. However, it's still really, really hard to focus on her face when I'm talking with her. I'm just slightly unsure if she's been talking, though. Ill ask her simple questions, like if she's alright, if she likes something that Iv'e been, doing, ect. And I kind of feel like I'm getting some yes answers back. I don't really feel like I'm parroting. In fact, for some reason, I just feel like I'm unable to do it. I can't really imagine putting words into her mouth. It's just something that I actually can't do. I've tried a couple times, and I just for some reason can't.

 

This is truly incredible. I have never, ever felt something like this before. I apologize for such a long post, but I just wanted to share all of this with someone, and I don't think that telling my family or friends about all this would be a good idea. (They'd probably think I'm crazy or something.) For everyone that reads this, I appreciate it.

[Guest Anonymous]

I don't think you are crazy.  

 

The kind of extremely rapid progress you are describing is very unusual.  My host has a very vivid imagination and so what I am going to say to you is based upon personal experience.  An overactive imagination can mimic many of the effects of tulpamancy.  So it can seem like very early results from forcing.  There is nothing wrong with that of course.  In fact, I imagine it certainly will make forcing a tulpa a lot more interesting for you!  

 

I would suspect that the tingling sensation may be a psychosomatic effect and a result of mental suggestion.  I only say that because it all happened so fast.  That doesn't mean you can't regard it as being associated with your tulpa if that is what you feel you want.  Early on in the process, from what I have read, tulpas are created by visualizing and willingness to believe in them.  

 

My hostie and I tend to be a little more pragmatic and skeptical than average.  Others may be more optimistic that you are experiencing early "signs of sentience" or whatever.  Anyways, welcome to Tulpa Info and have fun!

 

NOTE:  When I state an opinion on this, I sound like I am speaking with "authority" only because I have spent almost a year and a half on Tulpa Info reading and interacting with tulpamancers and tulpas.  My host and I have our own opinions on how tulpas function (mostly).  However, there is a consensus of opinion that I reference when answering these questions.  I go with the consensus of opinion and what I think most tulpamancers would most likely tell you.

[Bobtheguymandude]

I don't think you are crazy.  

 

The kind of extremely rapid progress you are describing is very unusual.  My host has a very vivid imagination and so what I am going to say to you is based upon personal experience.  An overactive imagination can mimic many of the effects of tulpamancy.  So it can seem like very early results from forcing.  There is nothing wrong with that of course.  In fact, I imagine it certainly will make forcing a tulpa a lot more interesting for you!  

 

I would suspect that the tingling sensation may be a psychosomatic effect and a result of mental suggestion.  I only say that because it all happened so fast.  That doesn't mean you can't regard it as being associated with your tulpa if that is what you feel you want.  Early on in the process, from what I have read, tulpas are created by visualizing and willingness to believe in them.  

 

My hostie and I tend to be a little more pragmatic and skeptical than average.  Others may be more optimistic that you are experiencing early "signs of sentience" or whatever.  Anyways, welcome to Tulpa Info and have fun!

 

NOTE:  When I state an opinion on this, I sound like I am speaking with "authority" only because I have spent almost a year and a half on Tulpa Info reading and interacting with tulpamancers and tulpas.  My host and I have our own opinions on how tulpas function (mostly).  However, there is a consensus of opinion that I reference when answering these questions.  I go with the consensus of opinion and what I think most tulpamancers would most likely tell you.

 

Thanks for the reply! So, what should I regard to as it being my imagination, or what is Riley? I'm slightly confused there. When I saw Riley change into a human form, she already had an outfit on and everything. I don't think that was me consciously, because I couldn't even decide on a form in the first place for her. Is that a sign that this could be her? Or could that be my imagination fucking with me?

[Guest Anonymous]

I don't think anyone can tell you for sure what is simply imagination and what is a "sentient tulpa."  It's kinda up to you to decide that.  However, the commonly accepted indicator of a tulpa is apparently independent and autonomous actions that are persistent over a long period of time.

[Vos]

Is progress that fast a normal thing?

 

I think that it's still pretty uncommon to see people with progress as fast as that, but everyone progresses at their own rate, so it likely doesn't matter if it's unusual or not. The people who usually report these kinds of things are the ones who have active imaginations or already create characters, so that might have to do something with your case. While I can't tell you what is/isn't coming from your tulpa, I do think that it'd be better for you to just go along with whatever changes and responses you see, treating her as sentient; while it doesn't mean that they are and that any of these responses are real, it'd likely be beneficial to not outright deny any potential responses.

[tulpa001]

Everyone is going to go into this with different foundational skills. A tulpa is essentially a very advanced mental jutsu that requires many skills to pull off. If you don't have those skills, you will need to develop them while forcing. If you do, the only thing you need is the right mindset. If you are incredibly lucky to already have all the skills and the right mindset, I think it could happen very fast. Although, this is the fastest I have heard yet.

 

But I might consider the possibility that you already have a thoughtform of some type, and you are upgrading it to tulpa. Although it doesn't sound like that from your description.

[Bobtheguymandude]

Thanks for the replies, it helps when I can get some other views on this. I have another question, is there anything I can do to help improve focus? It's still kind of hard to talk to her, my mind tends to go a little crazy when I force. My forcing sessions are only about 20 or so minutes, because that's all I can really manage at a time, but, I do about 3 sessions a day. Also, focusing on her face is really hard still, especially her eyes.

 

Again, thanks for replying. I appreciate it.

[Vos]

Thanks for the replies, it helps when I can get some other views on this. I have another question, is there anything I can do to help improve focus? It's still kind of hard to talk to her, my mind tends to go a little crazy when I force. My forcing sessions are only about 20 or so minutes, because that's all I can really manage at a time, but, I do about 3 sessions a day. Also, focusing on her face is really hard still, especially her eyes.

 

Again, thanks for replying. I appreciate it.

 

Visualizing faces can be pretty difficult. I'd recommend breaking the face down into parts, visualizing different areas until you're confident that you have the finer details down, and then bringing everything together so that you have a clear, whole image. There's a focus & concentration section on this page if you're looking for exercises, so feel free to experiment with them as much as you'd like.

[Bobtheguymandude]

 

Visualizing faces can be pretty difficult. I'd recommend breaking the face down into parts, visualizing different areas until you're confident that you have the finer details down, and then bringing everything together so that you have a clear, whole image. There's a focus & concentration section on this page if you're looking for exercises, so feel free to experiment with them as much as you'd like.

 

Ill check them out. Thanks for the advice!

[Linkzelda]

Not sure if this is relevant since the OP seems to be satisfied:

 

I think what makes others contemplate if progress seems fast, or not is how much they’re willing to adapt to the narratives they use to help them develop their tulpas in some way. Some narratives over their potential existence in one’s subjective frame can be seen as parroting and pupetting, and others seem to be more of wishful thinking in what they would like to see their tulpas in.

 

The more the person acknowledges that these narratives are a supplement towards whatever goal they have in mind, what I think contributes to the impression of fast progress is merely the person coming to terms that reaching the goal of treating a tulpa as sentient is progressive rather than an end-game. Because if there was an end-game, the person would end up being insatiable with the results, but, conceptualizing the ‘treating as sentient’ philosophy as a progressive thing for betterment vs. perfection, they realize they don’t have to climb this unfathomable barrier that could break them down.

 

In other words, progress seems to be made quickly, or suddenly to a person, when they acknowledge those small nuances of apparent sentience, or emulation of a tulpa-being-sentient-in-the-works. It doesn’t seem to become a matter of it being quick progress, or slow progress, but rather being a quick learner that these investigations of presumed sentience within a subjective frame of the mind in general is a pursuit of betterment. This adaptability is probably what causes one’s mind to work out tough dilemmas, and find solutions, as an adaptive unconscious is what we have; it’s just that it’s actual approach in doing this progressively for a certain goal gets blocked in some way when the person gets distracted in other things that stagnates that adaptability.

 

Naturally, we can't be doing this 24/7 as we have things to do on a day-to-day basis, but over time, reconciling with that mode of adaptability every now and then is probably what fuels progress because it's manageable.